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15:57:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:57:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 57 minutes ago
15:57:14 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:57:14 <trackbot> Date: 10 January 2013
15:57:40 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:57:40 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:57:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, plh, janina, davidb, MichaelC, darobin, Stevef, hober, trackbot
15:58:01 <janina> zakim, this will be 2119
15:58:02 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 58 minutes ago
15:58:08 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:58:08 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:58:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, plh, janina, davidb, MichaelC, darobin, Stevef, hober, trackbot
15:58:26 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
15:58:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:58:32 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
15:58:32 <Zakim> ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM already started
15:58:37 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:58:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P39
15:58:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, plh, janina, davidb, MichaelC, darobin, Stevef, hober, trackbot
15:58:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:58:46 <Zakim> +Cooper
15:58:46 <janina> zakim, ??P39 is Janina_Sajka
15:58:48 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:59:02 <Stevef> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:59:03 <Zakim> +Stevef; got it
15:59:18 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:59:26 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:59:27 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:59:50 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
15:59:50 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:59:50 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:59:53 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc Extension Update http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/b63325998cc1/longdesc1/longdesc.html
15:59:56 <janina> agenda+ Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the document)
15:59:59 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;
16:00:01 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:00:04 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
16:00:06 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
16:00:09 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:00:48 <janina>  zakim, who's here?
16:00:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, Stevef, Cooper, [Microsoft]
16:00:50 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
16:00:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, plh, janina, davidb, MichaelC, darobin, Stevef, hober, trackbot
16:01:06 <Zakim> + +1.619.846.aaaa
16:01:27 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
16:01:59 <janina> zakim, +aaa is Ted_Hober
16:02:00 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not recognize a party named '+aaa'
16:02:27 <janina> zakim, +1.619.846.aaaa is Ted_Hober
16:02:27 <Zakim> +Ted_Hober; got it
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16:04:04 <janina> scribe: David
16:04:13 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
16:04:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
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16:04:23 <janina> zakim, close item 1
16:04:24 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
16:04:26 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:04:26 <Zakim> 2. Longdesc Extension Update http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/b63325998cc1/longdesc1/longdesc.html [from janina]
16:04:28 <janina> zakim, take up item 2
16:04:28 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Longdesc Extension Update http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/b63325998cc1/longdesc1/longdesc.html" taken up [from janina]
16:04:53 <David> Janina: Test status of longdesc ext
16:04:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:05:26 <Zakim> +Judy
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16:06:18 <Zakim> +Plh
16:06:19 <David> we had call for consensus, got feedback pro and con, called for consensus for summary of positions, one email, said my position not correctly reflected...
16:06:30 <David> then holidays
16:06:33 <Stevef> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Dec/0088.html
16:06:51 <David> js: need to do something with that
16:08:25 <David> sf: i was editing the document
16:09:06 <David> js: tweak the changes james asked for, and ready for publication
16:10:08 <David> sf: i think an acknowledgement to james, and we can move forward... it was just a clarification to one point
16:10:37 <David> sf: counter proposals would be separate
16:12:19 <David> js: do we need to change anything  on our summary...
16:13:43 <David> Action: Steve to resend email call for consensus on resolutions ... email about longdesc objections... updating it with  James...
16:13:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-152 - Resend email call for consensus on resolutions ... email about longdesc objections... updating it with  James... [on Steve Faulkner - due 2013-01-17].
16:13:45 <janina> zakim, next item
16:13:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the document)" taken up [from janina]
16:14:28 <David> js: trying to get wcag and html in agreement
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16:15:08 <Stevef> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0007.html
16:17:32 <David> sf: resigned tracker items... proposals to get discussions re captcha, absence of webcam example in spec. I have taken an action item... I'm waiting for discussion between Robin and Janina to take place, sooner the better
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16:18:18 <hober> Zakim, Ted_Hober is hober
16:18:18 <Zakim> +hober; got it
16:19:11 <David> js: easiest path is to fix bad advice
16:19:51 <David> dm: are choices to remove or fix alt text advice section?
16:20:31 <David> js: first path is editorial, directly
16:22:28 <David> js: decision was that authoring guidance was to be right there in the document, and easiest to fix that
16:23:18 <David> sf: my goal would be to reduce the normative text to be lexical and having examples as examples.
16:24:20 <David> js: it would seem the best place to be current, is for it to be in supporting documentation...
16:24:39 <janina> zakim, next item
16:24:39 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;" taken up [from janina]
16:25:01 <David> dm: i agree that fixing the 4.8 would be acceptable path
16:26:52 <David> LW: making good progress... there are a few drap and drop bugs... GEZ looked at them... may close exisiting bugs and review that part of the spec again
16:27:18 <David> s/drap/drag
16:28:16 <David> lw: Everett and gez are best qualified, but are not available
16:28:37 <David> js: maybe rich, but he is quite busy
16:29:23 <David> sf: the section is a number of pages
16:29:32 <David> js: a number of pages
16:30:45 <David> lw: some bugs are  assigned to hixie, we are not sure who should pick those up...
16:30:46 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10873
16:31:32 <Judy> q+
16:33:13 <David> sf: asking for new feature to add tooltip without title... should be done in an extension spec
16:33:53 <David> js:  should close bug
16:34:00 <Judy> q-
16:34:20 <David> fk: could move it to wiki html next stuff
16:34:32 <David> s/fk/sk
16:34:32 <Stevef> http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/next
16:34:43 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8885
16:34:51 <David> lw: will do
16:35:12 <David> action Leonie to put tooltip bug into html5 next wiki
16:35:12 <trackbot> Error finding 'Leonie'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
16:36:29 <David> action: lwatson Leonie to put tooltip bug into html5 next wiki
16:36:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-153 - Leonie to put tooltip bug into html5 next wiki [on Léonie Watson - due 2013-01-17].
16:37:20 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10709
16:39:14 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13390
16:39:36 <David> Resolution: leave 10709 closed
16:41:52 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13460
16:42:20 <David> Js: if not an accessibility issue, we take our tag off, if not accessibility we can close it
16:43:38 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13549
16:44:05 <David> RESOLUTON: close 13460
16:45:26 <David> RESOLUTION: need to reassign 13549 to cynthia, re-open it
16:45:44 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13350
16:45:56 <David> lw: need to check with cynthia if it has been adequately addressed
16:46:21 <David> s/13549
16:46:31 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13553
16:47:03 <David> s/it/13549/
16:47:29 <David> RESOLUTION: close 13350
16:49:29 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13566
16:49:41 <David> RESOLUTION: send 13553 to cynthia, ask if it is still an issue
16:50:51 <lwatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13572
16:50:53 <David> RESOLUTION: send 13566 to cynthia, ask if it is still an issue... its editorial
16:57:44 <David> RESOLUTION: send 13572 to cynthia, change optional to should html.next
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17:00:03 <Zakim> -Judy
17:00:04 <David> zakim, bye
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17:00:05 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Cooper, Janina_Sajka, Stevef, paulc, David_MacDonald, [IPcaller], Judy, Plh, hober
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