IRC log of egov on 2013-01-11

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rrsagent, bookmark
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15:55:02 [sandro]
zakim, this is egov
15:55:02 [Zakim]
ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV(Atlantic)11:00AM
15:55:09 [sandro]
Hi, bdhandspicker
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Hi sandro
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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scribe: bdhandspicker
15:55:58 [bdhandspicker]
@sandro, can I assume you are doing all setup and all I need to do is take minutes?
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yep, it's all set
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can we mute mics when not speaking
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Zakim, ??p7 is me
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+BartvanLeeuwen; got it
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+ +1.847.699.aabb
15:58:23 [sandro]
you can mute with the touch-tone code 61# then unmute with 60#
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if you recognize your number, please say so here.
15:59:17 [bdhandspicker]
zakim, who is here?
15:59:17 [Zakim]
On the phone I see +1.413.652.aaaa, [IPcaller], BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, +1.613.237.aacc, +1.847.699.aadd
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On IRC I see Jeanne_, KevinSimkins, GannonDick, RRSAgent, Zakim, BartvanLeeuwen, Gwyn_Sutherlin, bdhandspicker, tkb, MacTed, Adrian, heath, bhyland, trackbot, sandro
15:59:30 [Gwyn_Sutherlin]
i'm IP called I think
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Zakim, I am aaaa
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+bdhandspicker; got it
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, PhilA2
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zakim, ??P11 is me
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+PhilA2; got it
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Zakim, I am aaii
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+GannonDick; got it
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Zakim, I am aajj
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+tkb; got it
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843 is me
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zakim, aadd is Richard_Campbell
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sorry, PhilA2, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
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and I'm Tariq Khokhar, World Bank Open Data Initiatve
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zakim, aakk is Owen
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+Owen; got it
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zakim, aadd is Richard
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sorry, PhilA2, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see bdhandspicker, [IPcaller], BartvanLeeuwen, Sandro, +1.613.237.aacc, +1.703.516.aaee, PhilA2, +1.847.699.aaff, +1.818.434.aagg, +1.718.361.aahh, GannonDick
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... (muted), tkb, Owen, +1.703.281.aall, +1.937.206.aamm
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On IRC I see Owen, PhilA2, Jeanne_, KevinSimkins, GannonDick, RRSAgent, Zakim, BartvanLeeuwen, Gwyn_Sutherlin, bdhandspicker, tkb, MacTed, Adrian, heath, bhyland, trackbot, sandro
16:03:30 [Jeanne_]
+1.818.434 is Jeanne
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zakim, aaff is KevinSimkins
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+KevinSimkins; got it
16:03:46 [Jeanne_]
zakin, aajj is Jeanne
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16:04:29 [Adrian]
613 547 5000 is Adrian (Walker)
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Topic: Announcements, Call for Speakers, Conferences
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16:06:06 [andrewhoppin]
we'll be screensharing at: so feel free to join there any time
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Jeanne: Meetings restructured this past year, collecting ideas for topics
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Jeanne: Putting out an open call for speakers for egov
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Jeanne: January 21 Hong Kong time next meeting
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+ +1.202.319.aaoo
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Jeanne: Expand our series on open data in the next few meetings then look at additional topics
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Jeanne: Daniel Bennet leading the group on Social Networking
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Jeanne: Need a leader for Open Data group
16:08:33 [DanielBennett]
aaoo is Daniel Bennett
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Jeanne: WWW Conference 2013 Brazil looking for speakers
16:09:12 [PhilA2]
zakim, aaoo id DanielBennett
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I don't understand 'aaoo id DanielBennett', PhilA2
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zakim, aaoo is DanielBennett
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+DanielBennett; got it
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Topic: Open Source Platforms Options for Opend Data Publishing (Andrew Hoppin)
16:09:43 [DanielBennett]
my id got in the way of my is(being)
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Topic: Andrew Hoppin
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Andrew Hoppins' screenshare
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Second talk slides at
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fan of
16:10:50 [Jeanne_]
Andrew's slides are at
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andrewhoppin: Background - small team in NYS working on Open Source platforms
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andrewhoppin: developing software open data for local and state governments
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andrewhoppin: SAAS and Hosted Solutions delivered by Socrata(?)
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andrewhoppin: CECANN? and Open Data Philly are existing platforms available for local governments
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andrewhoppin: New platforms options DKAN, Open Government Platform (OGPL) best of Drupal, best of CKAN
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andrewhoppin: Help to Publish, customize, store and manage data
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andrewhoppin: Data users to explore, collaborate, use, and extend data & systems
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andrewhoppin: Open source matters - no lockin, security transparency, open formats and standards, innovation, hosting options, cost
16:16:34 [Jeanne_]
andrewhoppin: The CKAN open source is available via
16:17:40 [bdhandspicker]
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andrewhoppin: 2012 big year for CKAN - significant use growth
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andrewhoppin: to be CKAN +Drupal
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andrewhoppin: Why Drupal - open source, already used widely, hosting and consulting support, large skilled user community
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andrewhoppin: New DKAN is Drupal-native CKAN
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andrewhoppin: DKAN - replicate CKAN in Drupal without Python dependence
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andrewhoppin: DKAN benefits - extensible, rapid new development, mature platform, broad support, cloud and local hosting options, integrates DMS & CMS
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andrewhoppin: Data isn't static but both real-time changing and augmentable
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andrewhoppin: participants (Senators), events, are all non-static data
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alexbyrnes: Alex Byrnes - lots of Open Source development experiences...
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alexbyrnes: CKAN widely used as a CMS that understands meta-data
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alexbyrnes: CKAN plug-in features and federation options
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alexbyrnes: CKAN use case is Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning (CMAP) Data Hub - central agency with constituent agencies
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alexbyrnes: CKAN foundation standard for other system
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alexbyrnes: CKAN API benefits - federation, create new UIs on top of API, open source
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alexbyrnes: Quibbles about CKAN API - Solr queries, Empty POST data required for some calls, should be standalone project
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alexbyrnes: Better for CKAN to be an essential Open Data tool instead of monolithic hub software
16:35:18 [Jeanne_]
Andrew's slides are at
16:37:02 [bdhandspicker]
andrewhoppin: We have close relationship with CKAN and provide feedback
16:37:24 [andrewhoppin]
actually that was alexbyrnes saying that, but I concur :)
16:38:22 [aaron_c]
Aaron Couch
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aaron_c: Aaron Couch - DKAN deployed for city of Chicago
16:40:20 [alexbyrnes]
not at all. it's a good point.
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aaron_c: Found limitations with CKAN that would be easily satisfied with Drupal
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aaron_c: Folks integrating CKAN with Drupal, with Wordpress... why not replicate the features of CKAN using Drupal
16:41:39 [aaron_c]
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aaron_c: Live Demo of DKAN at
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aaron_c: Goal is DCAN feature parity with CKAN
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aaron_c: DKAN has all of Drupals CMS, I18N, etc. features
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aaron_c: Example of how easy it is to publish a dataset using DKAN
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aaron_c: DKAN API is mimicing the CKAN API as much as possible
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aaron_c: DKAN supports RDF and hopefully other microformats to be "unlocked"
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PhilA2: Want kind of demand and requests do you get from your DKAN users? What are your next steps? OLD?
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aaron_c: We are focusing on DKAN datastore api to make it compatible with CKAN and extending Drupal support for microformats
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aaron_c: Metadata currently available in RDF, but need to focus on more... moving quickly and will update egov wrt progress
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PhilA2: CKAN, DKAN, extension all of interest... metadata about datasets is critical to being able to find datasets
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PhilA2: Talking with wrt vocabulary development to meet needs of various stakeholders
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aaron_c: Goal is consumer end-points for data being published out of DKAN including RDF, etc.
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16:57:39 [andrewhoppin]
DKAN is an open collaborative project on so we welcome any and all code contributions / patches / issue report / feature requests on
16:57:43 [bdhandspicker]
PhilA2: Do you mean microformat or microdata?
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aaron_c: Microdata.
16:57:58 [Jeanne_]
ack PhilA
16:58:20 [Jeanne_]
ack BartvanLeeuwen
16:58:30 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Zakim, unmute me
16:58:30 [Zakim]
BartvanLeeuwen was not muted, BartvanLeeuwen
16:58:33 [DanielBennett]
check your mute
16:58:59 [BartvanLeeuwen]
skip my question
16:59:37 [Jeanne_]
Thanks Bart.
17:00:05 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Jeanne_, how does this relate to the opengovplatform ?
17:00:38 [PhilA2]
+1 to andrewhoppin on modularity
17:01:31 [bdhandspicker]
andrewhoppin: Looking forward to CKAN, DKAN functionality being available as modular services rather than monolithic hubs
17:01:36 [PhilA2]
The eGov IG mailing list is open to all
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Mailing list archives etc at
17:02:24 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Jeanne_, thx
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Topic: A Wiki for Executable Open Vocabulary English (Adrian Walker)
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Adrian Walker's slides are at
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Adrian: Adrian Walker of Reengineering LLC
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Adrian: Smart connections: executable english apps to connect non-tech people to OLD
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Adrian: Smart connections: 400,000 dataset plus extraction tools need applications to give meaning to data
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Adrian: Wiki for contect - non-tech user writes business rules in english, rules result in english results
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+ +1.718.361.aaqq
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Adrian: Wiki for content: vocabulary is open, no dictionary maintenance, strict semantics via declarations, jargons & terms supported
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zakim, who is noisy?
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PhilA2, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: [GVoice] (15%), +1.613.237.aacc (82%)
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Adrian: Example of semantically linked DOE data
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Adrian: Avoids the natural language query problem of users straying off topic with their queries
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Adrian: Addendum: Rules generated questions avoids the natural....
17:14:34 [Zakim]
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Adrian: Natural-language based applications can be indexed by Google and searched on
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17:16:46 [DanielBennett]
check your phone connection Bart
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17:17:16 [BartvanLeeuwen]
Zakim, ??p0 is me
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+BartvanLeeuwen; got it
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Adrian: Summary - non-technical users can write app to execute in their browsers to access and manipulate OLD, which are then accessible via search engines
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17:19:28 [PhilA2]
ack Gwyn_Sutherlin
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There is an overview paper at:
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Java client is available at:
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Adrian: WRT language choice, Google indexes whatever we write. whether in English or in Russian
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??: What about a language that has no nouns and/or no numbers?
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Adrian: Not a problem for his system, but may require a variation on the system specific to the unique characteristics of the language and its grammar
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* who asked the language questions? sorry, bad with voices
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Adrian: Three types of Semantics - semantics of influence, semantics of data, semantics of ....
17:27:08 [DanielBennett]
thanks to all the speakers
17:27:17 [Gwyn_Sutherlin]
thanks, great talks
17:27:36 [PhilA2]
rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate PhilA2
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Jeanne: Thanks to all
17:27:57 [Adrian]
Oops semantics of inference (not influence)
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and semantics of English. Thanks.
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@Adrian: thanks
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s/Three types of Semantics - semantics of influence, semantics of data, /Three types of Semantics - semantics of inference, semantics of data, /
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17:28:56 [DanielBennett]
yes, please help out. thanks Jeanne
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17:29:05 [BartvanLeeuwen]
ths Jeanne_
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Attendees were +1.413.652.aaaa, [IPcaller], BartvanLeeuwen, +1.847.699.aabb, Sandro, +1.613.237.aacc, +1.847.699.aadd, bdhandspicker, +1.703.516.aaee, +1.847.699.aaff,
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... +1.818.434.aagg, PhilA2, +1.718.361.aahh, +1.508.333.aaii, +1.202.473.aajj, GannonDick, tkb, +1.843.682.aakk, +1.703.281.aall, Owen, +1.937.206.aamm, KevinSimkins, [GVoice],
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... +1.312.454.aann, +1.202.319.aaoo, DanielBennett, +1.312.454.aapp, +1.718.361.aaqq
17:29:16 [BartvanLeeuwen]
thx Jeanne_
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate PhilA2
17:29:27 [Jeanne_]
Thanks to all of our speakers, participants, and to Brian and Phil for scribing and facilitating.
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate PhilA2
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