14:08:58 RRSAgent has joined #dap 14:08:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-dap-irc 14:09:00 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:09:00 Zakim has joined #dap 14:09:02 Zakim, this will be DAP 14:09:02 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 51 minutes 14:09:03 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 14:09:03 Date: 16 January 2013 14:09:31 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/0022.html 14:09:44 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/0022.html 14:10:12 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 14:10:19 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 14:10:46 Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 14:46:29 Topic: Agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 14:56:16 Regrets+ Claes_Nilsson 14:57:44 Cathy has joined #dap 14:57:49 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 14:57:56 +[IPcaller] 14:58:04 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 14:58:04 +fjh; got it 14:58:33 dcheng3 has joined #dap 14:59:34 +Josh_Soref 15:00:09 +lgombos 15:00:41 ScribeNick: fjh 15:00:52 Present+ Laszlo_Gombos, Josh_Soref 15:01:06 +dcheng3 15:01:27 Present+ Diana_Cheng 15:02:53 +Cathy 15:03:08 richt_ has joined #dap 15:03:56 + +1.858.750.aaaa 15:04:04 Present+ Cathy_Chan 15:04:21 +Haakon 15:04:21 Present+ Laszlo_Gombos 15:04:54 gmandyam has joined #dap 15:04:55 Present+ Rich_Tibbett 15:05:03 ScribeNick: fjh 15:05:12 Giri Mandyam from QuIC joining 15:05:16 draft Media Capture TF F2F agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/2013Jan/0042.html 15:05:40 fjh: who is planning on attending 15:05:59 fjh: Giri, Josh plan to attend 15:06:20 zakim, Haakon is rithc 15:06:20 +rithc; got it 15:06:28 zakim, rithc is richt 15:06:28 +richt; got it 15:06:54 logistic http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/2013Jan/0048.html 15:07:25 lgombos: also likely to attend 15:07:34 josh_soref: of course travis will attend 15:07:55 Topic: Minutes approval 15:08:26 AnssiK has joined #dap 15:08:29 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/att-0024/minutes-dap-2013-01-09.html 15:08:52 RESOLUTION: Draft minutes from 9 January 2013 are approved. 15:08:58 +??P12 15:09:02 zakim, ??P12 is me 15:09:02 +AnssiK; got it 15:09:06 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 15:09:07 Topic: Network Service Discovery 15:09:15 http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-discovery-api-20121004/ 15:09:35 richt: I have missed some meetings due to scheduling conflict, have seen feedback on list, need to reply 15:09:46 .. valid technical discussion, as well as scope change requests 15:09:51 s/../... 15:10:09 ... scope is interesting discussion, some want more UPnP support, some want to expand scope 15:10:31 ... Opera has been talking to other browser vendors, would prefer to reduce scope, want to get other browser vendors on board 15:10:44 ... nothing in spec has changed in 3 months, have implementation, plan to update draft 15:10:52 ... more time to work on this from 1 Feb 15:11:20 -dcheng3 15:11:38 fjh: is it possible for you to send email regarding scope earlier than Feb 15:11:57 richt: would rather work with other browsers to work on web like approach earlier, reduce to URLs 15:12:17 q? 15:12:44 cathy: was planning to consolidate outstanding comments, but maybe not necessary with significant changes? 15:13:09 richt: will not make changes to spec until list discussion first 15:14:31 fjh: seems like consolidation of comments would still be helpful 15:14:33 richt: yes 15:14:39 cathy: ok, I will do this then 15:15:00 + +46.1.07.15.aabb 15:15:27 ack, aabb is niklas 15:15:39 zakim, aabb is nwidell 15:15:40 +nwidell; got it 15:15:50 Present+ Niklas_Widell 15:16:00 Topic: F2F planning 15:16:39 fjh: Propose change of date to May to enable hosting (e.g. during week of 12th, 19th May), since we are having hosting problems for the chosen date 15:19:31 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:19:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:20:22 fjh: I am unable to host that date, neither is Diana, and Bryan indicated not being able to host in Redmond, and Seattle would be too expensive 15:20:34 fjh: in addition if we change the date we might be able to do 3 days if we need to 15:20:56 fjh: Diana is checking on hosting, I will ask Bryan to check for May, I have reserved 21-23 May in Burlington 15:21:11 fjh: any objection to changing the date 15:21:18 niklas: which date will we use 15:21:27 fjh: not sure, will first get offers for hosting then have questionnaire 15:21:33 no objections 15:21:54 RESOLUTION: DAP F2F will NOT be 9-10 April, but in May depending on hosting availability 15:22:14 zakim, who is here? 15:22:14 On the phone I see fjh, Josh_Soref, lgombos, Cathy, +1.858.750.aaaa, richt, AnssiK, nwidell 15:22:16 On IRC I see AnssiK, gmandyam, richt_, Cathy, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, trackbot, lgombos, tobie, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, mounir 15:24:06 fjh: we also need to make sure to have a meaningful and productive agenda to justify a f2f. Two big things are to progress a new draft of Network Service Discovery and to progress WebIntents/Web Activities 15:24:23 fjh: I believe we should be seeing more of WebIntents this month, hopefully a proposal 15:24:38 Topic: Network Information API 15:24:53 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/0012.html 15:25:12 lgombos: agreeing with Bryan, please refer to email 15:25:55 lgombos: we should be clear that the spec already highlights that it is not necessarily metered, so we could simply change the name 15:26:54 fjh: let us take this to the list 15:27:03 nwidell: I agree, we need more use case discussion 15:27:59 fjh: can you please help with use cases? 15:28:21 my e-mail is partially a response to implementor feedback (from WebKit) 15:28:23 nwidell: limited on time, but will see what I can do, certainly can comment. We need to be sure to limit our scope 15:28:56 Topic: Proximity Events and Ambient Light Events LC 15:29:07 Ambient Light Events LC published 13 December 2012, http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-ambient-light-20121213/ ; LC ends 26 January. 15:29:18 LC comments https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-ambient-light-20121213/ 15:29:27 Proximity Events LC published 6 December 2012. LC ends 24 January. 15:29:39 LC comments https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-proximity-20121206/ 15:29:46 pointer to consolidated CSS document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/0013.html (Josh) 15:29:54 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/0021.html (proposed comment resolution) 15:29:59 -Josh_Soref 15:30:27 fjh: review is happening in the PING, privacy interest group, that review ends 17th, should get feedback 15:30:33 +Josh_Soref 15:31:35 fjh: some of the discussion is how privacy requires a systemic view, which I've been saying - but we will see what feedback we get. You can check out the PING list as well 15:31:36 http://www.w3.org/Privacy/ 15:32:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/0015.html 15:32:31 anssik: have addressed last call comments and sent mail to list 15:32:51 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/rev/685f81b473d3 15:33:41 fjh: I need to close LC issue for Tab 15:35:51 fjh: need to think about bigger issues 15:36:00 s/issues/issues as well/ 15:36:24 anssi: doug turner is busy with release right now, also need implementations to back proposals 15:36:45 fjh: rick's latest on this - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Jan/0023.html 15:37:06 anssik: could extend API to deal with multiple sensors, had earlier discussion about adding identifier 15:37:31 ... proximity event could include id to identify sensor, so can address use case with current spec 15:38:08 ... not sure about changing for 'better design", issue of rework of code and prefer implementation experience 15:39:29 ... do we want a spec that is implemented or one that is cleaner but not implemented 15:40:08 fjh: anssik, it would be helpful for you to respond to Rick 15:40:27 anssik: yes I will respond, e.g. can make it look better via javascript library, for example 15:40:35 Topic: Open Actions 15:40:44 ACTION-605? 15:40:44 ACTION-605 -- Anssi Kostiainen to update Ambient Light specification for LC-2737 , bringing queueing order update from Proximity to Ambient Light -- due 2013-01-16 -- OPEN 15:40:44 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/605 15:40:52 ACTION-606? 15:40:52 ACTION-606 -- Anssi Kostiainen to update Proximity and Ambient Light to define events, per LC-2738 -- due 2013-01-16 -- OPEN 15:40:52 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/606 15:40:57 ACTION-607? 15:40:57 ACTION-607 -- Anssi Kostiainen to update Ambient Light per LC-2737, bringing any questions to the list -- due 2013-01-16 -- OPEN 15:40:57 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/607 15:41:18 close ACTION-605 15:41:19 Closed ACTION-605 Update Ambient Light specification for LC-2737 , bringing queueing order update from Proximity to Ambient Light. 15:41:23 close ACTION-606 15:41:23 Closed ACTION-606 Update Proximity and Ambient Light to define events, per LC-2738. 15:41:29 close ACTION-607 15:41:29 Closed ACTION-607 Update Ambient Light per LC-2737, bringing any questions to the list. 15:41:45 close ACTION-601 15:41:45 Closed ACTION-601 Prepare updated WD of HTML Media Capture in preparation for publication on 18 December (assuming WG agreement 12 Dec). 15:42:04 ACTION-592? 15:42:04 ACTION-592 -- Niklas Widell to provide draft sensors landscape document -- due 2012-11-09 -- OPEN 15:42:04 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/592 15:42:26 nwidell: have created a draft but it is not finished 15:42:33 ... cannot work more on this 15:42:40 fjh: is it possible to share what you have done 15:42:45 nwidell: will check 15:43:40 close ACTION-567 15:43:40 Closed ACTION-567 to provide proposed resolutions for HTML Media Capture last call comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0045.html. 15:44:01 fjh: if you believe an action should be closed, in general please move to Pending state 15:44:15 close ACTION-579 15:44:16 Closed ACTION-579 Add reference to clarify "implicit consent" in HTML Media Capture, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0122.html. 15:45:09 close ACTION-586 15:45:09 Closed ACTION-586 Review Battery tests. 15:45:33 https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/586? 15:45:47 s/https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/586?// 15:47:29 -lgombos 15:47:30 - +1.858.750.aaaa 15:47:30 -Cathy 15:47:32 -nwidell 15:47:32 -richt 15:47:38 -AnssiK 15:47:39 close ACTION-604 15:47:39 Closed ACTION-604 Request offers of hosting. 15:47:49 close ACTION-608 15:47:49 Closed ACTION-608 Update LC-2731 as completed. 15:47:57 close ACTION-609 15:47:57 Closed ACTION-609 Ask Rick to make proposal for change, summarizing use cases and benefits of change. 15:48:05 close ACTION-610 15:48:05 Closed ACTION-610 Contact Richt offline re network service discovery. 15:48:28 close ACTION-558 15:48:28 Closed ACTION-558 Draft a proposal for stills capture for gUM. 15:48:36 fjh: robin confirmed we can close this one 15:48:52 close ACTION-560 15:48:52 Closed ACTION-560 Coordinate with PF to figure out which DAP specs, if any, have accessibility dependencies. 15:49:16 fjh: robin noted that he established coordination with PF, but we should inform PF on upcoming LCs 15:49:24 Topic: Other Business 15:49:26 none 15:51:15 reminder - Anssi will reply to Rick, Cathy will consolidate and send message re Network Service Discovery, Richt will work on it as soon as he can, Frederick to follow up on F2f hosting and create questionnaire, Nicklas to check on sharing use cases both for network information and sensors, Frederick to work on closing Tab LC comment, Diana to check on hosting 15:51:23 Topic: Adjourn 15:51:28 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:51:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:52:14 s/ack, aabb is niklas// 15:52:54 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:52:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/16-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:54:05 -fjh 15:58:49 naomi has joined #dap 16:06:45 -Josh_Soref 16:06:47 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 16:06:47 Attendees were fjh, Josh_Soref, lgombos, dcheng3, Cathy, +1.858.750.aaaa, richt, AnssiK, +46.1.07.15.aabb, nwidell 17:25:19 Zakim has left #dap 17:28:50 naomi has joined #dap 17:59:28 jeffh has joined #dap 18:21:52 naomi has joined #dap 19:15:29 naomi has joined #dap