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15:54:50 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-egov-irc#T15-54-50
15:55:02 <sandro> zakim, this is egov
15:55:02 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV(Atlantic)11:00AM
15:55:09 <sandro> Hi, bdhandspicker
15:55:21 <bdhandspicker> Hi sandro
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15:55:25 <sandro> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:55:25 <sandro> scribe: bdhandspicker
15:55:58 <bdhandspicker> @sandro, can I assume you are doing all setup and all I need to do is take minutes?
15:56:11 <sandro> yep, it's all set
15:56:18 <bdhandspicker> Great.
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15:56:56 <Gwyn_Sutherlin> can we mute mics when not speaking
15:57:47 <Zakim> +??P7
15:58:07 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p7 is me
15:58:09 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
15:58:10 <Zakim> + +1.847.699.aabb
15:58:23 <sandro> you can mute with the touch-tone code 61# then unmute with 60#
15:58:37 <Zakim> - +1.847.699.aabb
15:58:45 <Zakim> +Sandro
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15:59:15 <sandro> if you recognize your number, please say so here.
15:59:17 <bdhandspicker> zakim, who is here?
15:59:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.413.652.aaaa, [IPcaller], BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, +1.613.237.aacc, +1.847.699.aadd
15:59:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jeanne_, KevinSimkins, GannonDick, RRSAgent, Zakim, BartvanLeeuwen, Gwyn_Sutherlin, bdhandspicker, tkb, MacTed, Adrian, heath, bhyland, trackbot, sandro
15:59:30 <Gwyn_Sutherlin> i'm IP called I think
15:59:36 <bdhandspicker> Zakim, I am aaaa
15:59:36 <Zakim> +bdhandspicker; got it
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16:00:17 <Zakim> + +1.703.516.aaee
16:00:18 <PhilA2> zakim, code?
16:00:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2
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16:00:42 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P11 is me
16:00:44 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it
16:01:10 <Zakim> + +1.718.361.aahh
16:01:26 <Zakim> + +1.508.333.aaii
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16:01:54 <GannonDick> Zakim, I am aaii
16:01:54 <Zakim> +GannonDick; got it
16:02:04 <tkb> Zakim, I am aajj
16:02:04 <Zakim> +tkb; got it
16:02:07 <Zakim> + +1.843.682.aakk
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16:02:42 <Owen> 843 is me
16:02:49 <PhilA2> zakim, aadd is Richard_Campbell
16:02:49 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA2, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
16:02:54 <tkb> and I'm Tariq Khokhar, World Bank Open Data Initiatve
16:02:58 <sandro> zakim, aakk is Owen
16:02:58 <Zakim> +Owen; got it
16:03:08 <Zakim> + +1.937.206.aamm
16:03:10 <PhilA2> zakim, aadd is Richard
16:03:10 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA2, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
16:03:18 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?
16:03:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see bdhandspicker, [IPcaller], BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, +1.613.237.aacc, +1.703.516.aaee, PhilA2, +1.847.699.aaff, +1.818.434.aagg, +1.718.361.aahh, GannonDick
16:03:22 <Zakim> ... (muted), tkb, Owen, +1.703.281.aall, +1.937.206.aamm
16:03:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, PhilA2, Jeanne_, KevinSimkins, GannonDick, RRSAgent, Zakim, BartvanLeeuwen, Gwyn_Sutherlin, bdhandspicker, tkb, MacTed, Adrian, heath, bhyland, trackbot, sandro
16:03:30 <Jeanne_> +1.818.434 is Jeanne
16:03:44 <PhilA2> zakim, aaff is KevinSimkins
16:03:44 <Zakim> +KevinSimkins; got it
16:03:46 <Jeanne_> zakin, aajj is Jeanne
16:04:05 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
16:04:29 <Adrian> 613 547 5000 is Adrian (Walker)
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16:05:31 <bdhandspicker> Topic: Announcements, Call for Speakers, Conferences
16:06:05 <Zakim> + +1.312.454.aann
16:06:06 <andrewhoppin> we'll be screensharing at:  https://join.me/newamsterdam so feel free to join there any time
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16:06:44 <bdhandspicker> Jeanne: Meetings restructured this past year, collecting ideas for topics
16:07:00 <bdhandspicker> Jeanne: Putting out an open call for speakers for egov
16:07:22 <bdhandspicker> Jeanne: January 21 Hong Kong time next meeting
16:07:54 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aaoo
16:07:59 <bdhandspicker> Jeanne: Expand our series on open data in the next few meetings then look at additional topics
16:08:23 <bdhandspicker> Jeanne: Daniel Bennet leading the group on Social Networking
16:08:31 <bdhandspicker> Jeanne: Need a leader for Open Data group
16:08:33 <DanielBennett> aaoo is Daniel Bennett
16:09:06 <bdhandspicker> Jeanne: WWW Conference 2013 Brazil looking for speakers
16:09:12 <PhilA2> zakim, aaoo id DanielBennett
16:09:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaoo id DanielBennett', PhilA2
16:09:19 <PhilA2> zakim, aaoo is DanielBennett
16:09:19 <Zakim> +DanielBennett; got it
16:09:42 <bdhandspicker> Topic: Open Source Platforms Options for Opend Data Publishing (Andrew Hoppin)
16:09:43 <DanielBennett> my id got in the way of my is(being)
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16:09:50 <PhilA2> Topic: Andrew Hoppin
16:09:58 <Jeanne_> Andrew Hoppins' screenshare http://join.me/newamsterdam
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16:10:38 <Adrian> Second talk slides at http://www.reengineeringllc.com/A_Wiki_for_Executable_Open_Vocabulary_English_w3c_egov.pdf
16:10:39 <DanielBennett> fan of join.me
16:10:50 <Jeanne_> Andrew's slides are at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/f/f1/W3C_OpenSource_OpenData.pdf
16:11:05 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: Background - small team in NYS working on Open Source platforms
16:11:55 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: developing software open data for local and state governments
16:12:22 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: SAAS and Hosted Solutions delivered by Socrata(?)
16:14:05 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: CECANN? and Open Data Philly are existing platforms available for local governments
16:14:55 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: New platforms options DKAN, Open Government Platform (OGPL) best of Drupal, best of CKAN
16:15:18 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: Help to Publish, customize, store and manage data
16:15:41 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: Data users to explore, collaborate, use, and extend data & systems
16:16:25 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: Open source matters - no lockin, security transparency, open formats and standards, innovation, hosting options, cost
16:16:34 <Jeanne_> andrewhoppin: The CKAN open source is available via http://ckan.org/
16:17:40 <bdhandspicker> s/CECANN?/CKAN/
16:18:36 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: 2012 big year for CKAN - significant use growth
16:19:18 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: Data.gov to be CKAN +Drupal
16:20:27 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: Why Drupal - open source, already used widely, hosting and consulting support, large skilled user community
16:21:10 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: New DKAN is Drupal-native CKAN
16:21:43 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: DKAN - replicate CKAN in Drupal without Python dependence
16:22:54 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: DKAN benefits - extensible, rapid new development, mature platform, broad support, cloud and local hosting options, integrates DMS & CMS
16:23:55 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: Data isn't static but both real-time changing and augmentable
16:24:38 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: participants (Senators), events, are all non-static data
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16:25:44 <bdhandspicker> alexbyrnes: Alex Byrnes - lots of Open Source development experiences...
16:26:59 <bdhandspicker> alexbyrnes: CKAN widely used as a CMS that understands meta-data
16:28:10 <bdhandspicker> alexbyrnes: CKAN plug-in features and federation options
16:29:05 <Zakim> + +1.312.454.aapp
16:29:17 <bdhandspicker> alexbyrnes: CKAN use case is Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning (CMAP) Data Hub - central agency with constituent agencies
16:29:50 <bdhandspicker> alexbyrnes: CKAN foundation standard for other system
16:31:04 <bdhandspicker> alexbyrnes: CKAN API benefits - federation, create new UIs on top of API, open source
16:33:30 <bdhandspicker> alexbyrnes: Quibbles about CKAN API - Solr queries, Empty POST data required for some calls, should be standalone project
16:34:01 <bdhandspicker> alexbyrnes: Better for CKAN to be an essential Open Data tool instead of monolithic hub software
16:35:18 <Jeanne_> Andrew's slides are at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/f/f1/W3C_OpenSource_OpenData.pdf
16:37:02 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: We have close relationship with CKAN and provide feedback
16:37:24 <andrewhoppin> actually that was alexbyrnes saying that, but I concur :)
16:38:22 <aaron_c> Aaron Couch
16:38:57 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: Aaron Couch - DKAN deployed for city of Chicago
16:40:20 <alexbyrnes> not at all. it's a good point.
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16:40:31 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: Found limitations with CKAN that would be easily satisfied with Drupal
16:41:25 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: Folks integrating CKAN with Drupal, with Wordpress... why not replicate the features of CKAN using Drupal
16:41:39 <aaron_c> http://dkan.nuamsdev.com/
16:41:59 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: Live Demo of DKAN at http://dkan.nuamsdev.com/
16:42:12 <aaron_c> http://drupal.org/project/dkan
16:42:36 <aaron_c> http://demo.ckan.org/
16:42:49 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: Goal is DCAN feature parity with CKAN
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16:44:15 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: DKAN has all of Drupals CMS, I18N, etc. features
16:44:47 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: Example of how easy it is to publish a dataset using DKAN
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16:49:39 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: DKAN API is mimicing the CKAN API as much as possible
16:50:27 <Zakim> -GannonDick
16:51:00 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: DKAN supports RDF and hopefully other microformats to be "unlocked"
16:51:07 <PhilA2> q+
16:52:33 <bdhandspicker> PhilA2: Want kind of demand and requests do you get from your DKAN users? What are your next steps? OLD?
16:53:06 <Zakim> +GannonDick
16:53:49 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: We are focusing on DKAN datastore api to make it compatible with CKAN and extending Drupal support for schema.org microformats
16:54:35 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: Metadata currently available in RDF, but need to focus on more... moving quickly and will update egov wrt progress
16:55:37 <bdhandspicker> PhilA2: CKAN, DKAN, schema.org extension all of interest... metadata about datasets is critical to being able to find datasets
16:56:20 <bdhandspicker> PhilA2: Talking with schema.org wrt vocabulary development to meet needs of various stakeholders
16:57:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
16:57:20 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: Goal is consumer end-points for data being published out of DKAN including RDF, etc.
16:57:34 <PhilA2> q-
16:57:39 <andrewhoppin> DKAN is an open collaborative project on so we welcome any and all code contributions / patches / issue report / feature requests on drupal.org/project/DKAN
16:57:43 <bdhandspicker> PhilA2: Do you mean microformat or microdata?
16:57:51 <bdhandspicker> aaron_c: Microdata.
16:57:58 <Jeanne_> ack PhilA
16:58:20 <Jeanne_> ack BartvanLeeuwen
16:58:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, unmute me
16:58:30 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen was not muted, BartvanLeeuwen
16:58:33 <DanielBennett> check your mute
16:58:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> skip my question
16:59:37 <Jeanne_> Thanks Bart.
17:00:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> Jeanne_, how does this relate to the opengovplatform ?
17:00:38 <PhilA2> +1 to andrewhoppin on modularity
17:01:31 <bdhandspicker> andrewhoppin: Looking forward to CKAN, DKAN functionality being available as modular services rather than monolithic hubs
17:01:36 <PhilA2> The eGov IG mailing list is open to all
17:02:17 <PhilA2> Mailing list archives etc at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/
17:02:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> Jeanne_, thx
17:02:25 <bdhandspicker> Topic: A Wiki for Executable Open Vocabulary English (Adrian Walker)
17:03:03 <Jeanne_> Adrian Walker's slides are at http://www.reengineeringllc.com/A_Wiki_for_Executable_Open_Vocabulary_English_w3c_egov.pdf
17:03:36 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Adrian Walker of Reengineering LLC
17:04:51 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Smart connections: executable english apps to connect non-tech people to OLD
17:05:26 <Zakim> - +1.312.454.aapp
17:05:49 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Smart connections: 400,000 dataset plus extraction tools need applications to give meaning to data
17:06:06 <Zakim> -[GVoice]
17:06:27 <Zakim> - +1.718.361.aahh
17:06:33 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:06:49 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Wiki for contect - non-tech user writes business rules in english, rules result in english results
17:08:56 <Zakim> + +1.718.361.aaqq
17:09:02 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Wiki for content: vocabulary is open, no dictionary maintenance, strict semantics via declarations, jargons & terms supported
17:09:05 <PhilA2> zakim, who is noisy?
17:09:18 <Zakim> PhilA2, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: [GVoice] (15%), +1.613.237.aacc (82%)
17:10:37 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Example of semantically linked DOE data
17:11:21 <Zakim> - +1.703.281.aall
17:12:58 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Avoids the natural language query problem of users straying off topic with their queries
17:14:10 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Addendum: Rules generated questions avoids the natural....
17:14:34 <Zakim> -[GVoice]
17:15:57 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Natural-language based applications can be indexed by Google and searched on
17:16:41 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
17:16:46 <DanielBennett> check your phone connection Bart
17:16:58 <Zakim> +??P0
17:17:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p0 is me
17:17:16 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
17:18:29 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Summary - non-technical users can write app to execute in their browsers to access and manipulate OLD, which are then accessible via search engines
17:19:17 <Gwyn_Sutherlin> +q
17:19:28 <PhilA2> ack Gwyn_Sutherlin
17:19:35 <bdhandspicker> There is an overview paper at: www.reengineeringllc.com/A_Wiki_for_Business_Rules_in_Open_Vocabulary_Executable_English.pdf
17:20:27 <bdhandspicker> Java client is available at: http://www.Reengineeringllc.com/iblclient1.Java
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17:21:52 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: WRT language choice, Google indexes whatever we write. whether in English or in Russian
17:22:48 <bdhandspicker> ??: What about a language that has no nouns and/or no numbers?
17:24:12 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Not a problem for his system, but may require a variation on the system specific to the unique characteristics of the language and its grammar
17:25:17 <bdhandspicker> * who asked the language questions? sorry, bad with voices
17:25:25 <Gwyn_Sutherlin> gwyn
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17:26:55 <bdhandspicker> Adrian: Three types of Semantics - semantics of influence, semantics of data, semantics of ....
17:27:08 <DanielBennett> thanks to all the speakers
17:27:17 <Gwyn_Sutherlin> thanks, great talks
17:27:36 <PhilA2> rrsagent, make logs public
17:27:46 <PhilA2> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:27:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-egov-minutes.html PhilA2
17:27:47 <bdhandspicker> Jeanne: Thanks to all
17:27:57 <Adrian> Oops   semantics of inference (not influence)
17:28:27 <Adrian> and semantics of English.  Thanks.
17:28:40 <bdhandspicker> @Adrian: thanks
17:28:44 <PhilA2> s/Three types of Semantics - semantics of influence, semantics of data, /Three types of Semantics - semantics of inference, semantics of data, /
17:28:45 <Zakim> - +1.703.516.aaee
17:28:48 <Zakim> - +1.937.206.aamm
17:28:49 <Zakim> -GannonDick
17:28:50 <Zakim> -tkb
17:28:51 <Zakim> - +1.718.361.aaqq
17:28:51 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
17:28:53 <Zakim> - +1.818.434.aagg
17:28:54 <Zakim> - +1.613.237.aacc
17:28:54 <Zakim> -PhilA2
17:28:56 <DanielBennett> yes, please help out. thanks Jeanne
17:28:57 <Zakim> - +1.312.454.aann
17:28:58 <Zakim> -Sandro
17:28:59 <Zakim> -KevinSimkins
17:29:02 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
17:29:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> ths Jeanne_
17:29:07 <Zakim> -Owen
17:29:08 <Zakim> -DanielBennett
17:29:10 <Zakim> -bdhandspicker
17:29:12 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(Atlantic)11:00AM has ended
17:29:12 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.413.652.aaaa, [IPcaller], BartvanLeeuwen, +1.847.699.aabb, Sandro, +1.613.237.aacc, +1.847.699.aadd, bdhandspicker, +1.703.516.aaee, +1.847.699.aaff,
17:29:12 <Zakim> ... +1.818.434.aagg, PhilA2, +1.718.361.aahh, +1.508.333.aaii, +1.202.473.aajj, GannonDick, tkb, +1.843.682.aakk, +1.703.281.aall, Owen, +1.937.206.aamm, KevinSimkins, [GVoice],
17:29:12 <Zakim> ... +1.312.454.aann, +1.202.319.aaoo, DanielBennett, +1.312.454.aapp, +1.718.361.aaqq
17:29:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx Jeanne_
17:29:19 <PhilA2> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:29:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-egov-minutes.html PhilA2
17:29:27 <Jeanne_> Thanks to all of our speakers, participants, and to Brian and Phil for scribing and facilitating.
17:29:48 <PhilA2> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:29:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-egov-minutes.html PhilA2
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