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15:09:34 <stevebattle> Resolved: Minutes of February 4, 2013 approved
15:09:34 <stevebattle> Resolved: Minutes of February 4, 2013 approved
<stevebattle> topic: Tracking of actions and issues
15:09:59 <stevebattle> No open actions closed
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15:10:09 <stevebattle> No pending issues
15:10:09 <stevebattle> No pending issues

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<Arnaud> Guest: Cody Burleson, Base22
<Arnaud> Chair: Arnaud
15:00:32 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #ldp
15:00:32 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/11-ldp-irc
15:00:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:00:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
15:00:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
15:00:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
15:00:37 <trackbot> Date: 11 February 2013
15:00:50 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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15:01:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:01:13 <Zakim> +TallTed
15:01:21 <dret> dret has joined #LDP
15:01:36 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
15:01:36 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
15:01:39 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:01:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.214.537.aaaa, JohnArwe, Arnaud, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], TallTed (muted)
15:01:39 <sergio> Zakim: [IPcaller] is me
15:01:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see dret, rgarcia, RRSAgent, antonis, Zakim, JohnArwe, stevebattle, Ashok, TallTed, SteveS, sergio, cygri, bblfish, AndyS, bhyland, oberger, Arnaud, betehess, trackbot,
15:01:41 <Zakim> ... Yves, sandro, ericP
15:01:44 <Ashok> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:01:44 <Zakim> +Ashok; got it
15:01:51 <Zakim> +??P13
15:01:59 <sergio> Zakim: [IPcaller.a] is me
15:02:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:12 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:02:13 <Zakim> +??P17
15:02:16 <dret> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:02:16 <Zakim> +dret; got it
15:02:18 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
15:02:18 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
15:02:25 <Zakim> +SteveBattle
15:02:28 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.214.537.aaaa, JohnArwe, Arnaud, Ashok, [IPcaller.a], TallTed (muted), ??P13, dret, SteveS, ??P17, SteveBattle
15:02:30 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P17 is me
15:02:30 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
15:02:43 <AndyS> zakim, ??P13 is me
15:02:43 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
15:02:45 <sergio> Zakim: [IPcaller.a] is me
15:02:49 <AndyS> (maybe)
15:02:58 <roger> roger has joined #ldp
15:03:40 <sergio> I guess [IPcaller.a] is me, but Zakim is ignoring my commands
15:03:48 <Arnaud> zakim, who is here?
15:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.214.537.aaaa, JohnArwe, Arnaud, Ashok, [IPcaller.a], TallTed (muted), AndyS, dret, SteveS, rgarcia, SteveBattle
15:03:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see roger, dret, rgarcia, RRSAgent, antonis, Zakim, JohnArwe, stevebattle, Ashok, TallTed, SteveS, sergio, cygri, bblfish, AndyS, bhyland, oberger, Arnaud, betehess,
15:03:50 <Zakim> ... trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP
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15:04:07 <JohnArwe> zakim, aaaa is Cody
15:04:07 <Zakim> +Cody; got it
15:04:19 <Zakim> +roger
15:04:41 <nmihindu> nmihindu has joined #ldp
15:04:56 <sergio> zakim: [IPcaller.a] is me
15:05:23 <sergio> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
15:05:24 <Zakim> +sergio; got it
15:05:33 <Zakim> -TallTed
15:06:33 <Arnaud> zakim, who's here?
15:06:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, Ashok, sergio, AndyS, dret, SteveS, rgarcia, SteveBattle, roger
15:06:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see nmihindu, krp, roger, dret, rgarcia, RRSAgent, antonis, Zakim, JohnArwe, stevebattle, Ashok, TallTed, SteveS, sergio, cygri, bblfish, AndyS, bhyland, oberger, Arnaud,
15:06:38 <Zakim> ... betehess, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP
15:06:38 <Zakim> +??P12
15:07:33 <stevebattle> I'm happy to volunteer
15:07:36 <TallTed> apologies; pulled into an urgent call.  *may* be able to rejoin later.
15:07:49 <dret> thanks, stevebattle!
15:08:33 <stevebattle> scribe: stevebattle
15:08:49 <cody> cody has joined #ldp
15:08:51 <Zakim> +??P27
15:08:53 <Ashok> scribenick: stevebattle
15:09:06 <stevebattle> topic: Minutes from last week
15:09:08 <krp> zakim, ??P27 is me
15:09:08 <Zakim> +krp; got it
15:09:14 <stevebattle> Proposed accept minutes
15:09:21 <SteveS> +1
15:09:21 <dret> +1
15:09:26 <sergio> +1
15:09:34 <stevebattle> Resolved: Minutes of February 4, 2013 approved
<stevebattle> topic: Tracking of actions and issues
15:09:59 <stevebattle> No open actions closed
15:10:09 <stevebattle> No pending issues
<stevebattle> No raised issues
<stevebattle> topic: Open issues
15:10:13 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P12 is me
15:10:13 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
15:10:20 <stevebattle> subtopic: Issue-10 Guidance around ETags
15:10:35 <sergio> issue-10
15:10:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Include clarifications and guidance around ETags -- open
15:10:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/10
15:10:49 <JohnArwe> +1
15:10:51 <rgarcia> +1 :)
15:10:51 <stevebattle> Propose that we accept Raúl's change
15:10:55 <roger> +1
15:10:55 <SteveS> +1
15:10:56 <stevebattle> +1
15:10:57 <dret> +1
15:11:01 <Ashok> +1
15:11:05 <sergio> +1
15:11:09 <krp> +1
15:11:10 <nmihindu> +1
15:11:12 <Arnaud> +1
15:11:56 <cody> +1
15:11:57 <Zakim> +Yves
15:12:01 <JohnArwe> (from agenda) link to change proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Feb/0053.html
15:12:04 <dret> all issues can be found here: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues
15:12:33 <Yves> +1
15:12:35 <stevebattle> proposal carried: issue-10 closed
<stevebattle> Resolved: Close Issue-10, accepting Raúl's proposed change
15:12:43 <dret> specific ones on the agenda usually are linked from the agenda, such as http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.11]
15:12:53 <stevebattle> subtopic: Issue-34: Aggregation proposals 
15:12:49 <sergio> issue-34
15:12:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open
15:12:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34
15:13:39 <Zakim> +bblfish
15:13:57 <stevebattle> Arnaud: We should use John's proposal as a reference. 3 pages with different concept is too difficult.
15:14:06 <stevebattle> I'd like to narrow the scope.
15:14:21 <stevebattle> Maybe we can even close issue 34?
15:14:35 <Arnaud> q?
15:14:35 <stevebattle> The ontology is still up for discussion
15:14:47 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-34 Aggregation proposals selecting John's proposal as the basis moving forward.
15:14:55 <SteveS> +1
15:14:58 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-34
15:15:11 <SteveS> Direct link: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Issue-34:_Back_to_Basics
15:15:17 <rgarcia> +q
15:15:31 <Arnaud> ack rgarcia
15:15:45 <stevebattle> Raul: This proposal doesn't entail any chnage in the specification right now?
15:15:56 <roger> I just think that the unresolved topics will just continue in the refinement of Johns proposal, or they will spill over into issue 37 ...
15:15:58 <stevebattle> s/chnage/change/
15:16:04 <rgarcia> +1
15:16:06 <stevebattle> That's correct
15:16:06 <AndyS> +1
15:16:09 <sergio> +1
15:16:22 <dret> +1
15:16:26 <nmihindu> +1
15:16:27 <Ashok> +1
15:16:32 <Arnaud> +1
15:16:34 <krp> +1
15:16:55 <JohnArwe> @roger: certainly some things unresolved.  just in the course of doing the wiki page I found a couple (listed at bottom) and said they're follow-ons
15:17:16 <cody> 0 (unfamiliar with details of the issue)
15:17:31 <bblfish> What is resolved?
15:17:32 <JohnArwe> ...the old tradeoff of solving all problems with it vs some useful subset + further evolution
15:17:35 <stevebattle> Issue Resolved
15:17:36 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-34 Aggregation proposals selecting John's proposal as the basis moving forward.
15:17:43 <bblfish> ah
15:17:44 <bblfish> ok
15:17:45 <stevebattle> The issue is resolved
15:18:41 <stevebattle> Ta
15:19:26 <stevebattle> Arnaud: One of the main differences is the class hierarchy - this might be a separate issue we can open. If you have a separate proposal please submit.
15:19:46 <stevebattle> subtopic : LDP Model
15:19:58 <JohnArwe> issue-37?
15:19:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open
15:19:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37
15:20:41 <stevebattle> Arnaud: I didn't see much discussio. EripP drafted material for the spec to introduce the model. Henry added additional material. We need to choose one rather than accumulating more text.
15:21:07 <bblfish> I think it's probably ok for the moment, there was a lot of discussion
15:21:47 <bblfish> Sorry, I don't hear much from here.
15:22:00 <stevebattle> Arnaud: (To bblfish) what was your motivation in adding the text?
15:22:09 <Arnaud> we hear you fine
15:22:46 <stevebattle> bblfish: We agree that creating a container is possible - may need an issue for container creation.
15:23:05 <cody> Thanks, @John. This is very educational so far. I already have some good ideas of things to go offline and review/study after this call (throughout the week).
15:23:10 <stevebattle> Aranud: Was this a choice between your's and EricP's text?
15:23:39 <stevebattle> bblfish: Yes it was another proposal (we couldn't edit the original at that time).
15:23:59 <stevebattle> s/Aranud/Arnaud/
15:24:30 <stevebattle> s/EricP/Eric/
15:24:36 <Arnaud> q?
15:24:48 <stevebattle> s/Eric/dret/
15:24:50 <JohnArwe> the text we're talking about is http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37#Proposed_Spec_Section_.28for_the_LDP_Spec.29 right?
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15:25:04 <dret> ok, will do.
15:25:16 <bblfish> yes that's the text
15:25:17 <SteveS> JohnArwe: right
15:25:20 <stevebattle> subtopic: Issue-11 Server-managed properties
15:25:21 <sergio> issue-11
15:25:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 -- Do we need to define server-managed properties or do we leave them to applications? -- open
15:25:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/11
15:25:45 <Zakim> +??P30
15:25:49 <dret> AndyS, i will send my comparison/combination of the two porposals to the list. this is how we should get convergence.
15:25:57 <svillata> Zakim, ??P30 is me
15:25:57 <Zakim> +svillata; got it
15:26:10 <stevebattle> Arnaud: Should we close or have a discussion?
15:26:16 <dret> all, if you have more comments/alternatives/criticisms, please send them to the list, and it will be my task to address them
15:26:18 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-11 Server-managed properties accepting Raúl's proposed change.
15:26:25 <bblfish> q+
15:26:33 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
15:26:55 <sergio> q+
15:26:56 <stevebattle> bblfish: This is about the Atom model. Is metadata in the content or the header.
15:27:24 <SteveS> creating a container is a different open issue
15:27:25 <stevebattle> bblfish: I'm not sure about this anymore.
15:27:29 <Arnaud> ack sergio
15:28:05 <stevebattle> sergio: I'd prefer to keep both options open at this stage.
15:28:15 <Zakim> +EricP
15:28:33 <stevebattle> sergio: I don't want to confuse the status of the server with the content.
15:29:08 <SteveS> +1 (to accept Raúl's proposal)
15:29:26 <sergio> q+
15:29:31 <stevebattle> I don't see how these could be confused.
15:30:04 <bblfish> q+
15:30:07 <stevebattle> Arnaud: The spec says the server SHOULD ignore these values. Raúl wants to leave it open.
15:30:20 <Arnaud> ack sergio
15:30:45 <JohnArwe> Arnaud said MUST, not SHOULD, ignore.  Which, aside from caps, is what the spec copy/paste says in the issue body.
15:30:55 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
15:30:57 <stevebattle> sergio: These properties aren't intended for server data, only resource metadata.
15:31:39 <Zakim> +sandro
15:31:46 <stevebattle> bblfish: Is there a requirement that these metadata properties should be synchronized with the content?
15:31:49 <bblfish> ok
15:31:50 <Yves> and what about properties in the headers and in the content diverging?
15:32:43 <stevebattle> bblfish: You shouldn't be able to change properties such as time?
15:33:21 <stevebattle> SteveS: The relationship with link headers needs a new issue.
15:34:01 <dret> i think i'd even say MAY ignore, or "MAY choose to manage server-side". we should just list those that clients SHOULD be prepared to see, because they are designated as part of the LDP protocol.
15:34:15 <dret> +1
15:34:20 <cody> +1
15:34:21 <rgarcia> +1
15:34:22 <roger> +1
15:34:22 <svillata> +1
15:34:23 <SteveS> +1
15:34:23 <bblfish> It's certainly more efficient. Otherwise servers have to look at the whole content
15:34:28 <JohnArwe> +1
15:34:31 <sergio> +1
15:34:32 <stevebattle> Proposal: Close - accept Raúl's proposal. The server May use these heaader properties
15:34:34 <stevebattle> +1
15:34:37 <nmihindu> +1
15:34:37 <bblfish> +0
15:34:44 <krp> +0
15:34:49 <Yves> +0, bordeline -1
15:35:15 <stevebattle> yves: What if you have properties that conflict between header and content?
15:35:39 <stevebattle> q+
15:35:54 <bblfish> ah I see
15:36:05 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle
15:36:06 <dret> if we define the protocol to even allow conflicting location of data, then we really should say which one has preference. but in the end, maybe it's safer to simply not allow data in different locations.
15:36:33 <ericP> stevebattle: it's important to be able to permit the metadata to disagree with the headers
15:36:43 <ericP> s/headers/content/
15:36:50 <Yves> as dret says
15:36:55 <Yves> avoid conflict, or be explicit
15:37:06 <stevebattle> dret: We should have a clear model for which takes precedence.
15:37:14 <dret> i'd prefer to avoidn conflict. adds conmplexity and brittleness.
15:37:22 <Yves> yep
15:37:22 <AndyS> On GET, return both? One over the other? Add a "meta" flag to request?
15:37:50 <dret> AndyS, return both what?
15:38:10 <AndyS> dret - property values
15:38:32 <stevebattle> Arnaud: close issue-11
<Arnaud> Resolved: Close ISSUE-11 Server-managed properties accepting Raúl's proposed change.
15:38:38 <bblfish> q+
15:38:42 <stevebattle> close issue-11
15:38:42 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-11 Do we need to define server-managed properties or do we leave them to applications?.
15:38:48 <svillata> q?
15:38:51 <dret> zakim, pick an issue
15:38:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick an issue', dret
15:39:21 <bblfish> Issue-36
15:39:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-36 -- Can applications create new containers? -- open
15:39:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/36
15:39:25 <stevebattle> bblfish: what about issue 36
15:39:28 <sergio> +1 to issue-36
15:39:30 <stevebattle> subtopic: Issue-36 Can applications create new containers?
15:39:56 <stevebattle> Arnaud: I believe the answer is Yes - but doesn't specify how it is done.
15:40:04 <bblfish> q?
15:40:26 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
15:40:29 <stevebattle> Arnaud: Just create a resource with the right type.
15:40:55 <stevebattle> bblfish: Sounds reasonable. Use a POST with content of type container, or content with link type Container?
15:41:26 <dret> i'd prefer POSTing a container representation that contains all the metadata that's required to create a container
15:41:45 <stevebattle> Arnaud: This header link type isn't in the spec right now?
15:41:49 <Zakim> -sergio
15:41:55 <stevebattle> SteveS: confirms
15:41:59 <sergio> q?
15:42:03 <sergio> q+
15:42:10 <SteveS> I prefer POSTing a container representation, just like any other resource type
15:42:11 <Arnaud> ack sergio
15:42:46 <stevebattle> sergio: The issue is - Do you want to introspect the data when creating the container?
15:43:58 <SteveS> q+
15:44:07 <stevebattle> Arnaud: 1) The spec allows it job done 2) Make it explicit in the spec
15:44:19 <bblfish> ?
15:44:22 <dret> what's the implementation impact of "data introspection"? you have to process and validate the incoming data against protocol errors anyway, so spotting some simple pattern to dispatch to "container creation" is not such a big deal.
15:44:33 <stevebattle> AndyS: It all works until you want to create a container in a container.
15:45:08 <Arnaud> ack steves
15:45:08 <stevebattle> AndyS: We're approaching a solution; this is just about the details.
15:45:23 <dret> i think we shouldn't constrain conatiners to always being hierarchical. many things on the web are sets/bags of things, and not trees.
15:46:11 <stevebattle> SteveS: I'm thinking along the lines of no special mechanism. It's the same as for resources. Do we need to say anything - it might be helpful to introduce informative text to explain how containers are 'born'.
15:46:15 <dret> i think we should have examples around container creation. people will want to know.
15:46:30 <dret> +1 to what SteveS said
15:46:39 <bblfish> +1
15:46:48 <bblfish> yes, we should clarify. It's a cool feature
15:47:10 <stevebattle> Aranud: SHould we close, requesting editors to explain the birds & the bees?
15:47:28 <stevebattle> s/Aranud/Arnaud/
15:47:56 <Arnaud> q?
15:47:59 <stevebattle> Arnaud: Do you want to make a proposal (Henry)? (about linke headers)
15:48:07 <stevebattle> s/linke/link/
15:48:36 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: close ISSUE-36, leaving to the editors to propose some text clarifying how this is done in the spec
15:48:43 <stevebattle> +1
15:48:53 <SteveS> +1
15:48:55 <bblfish> +1
15:48:58 <krp> +1
15:49:12 <Arnaud> +1
15:49:13 <svillata> +1
15:49:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:49:17 <nmihindu> +1
15:49:20 <rgarcia> +1
15:49:21 <sergio> +1
15:49:23 <roger> +1
15:49:26 <dret> +1
15:49:47 <stevebattle> close issue-36
15:49:47 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-36 Can applications create new containers?.
<Arnaud> Resolved: close ISSUE-36, leaving to the editors to propose some text clarifying how this is done in the spec
15:50:11 <stevebattle> SteveS: What about issue-33
15:50:22 <stevebattle> subtopic: Issue-33 Pagination for non-container resources
15:51:39 <stevebattle> Arnaud: People wanted containers for the pagination mechanism. Should we move pagination to LDP Resource (Containers would inherit it).
15:52:11 <dret> paging is always "page by", right? how would that work when you cannot "page by member"?
15:52:36 <stevebattle> SteveS: Simply change restriction on the predicate used.
15:52:39 <JohnArwe> @dret, are you asking "what are the units of paging"?
15:52:58 <dret> yes, AnyS. hard to imagine what to even page by.
15:53:08 <dret> s/Anys/AndyS/
15:53:22 <sergio> q+
15:53:39 <JohnArwe> by "triple" seems the obvious answer
15:53:40 <stevebattle> Arnaud: The history is amusing because we had pagination for all resources in the original. We felt it needed simplification.
15:53:43 <Arnaud> ack sergio
15:54:01 <stevebattle> sergio: This rule breaks general linked data principles.
15:54:20 <ericP> your factoring it out had the desired effect of making LDBP easier for people to understand and use as a starting place
15:54:22 <stevebattle> q+
15:54:29 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle
15:54:32 <dret> paging often is a URI Template driven process with: page size, page number, or it is driven jyst by opaque URIs for prev and next. what to page by is almost always implicit. how is that specified in the generlized model?
15:54:32 <ericP> s/it out/pagination out/
15:54:33 <SteveS> q+
15:55:12 <JohnArwe> in the spec it is opaque; just next (and optionally prev) links
15:55:14 <bblfish>  Agree: this does not seem to break Linked Data principles
15:55:15 <stevebattle> stevebattle: The Linked Data API supports pagination.
15:55:34 <stevebattle> What do you page by?
15:55:43 <AndyS> LDA does not paginate graphs - it paginates by the (list) results
15:55:47 <Arnaud> ack steves
15:56:00 <AndyS> LDA is not only graphs out.
15:56:01 <stevebattle> Arnaud: Page on the entire content of the resource, not a specific predicate.
15:56:17 <dret> you just page by triples in a pretty much random bag of triples?
15:56:38 <JohnArwe> I think there is a pageSize URI query parm, that's where units would arise.
15:56:46 <stevebattle> SteveS: The server is often best placed to know how to page the content.
15:57:25 <ericP> i'd qualify arnaud's explaination with the caveat is possible when there are some logical partitions within the data. even if it's triples with a predicate starting with a, and b, ...
15:57:34 <stevebattle> Arnaud: The first and subsequent pages have different URIs so this is consistent with the model.
15:57:34 <ericP> dret, does that make sense to you?
15:57:59 <dret> how is that going to be stable over time, when the triples are more or less randomly arranged? i must be missing something here?
15:58:06 <bblfish> I am happy with a general mechanism
15:58:26 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: close ISSUE-33: adding pagination for non-container resources
15:58:33 <stevebattle> +1
15:58:35 <dret> ericP, i see a lot of tight coupling ot brittleness in there, but i still think i must be missing something.
15:58:36 <bblfish> +1
15:58:37 <SteveS> +1
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15:58:41 <svillata> +1
15:58:42 <sergio> +0
15:58:50 <AndyS> +0
15:59:01 <Arnaud> +1
15:59:06 <krp> +1
15:59:07 <dret> and ot course there's always HTTP, if you really just want to serve partitions of bigger resources. HTTP does support this natively...
15:59:08 <JohnArwe> @dret, "stable" paging was server impln choice.
15:59:11 <AndyS> (unclear on paginating graphs - triples, entities, random?)
15:59:11 <JohnArwe> +1
15:59:13 <rgarcia> +1
15:59:13 <nmihindu> +1
15:59:16 <dret> -1
15:59:20 <sergio> same than AndyS
15:59:26 <sandro> +1
15:59:28 <roger> sorry, too much to decide on that right now. -1
15:59:31 <sergio> q+
15:59:41 <ericP> q+ to propose that the next step is a use case
15:59:47 <stevebattle> dret: I don't understand how this is supposed to work.
15:59:57 <Arnaud> ack ericp
15:59:57 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose that the next step is a use case
16:00:19 <cody> +0 (kind of agree with Eric. need to see how this is useful in a scenario)
16:00:24 <stevebattle> EricP: The next step should be a use-case, to ensure that we undertstand how to use pagination in a non-container.
16:00:30 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:00:38 <sergio> q-
16:00:40 <dret> if it's just serving big data, we really should look at HTTP: it can do this out of the box.
16:00:40 <sergio> ok
16:00:47 <SteveS> If a server or app can't do paging, it don't need to
16:00:51 <bblfish> thanks
16:00:54 <svillata> thanks
16:00:54 <stevebattle> adjourned
16:00:55 <Zakim> -roger
16:00:57 <Zakim> -sandro
16:00:58 <Zakim> -bblfish
16:00:58 <Zakim> -EricP
16:00:59 <dret> thanks everybody!
16:00:59 <Zakim> -Yves
16:00:59 <Zakim> -Ashok
16:00:59 <SteveS> s/it don't/it doesn't/
16:01:00 <Zakim> -Cody
16:01:02 <Arnaud> meeting adjourned
16:01:03 <Zakim> -krp
16:01:04 <Zakim> -rgarcia
16:01:04 <Zakim> -svillata
16:01:05 <Zakim> -dret
16:01:05 <Zakim> -SteveS
16:01:06 <Zakim> -AndyS
16:01:07 <stevebattle> Thanks Arnaud, bye
16:01:08 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
16:01:11 <Zakim> -Arnaud
16:01:15 <Zakim> -SteveBattle
16:01:16 <Zakim> -nmihindu
16:01:18 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
16:01:18 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.214.537.aaaa, JohnArwe, Arnaud, TallTed, Ashok, dret, SteveS, SteveBattle, rgarcia, AndyS, Cody, roger, sergio, krp, nmihindu, Yves, bblfish, svillata, EricP,
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