18:05:31 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 18:05:31 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-irc 18:06:22 trackbot has joined #aapi 18:06:22 Sorry, but this channel isn't in my configuration. 18:06:22 If you want to associate this channel with an existing Tracker, please say 'trackbot, associate this channel with #channel' (where #channel is the name of default channel for the group) 18:06:39 trackbot: this is aapi 18:06:39 Sorry, clown, I don't understand 'trackbot: this is aapi'. Please refer to for help. 18:07:28 trackbot, associate this channel with #aapi 18:07:28 Associated this channel with #aapi. 18:07:28 Sorry, but this channel isn't in my configuration. 18:07:28 If you want to associate this channel with an existing Tracker, please say 'trackbot, associate this channel with #channel' (where #channel is the name of default channel for the group) 18:07:41 trackbot, associate this channel with #pf 18:07:41 Associated this channel with #pf. 18:08:05 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jan/0015.html 18:08:36 regrets: Cynthia 18:08:49 Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter 18:08:49 sorry, davidb, I do not recognize a party named 'Mozilla' 18:08:57 Zakim, who is on the call? 18:08:57 sorry, davidb, I don't know what conference this is 18:08:58 On IRC I see trackbot, RRSAgent, Zakim, clown, davidb, MichaelC 18:09:43 zakim, who's here? 18:09:43 sorry, clown, I don't know what conference this is 18:09:44 On IRC I see trackbot, RRSAgent, Zakim, clown, davidb, MichaelC 18:09:53 zakim, this is #aapi 18:09:53 sorry, clown, I do not see a conference named '#aapi' in progress or scheduled at this time 18:10:15 zakim, this is #pf 18:10:15 sorry, clown, I do not see a conference named '#pf' in progress or scheduled at this time 18:11:53 zakim, what conferences do you see> 18:11:53 I don't understand 'what conferences do you see>', clown 18:11:59 zakim, what conferences do you see? 18:11:59 I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM, HTML_WG()12:00PM, WAI_UAWG()1:00PM, Team_Global(review)8:00AM, WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM active 18:12:02 also scheduled at this time are TAG_Weekly()1:00PM, T&S_Track(editors)1:00PM 18:12:46 zakim, this is WAI_PF 18:12:46 ok, clown; that matches WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM 18:13:26 action-891? 18:13:26 ACTION-891 -- Matthew King to write testable statements for aria-describedby -- due 2012-03-05 -- OPEN 18:13:26 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/891 18:13:35 agenda: this 18:13:56 agenda+ ACTION-891: Write testable statements for aria-describedby: issue with UAIG mapping table for UAI -- no field to put description into. 18:14:11 agenda+ ISSUE-486 UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5 (ACTION-1136) 18:14:30 agenda+ Issues/Actions review: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10 18:14:43 agenda+ Bugzilla review https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=ARIA&component=Platform%20APIs&list_id=3116 18:14:49 agenda+ be done 18:14:54 scribenick: clown 18:15:45 next agendum 18:16:01 action-891? 18:16:01 ACTION-891 -- Matthew King to write testable statements for aria-describedby -- due 2012-03-05 -- OPEN 18:16:01 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/891 18:17:45 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property_table 18:18:30 really a question for Cynthia, but she is not here. 18:18:37 next agendum 18:18:57 issue-486? 18:18:57 ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open 18:18:58 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486 18:22:59 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_tabindex 18:28:04 resolution: keep the "Controlling focus with tabindex" secition in the UAIG, and write test cases for it when the UAIG is in CR. They will most likely pass. 18:28:30 resolved: keep the "Controlling focus with tabindex" secition in the UAIG, and write test cases for it when the UAIG is in CR.  They will most likely pass. 18:29:20 RESOLVED: keep the "Controlling focus with tabindex" secition in the UAIG, and write test cases for it when the UAIG is in CR.  They will most likely pass. 18:29:43 next agendum 18:30:02 DB: want to use the rest of the time to work on my action. 18:30:51 action-983? 18:30:51 ACTION-983 -- David Bolter to create MSAA/IA2 special case test cases from existing generated test cases for the tables. -- due 2012-03-14 -- OPEN 18:30:51 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/983 18:31:26 action-1102? 18:31:26 ACTION-1102 -- David Bolter to get someone to look at the SHOULD statements in the Role Mapping table. Can these be changed from "SHOULD be exposed" to "expose as" -- due 2012-07-25 -- OPEN 18:31:26 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1102 18:31:42 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table 18:33:24 DB: a button that gets an aria-pressed attribute after the page has loaded, might not be exposed as a toggle button. 18:33:48 DB: if you change the role in MSAA, you should destroy the object, and create a new one. 18:33:57 JS: that's in the spec, for all AAPIs. 18:34:31 JS: if aria-pressed is present from the beginning, any reason to not expose as toggle button? 18:34:35 DB: let me check the code. 18:35:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 18:35:35 DB: actually it should work dynamically as well. So, it should work in FF. 18:36:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 18:38:39 JS: next one is listbox role. under AT-SPI 18:39:23 DB: looking at ATK. 18:40:30 DB: feel like asking joanie if that is correct — that a LIST_BOX becomes a MENU when owed by a combobox. 18:43:08 DB: found a ATK to UIA mapping that suggest it becomes a menu. 18:43:31 DB: I'm inclined to remove the 'SHOULD be' here. 18:43:34 was here http://www.mono-project.com/Accessibility:_UiaAtkBridge 18:44:30 JS: next one is option. if the OPTION has a parent that is MENU, then the OPTION is exposed as MENU_ITEM. 18:44:56 DB: I'm ok with removing the SHOULD. 18:46:16 JS: next one is aria-label and Apple's AX. I'll ask James about that one. 18:46:47 JS: next is aria-level, in the IA2 column. 18:49:05 DB: I'm trying to understand the purpose of that statement, 18:49:41 DB: I guess it's trying to say that the cleaned up a11y tree structure should match the aria-level value. 18:49:58 DB: I would take it out. 18:51:19 ACTION: Joseph to replace the "should be" the sentence "The structure should be reflected in the accessibility tree as directed by aria-level" with "is". 18:51:20 Created ACTION-1145 - Replace the "should be" the sentence "The structure should be reflected in the accessibility tree as directed by aria-level" with "is". [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-01-17]. 18:55:12 JS: next is aria-owns 18:55:37 DB: the IE team may be doing something dangerous here, namely, changing the structure of the a11y tree. 18:56:01 DB: FF doesn't do that. It would make the code fragile. 18:56:41 DB: these "should"s probably predate the columns... 18:56:56 DB: probably make these actual SHOULD (normative). 18:58:40 JS: that's a question for Cynthia, since the "should be" is in the UIA columns. 18:58:59 JS: also there is a "should not be" in the IA2 column. Change that to an "is"? 18:59:12 JS; "is not" 19:00:54 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/110 19:05:09 ACTION: Joseph to change the "should not" in "The accessibility tree should not be modified." to "is not" for aria-owns property in UAIG state/properties table. 19:05:09 Created ACTION-1146 - Change the "should not" in "The accessibility tree should not be modified." to "is not" for aria-owns property in UAIG state/properties table. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-01-17]. 19:06:00 JS: next one is aria-posinset. Looks same as aria-level. 19:17:52 JS: one more under menu, a "SHOULD not be" 19:19:22 DB: I don't know what that is talking about. 19:19:36 DB: needs more text to explain what that is about. 19:20:09 ACTION: David Bolter to explain ATK/AT-SPI menu role mapping "SHOULD NOT be" note. 19:20:09 Created ACTION-1147 - Bolter to explain ATK/AT-SPI menu role mapping "SHOULD NOT be" note. [on David Bolter - due 2013-01-17]. 19:21:01 -[Mozilla] 19:21:17 Zakim, Mozilla was David_Bolter_The_Magnificent 19:21:17 I don't understand you, davidb 19:21:46 RRSAgent, stop log 19:21:46 I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop log', clown. Try /msg RRSAgent help 19:22:18 zakim, please part 19:22:18 leaving. As of this point the attendees were [Mozilla], [GVoice] 19:22:18 Zakim has left #aapi 19:22:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 19:23:12 present+ David Bolter 19:23:42 present+ David_Bolter 19:23:45 present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:23:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 19:24:19 present- Mozilla 19:24:26 present- GVoice 19:24:31 present- David 19:24:37 present- Bolter 19:24:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 19:25:11 present- [GVoice] 19:25:21 present- [Mozilla] 19:25:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 19:26:04 chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:26:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 19:30:36 meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference: UAIG 19:30:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html clown 19:38:37 rrsagent, please part 19:38:37 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-actions.rdf : 19:38:37 ACTION: Joseph to replace the "should be" the sentence "The structure should be reflected in the accessibility tree as directed by aria-level" with "is". [1] 19:38:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-irc#T18-51-19 19:38:37 ACTION: Joseph to change the "should not" in "The accessibility tree should not be modified." to "is not" for aria-owns property in UAIG state/properties table. [2] 19:38:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-irc#T19-05-09 19:38:37 ACTION: David Bolter to explain ATK/AT-SPI menu role mapping "SHOULD NOT be" note. [3] 19:38:37 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-irc#T19-20-09