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15:57:43 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:57:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:57:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:57:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
15:57:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:57:48 <trackbot> Date: 16 January 2013
15:57:56 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
15:58:02 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:58:13 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jan/0035.html
15:58:18 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:58:24 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:58:27 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aaaa
15:58:35 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:58:41 <David> Zakim, +44 is me
15:58:41 <Zakim> +David; got it
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:58:51 <David> zakim, mute me
15:58:51 <Zakim> David should now be muted
15:59:01 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
15:59:12 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:59:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], David (muted)
15:59:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, David, koji, r12a, trackbot
16:00:44 <matial> matial has joined #i18n
16:01:01 <Zakim> +aphillip
16:01:37 <Zakim> +??P15
16:01:49 <matial> zakim, ??p15 is me
16:01:50 <Zakim> +matial; got it
16:02:24 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:02:24 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:02:25 <Zakim> +Richard
16:03:13 <ET> ET has joined #i18n
16:03:27 <aphillip> zakim, [Microsoft] is ET
16:03:27 <Zakim> +ET; got it
16:05:02 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda and Minutes
16:05:15 <Zakim> +Norbert
16:05:17 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:05:38 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:05:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see ET, David (muted), aphillip, matial (muted), Richard, Norbert
16:05:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see ET, matial, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, David, koji, r12a, trackbot
16:05:45 <Norbert> Norbert has joined #i18n
16:07:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:07:23 <koji> zakim, [ipcaller] is me
16:07:23 <Zakim> +koji; got it
16:07:56 <aphillip> close ACTION-167
16:07:56 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-167 Review john daggett/david baron's case tests and suggest any changes/additions needed.
16:08:02 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
16:08:53 <aphillip> close ACTION-171
16:08:53 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-171 forward comments on case sensitivity to CSS.
16:09:58 <David> I saw the CSS case (in)sensitivity discussions, but had little to add.
16:10:16 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:10:19 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:10:55 <r12a> zakim, +[Mic is Jan Nelson
16:10:55 <Zakim> I don't understand '+[Mic is Jan Nelson', r12a
16:11:03 <r12a> zakim, [Mic is Jan Nelson
16:11:04 <Zakim> I don't understand '[Mic is Jan Nelson', r12a
16:11:08 <aphillip> zakim, [Microsoft] is Jan Nelson
16:11:08 <Zakim> I don't understand '[Microsoft] is Jan Nelson', aphillip
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16:11:19 <r12a> zakim, [Mic is JanNelson
16:11:21 <Zakim> +JanNelson; got it
16:11:56 <aphillip> chair: welcomes two new members
16:13:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:13:53 <aphillip> richard: MLW workshop in rome in march
16:14:03 <aphillip> ... you should register soon, as seats are filling
16:14:28 <r12a> http://www.multilingualweb.eu/rome
16:14:39 <aphillip> Topic: What Time Is This Meeting At?
16:14:52 <aphillip> >      There's a zakim crush at 16:00 due to large telecons starting up. If we want >      to spill over, even a little, past the hour allocated, we may need to move the >      start of the telecon forward, since we will be unpopular if we go past the top >      of the hour.
16:16:24 <David> Zakim, unmute me
16:16:24 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
16:17:41 <Zakim> -David
16:18:17 <Norbert> http://www.doodle.com/848xxp36vvhtd32f#table
16:19:40 <David> David has joined #i18n
16:20:03 <aphillip> propose thursdays
16:20:20 <Zakim> +David
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16:21:27 <Zakim> +??P38
16:21:30 <aphillip> Topic: Pending Reviews
16:21:39 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
16:22:00 <r12a> zakim, who's noisy?
16:22:12 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: aphillip (49%), David (5%)
16:22:24 <David> zakim, mute me
16:22:24 <Zakim> David should now be muted
16:23:18 <aphillip> Topic: ITS v2 review
16:23:26 <aphillip> http://tinyurl.com/its20-comments-handling
16:23:55 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/35
16:25:52 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013JanMar/0065.html
16:26:21 <r12a> q+
16:27:00 <aphillip> Norbert: translate attribute
16:27:19 <aphillip> ... didn't see anything about other items that need localization
16:27:35 <aphillip> ... e.g. a color or an image that need localizatoin but aren't *translated*
16:27:50 <aphillip> ... is there an attribute that allows to make localizable?
16:28:07 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#LocaleFilter
16:28:14 <aphillip> felix: there is a locale filter that could select items for localization
16:29:47 <aphillip> norbert: need a way to markup and manage items that need to be localized, but not for translators to make different words
16:31:05 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#externalresource
16:31:06 <aphillip> felix: would be useful to have examples
16:32:13 <aphillip> Norbert: bidi
16:32:20 <aphillip> ... active discussion about isolates
16:32:27 <aphillip> ... and ITS has directionality
16:33:37 <aphillip> Norbert: depend on HTML5?
16:33:54 <fsasaki> http://tinyurl.com/its20-testsuite-dashboard
16:34:07 <aphillip> felix: on direction, our test suite dashboard
16:34:10 <aphillip> ... lists what's been done
16:34:17 <aphillip> ... first table has row for dir
16:34:32 <aphillip> ... ENLASO and U.Limerick working on it
16:34:56 <aphillip> .. don't render, but do pass
16:36:06 <aphillip> felix: worry about ruby
16:36:14 <aphillip> ... no implementations working on
16:39:39 <aphillip> r12a: concern why direction section is non-normative, should it just be in BP doc?
16:40:16 <aphillip> r12a: ruby continues to change in HTML5
16:40:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:41:33 <aphillip> r12a: understood that those sections there
16:41:38 <aphillip> ... possible to edit before release
16:41:51 <aphillip> ... to reflect latest thinking
16:41:58 <aphillip> ... can change because non-normative
16:42:12 <aphillip> ... v1 of ITS did implement
16:44:26 <aphillip> norbert: what's in ITS 2 doesn't match ITS 1 or what will be in HTML5
16:45:38 <aphillip> ... needs extension spec?
16:47:10 <aphillip> direction: keep, note that developments are coming
16:47:21 <aphillip> ruby: take out as unimplemented
16:47:57 <aphillip> needs to be normative if present
16:48:15 <aphillip> s/needs to/direction needs to/
16:48:17 <aphillip> ack r12a
16:48:32 <aphillip> r12a: largest issue
16:48:45 <aphillip> ... discussion "what about dfn and <term>"?
16:49:07 <aphillip> ... stuff about relationship of ITS to HTML5 goes to BP doc?
16:49:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:50:29 <aphillip> r12a: unclear on objectives viz HTML5
16:50:47 <aphillip> ... move unclear stuff to BP document was my understanding
16:51:10 <aphillip> ... but document objectives suggest that ITS would document how ITS relates to HTML5
16:51:44 <aphillip> felix: aim is to show how ITS native metadata in HTML5
16:51:56 <aphillip> ... some exceptions
16:52:08 <aphillip> ... @translate attribute maps directly to/from HTML5
16:52:11 <aphillip> ... also @lang
16:52:28 <aphillip> ... those exceptions have clear mapping
16:53:08 <aphillip> felix: point about stuff like dfn or term
16:53:20 <aphillip> ... HTML can use for different purposes than ITS uses for
16:53:40 <aphillip> ... HTML <dt> was focued on
16:53:42 <Zakim> -David
16:53:59 <aphillip> ... not a straight-forward mapping
16:54:20 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-i18n-bp/#relating-its-plus-xhtml
16:54:57 <aphillip> felix: hard to justify hardcoding a rule such as the dt rule
16:55:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:55:46 <aphillip> Norbert: should be note on "similar" elements to describe potential mappings
16:58:21 <aphillip> r12a: needs to make point much more clearly
17:04:39 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
17:05:24 <Zakim> -JanNelson
17:05:25 <Zakim> -aphillip
17:05:27 <Zakim> -koji
17:05:29 <Zakim> -fsasaki
17:05:29 <Zakim> -Norbert
17:05:35 <Zakim> -matial
17:05:52 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Emile, Koji, Felix, Norbert, Jan, Mati, David
17:05:57 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:05:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:06:25 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
17:06:25 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
17:06:26 <Zakim> -Richard
17:06:31 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
17:06:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see ET
17:06:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, koji, r12a, trackbot
17:06:38 <r12a> zakim, drop ET
17:06:38 <Zakim> ET is being disconnected
17:06:40 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
17:06:40 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.141.888.aaaa, David, aphillip, matial, Richard, ET, Norbert, koji, [Microsoft], JanNelson, fsasaki
17:07:57 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:07:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-i18n-minutes.html r12a
17:08:10 <r12a> zakim, bye
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17:08:27 <r12a> rrsagent, bye
17:08:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items