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13:56:21 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #ldp 13:56:21 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-irc 13:56:22 <kalpa> kalpa has joined #ldp 13:56:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 181 13:56:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 13:56:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 13:56:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference 13:56:26 <trackbot> Date: 18 June 2012 13:56:35 <betehess> chair: Arnaud 13:56:37 <betehess> scribe: Alexandre 13:56:42 <betehess> scribenick: betehess 13:57:18 <betehess> RRSAgent, please generate minutes 13:57:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html betehess 13:57:34 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone? 13:57:34 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has not yet started, AndyS 13:57:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, olberger, Yves, trackbot, ericP 13:57:50 <olberger> cgueret_work: in chinese ? 13:58:13 <olberger> cgueret_work: so yes I can ;) 13:58:18 <rgarcia> rgarcia has joined #ldp 13:58:28 <ruben1> ruben1 has joined #ldp 13:58:40 <MacTed> Zakim, this is ldp 13:58:40 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM 13:58:44 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here? 13:58:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +1.408.996.aaaa, ??P3, +1.510.206.aabb, [IBM] 13:58:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see ruben1, rgarcia, kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, olberger, Yves, 13:58:47 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP 13:58:49 <Zakim> +??P6 13:58:53 <Zakim> -??P3 13:59:03 <Arnaud> it really sounds like he's on this call 13:59:22 <Zakim> + +329331aacc 13:59:29 <Zakim> +??P7 13:59:33 <AndyS> zakim, ??P7 is me 13:59:33 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it 13:59:41 <ruben1> zakim, aacc is ruben 13:59:42 <Zakim> +ruben; got it 13:59:43 <Zakim> +Alexandre 13:59:43 <Zakim> +EricP 13:59:43 <Zakim> +Sandro 13:59:45 <dret> zakim, dret is +1.510.206.aabb 13:59:45 <Zakim> sorry, dret, I do not recognize a party named 'dret' 13:59:49 <AndyS> zakim, who is making noise? 13:59:52 <MacTed> Zakim, code? 13:59:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed 14:00:00 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (63%), ??P1 (39%), +1.408.996.aaaa (7%) 14:00:02 <Zakim> +[OpenLink] 14:00:05 <dret> zakim, +1.510.206.aabb is dret 14:00:05 <Zakim> +dret; got it 14:00:16 <Zakim> + +44.190.863.aadd 14:00:20 <Zakim> +Yves 14:00:20 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me 14:00:20 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it 14:00:22 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me 14:00:23 <Zakim> +mhausenblas 14:00:25 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted 14:00:27 <betehess> Arnaud: welcome everybody 14:00:29 <Zakim> +??P14 14:00:33 <Zakim> + +1.361.279.aaee 14:00:49 <ruben1> Zakim, mute me 14:00:49 <Zakim> ruben should now be muted 14:00:53 <Zakim> + +1.845.433.aaff 14:01:07 <kalpa> could I know the code for the phone number to connect? 14:01:07 <cygri> cygri has joined #ldp 14:01:17 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me 14:01:18 <Zakim> +cygri; got it 14:01:19 <ruben1> code is LDPWG 14:01:22 <ericP> Zakim, aaff is john 14:01:22 <Zakim> +john; got it 14:01:37 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy? 14:01:45 <olberger> can the roomate of the chinese speaker please mute ? 14:01:47 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (76%), ??P1 (42%), +1.408.996.aaaa (50%), ??P14 (5%), +1.361.279.aaee (5%) 14:01:51 <ghard> Zakim, ??P14 is ghard 14:01:51 <Zakim> +ghard; got it 14:01:52 <kalpa> in the conference call settings, is the code 53794? 14:01:59 <ruben1> code is 53794 14:02:03 <MacTed> kalpa - yes 14:02:08 <kalpa> okay thnx 14:02:14 <Andras> Andras has joined #ldp 14:02:14 <ericP> Zakim, who is here? 14:02:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +1.408.996.aaaa, dret, [IBM], ??P6, ruben (muted), AndyS, MacTed (muted), +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, mhausenblas, ghard, +1.361.279.aaee, john 14:02:25 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, cygri 14:02:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see Andras, cygri, ruben1, rgarcia, kalpa, RRSAgent, Zakim, dret, Arnaud, betehess, svillata, MacTed, achille_zappa, SteveS, mhausenblas, cgueret_work, AndyS, ghard, 14:02:35 <Zakim> ... olberger, Yves, trackbot, ericP 14:02:41 <betehess> Arnaud: fore the first cll, thought it would be useful to see how we'll proceed 14:02:49 <cgueret_work> Zakim, who is noisy? 14:02:54 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aagg 14:02:57 <betehess> ... worked with the staff to see how we'll do that 14:03:00 <Zakim> cgueret_work, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (33%), ??P1 (15%), +1.408.996.aaaa (90%) 14:03:02 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p0 14:03:03 <Zakim> ??P0 should now be muted 14:03:06 <ericP> Zakim, please mute aaaa 14:03:06 <Zakim> +1.408.996.aaaa should now be muted 14:03:10 <ericP> Zakim, please unmute aaaa 14:03:10 <Zakim> +1.408.996.aaaa should no longer be muted 14:03:13 <cgueret_work> :) 14:03:22 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p1 14:03:22 <Zakim> ??P1 should now be muted 14:03:31 <ericP> Zakim, aaaa is Arnaud 14:03:31 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it 14:03:38 <betehess> ... when we have no remaining issues, then we're done 14:03:43 <mkerrin> mkerrin has joined #ldp 14:03:51 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mkerrin is with me 14:03:51 <Zakim> +mkerrin; got it 14:03:53 <betehess> ... in term of expectation, we are driven by the charter 14:04:00 <betehess> ... it sets the scope and deliverables 14:04:08 <betehess> ... there are 4 of them 14:04:16 <betehess> ... there is a note about ACLs 14:04:38 <betehess> ... as some people said it was an important issues, other people disagreed 14:04:44 <Zakim> +??P28 14:04:47 <betehess> ... because it may consume too much resource 14:04:53 <betehess> ... the note was a compromise 14:05:09 <betehess> ... the last deliverable is a test suite 14:05:10 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P28 is rgarcia 14:05:10 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it 14:05:19 <dret> yes, i will try to do so, we will talk about how to update use cases and requirements later. everybody should have the opportunity to contribute. 14:05:21 <betehess> ... for me, the note and the TS are secondary for now 14:05:26 <betehess> ... we need to focus on the spec 14:05:35 <Andras> Zakim, +1.361.279.aaee is Andras 14:05:35 <Zakim> +Andras; got it 14:05:42 <betehess> .... we have a starting point: the IBM submission 14:05:49 <betehess> ... we'll develop from it 14:06:01 <betehess> ... we have some use-cases as well 14:06:42 <betehess> ... we're free to change whatever we need, even though this is the starting point (as it's said in the charter) 14:06:53 <mhausenblas> I think we really need to put some efforts into the UC (and derive requirements, properly) 14:07:23 <betehess> ... we need to identify the questions and see how the Submission answers them 14:07:36 <betehess> ... sure that you guys have plenty of questions 14:07:37 <dret> yes, that's the first big task for the group. what exactly are we doing; what are we not doing? 14:07:45 <betehess> ... that's a practical way to get started 14:07:57 <betehess> .... we stay focus on producing a set of documents 14:08:02 <betehess> ... sounds reasonable? 14:08:28 <betehess> ... we can also considerer other materials 14:08:36 <betehess> ... I welcome any reference to them 14:08:43 <dret> who is there? 14:08:45 <betehess> ... there may be other ways to do things 14:09:01 <betehess> ... it's useful to have these references 14:09:10 <betehess> ... eg. the sparql graph store protocol 14:09:18 <betehess> ... there is obviously some overlap 14:09:48 <betehess> ... if there is a good reason to compete there, we need to document it 14:10:00 <betehess> dret: good intro, welcome everybody 14:10:09 <betehess> Arnaud: for today, we want everybody on the same page 14:10:26 <betehess> ... @@ will give you an overview of the Submission 14:10:39 <mhausenblas> s/@@/Steve 14:10:53 <AndyS> s/@@/Steve Speicher/ 14:11:11 <betehess> SteveS: how should I proceed? should I just take questions? 14:11:24 <betehess> Arnaud: depends on the team. just make sure it's recorded 14:11:37 <jacekk> jacekk has joined #ldp 14:11:38 <MacTed> +1 skim to start, inline questions if necessary, issues and more detailed feedback later... 14:11:38 <Yves> issues needs to be on the ML 14:12:00 <betehess> Arnaud: there is a bot on IRC to record issues 14:12:23 <betehess> Yves: for issues, the best is to start with an email on the ML 14:12:35 <betehess> ... so that we can refer to it from trackbot 14:12:54 <betehess> ... then you can put the reference in IRC 14:13:02 <betehess> Arnaud: ok 14:13:13 <betehess> ... so if people are questions, just raise them on IRC 14:13:22 <betehess> ... for real issues, please send an email to the list 14:13:26 <SteveS> Member Submission envelope page http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/02/ 14:13:41 <SteveS> Use case and requirements http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/02/ 14:13:46 <mhausenblas> BTW, the tracker for this WG is here: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/ 14:13:46 <betehess> SteveS: that's a like to the cover page of the Member Submission 14:13:49 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbpucr-20120326/ 14:13:49 <ericP> topic: Submission walk-through 14:14:18 <betehess> SteveS: want to focus on why this is important for us 14:14:29 <betehess> ... related to the workshop we had 14:15:26 <betehess> ... my background is system integration 14:15:34 <olberger> mhausenblas: https://twitter.com/#!/sspeiche too 14:16:59 <betehess> ... I'm doing that at Oracle 14:16:59 <betehess> ... our problem was integration between tools 14:16:59 <betehess> ... we needed some glue code for the data 14:17:01 <betehess> ... and we needed to work with 3rd parties 14:17:03 <betehess> ... data was spread in different silos 14:17:08 <betehess> ... very limited success 14:17:09 <betehess> ... we started with "rules" from timbl 14:18:33 <betehess> [steve is going through their experience and needs at Oracle] 14:18:59 <MacTed> s/Oracle/IBM/ 14:19:05 <olberger> IBM Rational 14:19:44 <betehess> SteveS: we need gather lots of different data 14:20:55 <betehess> Arnaud: we'll all contribute to this document 14:21:03 <Zakim> -??P6 14:21:08 <betehess> ... maybe we could move this content to a wiki page? 14:21:20 <betehess> ... ericP, how do we work? 14:21:36 <betehess> ... only one person who edits the page? or everybody can? 14:21:58 <MacTed> +1 chaotic wiki to start, organized polish later 14:21:59 <John> John has joined #ldp 14:22:05 <cgueret_work> +1 to everyone edit 14:22:07 <ericP> s/ericP, how do we work?/erik, how do we work?/ 14:22:16 <betehess> SteveS: who's taking the action? 14:22:21 <betehess> Arnaud: I will 14:22:58 <betehess> Arnaud: so to get started, people can add their use-cases 14:23:09 <betehess> ... then we can review as a group what belongs there 14:23:15 <betehess> dret: ok 14:23:39 <SteveS> Linked Data Basic Profile 1.0 Member Submission - http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-ldbp-20120326/ 14:23:44 <betehess> Arnaud: let's move on to the spec 14:23:57 <olberger> http://www.w3.org/Submission/ldbp/ 14:24:09 <betehess> dret: this documentation tries to capture some of the requirements and use-cases 14:24:23 <betehess> ... we look at patterns that have emerged 14:24:34 <betehess> ... http/rdf best practices 14:24:37 <dret> it's SteveS talking now, not me 14:24:41 <betehess> ... how to read linked data 14:24:42 <jacekkopecky> jacekkopecky has joined #ldp 14:24:50 <ericP> s/dret/SteveS/ 14:25:43 <betehess> ... we don't go through acls, security, etc. 14:25:49 <betehess> ... or schema-like things 14:26:08 <betehess> ... some terminology: we made sure we didn't create anything new 14:26:21 <betehess> ... if we do so, we define the terms 14:26:30 <betehess> ... jump to section 4 14:26:44 <betehess> ... what are resources in this context? 14:26:48 <ericP> SteveS, we introduce Basic Profile Resource and Basic Profile Container 14:27:07 <ghard> Aren't the container hierarchies already sufficiently expressed in SIOC/AtomOWL? 14:27:17 <betehess> ... what are the relationship with the type of resources, the value types, the vocabulary 14:27:35 <betehess> ... some stuff is already defined in HTTP 14:28:35 <betehess> ... RDF is not the only thing 14:28:48 <betehess> ... stable urls are used across definitions of the resource 14:29:08 <betehess> ... the response must have the right urls to help not having different names 14:29:37 <betehess> ... people must be speaking about the same things 14:29:52 <betehess> ... there are some requirements about RDF type 14:30:12 <betehess> ... you should not have to infer it 14:30:16 <jacekk> jacekk has joined #ldp 14:30:22 <betehess> ... keep it as simple as possible 14:30:37 <betehess> ... uris are resolvable, hence the use of http 14:30:56 <betehess> ... we can provide an rdf schema to know more about the data 14:31:11 <ruben> ruben has joined #ldp 14:31:26 <ericP> SteveS: we restrict ourselves to a set of known datatypes 14:32:28 <betehess> ... use triple for relationships between resources 14:32:44 <ericP> ... (instead of inventing a link relationship) 14:32:45 <betehess> ... don't create a weird machinery 14:33:10 <betehess> ... etags should help for caching scenarios 14:33:25 <olberger> 4.2 : verbs 14:33:32 <betehess> ... so of course, GET must be supported 14:34:04 <Arthur> Arthur has joined #ldp 14:34:07 <betehess> ... there are questions about which serialisations to support 14:34:10 <ericP> ... MUST support application/rdf+xml, SHOULD support text/turtle 14:34:40 <betehess> ... the type of the resource is not expected to change 14:35:10 <ruben1> ruben1 has joined #ldp 14:35:29 <betehess> q? 14:36:15 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask about process 14:36:20 <Zakim> + +1.512.651.aahh 14:36:25 <betehess> ... the etag questions was raised on the ML by leigh dodds 14:36:34 <cygri> commonscribe++ 14:36:45 <betehess> mhausenblas: some WG started to use commonscribe, but no problem here 14:36:57 <Arthur> zakim, +1.512.651.aahh is me 14:36:57 <Zakim> +Arthur; got it 14:37:09 <betehess> ericP: how complex is it? 14:37:11 <Zakim> +??P34 14:37:14 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/ 14:37:18 <betehess> mhausenblas: ask sandro 14:37:27 <mhausenblas> q? 14:37:41 <betehess> ericP: I'll do 14:38:01 <betehess> SteveS: section 4.3 14:38:06 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe 14:38:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-06-25]. 14:38:22 <betehess> ... http post works as expected.... 14:38:36 <olberger> mhausenblas: obviously not ;) 14:38:58 <Zakim> -??P34 14:39:11 <betehess> ... http put brings some problems, like how to deal with state and modifications 14:39:27 <betehess> ... 4.4 defines the expected behaviour 14:39:42 <mhausenblas> q? 14:39:50 <betehess> ... want to ensure that data can be updated 14:40:21 <mhausenblas> ack me 14:40:21 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask about process 14:40:36 <betehess> mhausenblas: what is the possibility re: handling issues? 14:40:49 <ericP> MIG531 has Sandro 14:40:56 <betehess> ... someone raises one and the chairs is the one deciding if it's reasonable? 14:41:00 <Zakim> +Sandro; got it 14:41:05 <betehess> Arnaud: good question 14:41:10 <betehess> ... let's be democratic 14:41:19 <betehess> ... so I'm tempted to let anybody to bring issues 14:41:36 <betehess> mhausenblas: raising issues is cheap, anybody can to it 14:41:48 <betehess> ... but who decides how to go from 'raised to 'open? 14:42:04 <ghard> +1 be easy on raising issues. Can amend policy later if pro�ves infeasible. 14:42:08 <betehess> ... does not have to be decided now, just need a policy 14:42:23 <MacTed> +1 anyone RAISE; Chair may arbitrarily bump to OPEN; WG as whole should decide to reject/close/ignore/etc.... 14:42:30 <betehess> ... everybody should be able to raise issues 14:42:38 <betehess> ... and then let the chairs to accept them 14:42:51 <betehess> ... to make sure we're not going out of scope 14:42:57 <betehess> dret: sounds reasonable 14:43:09 <ericP> PROPOSED: anyone may RAISE and issue, chairs may OPEN CLOSE, REJECT, etc 14:43:14 <mhausenblas> +1 14:43:23 <betehess> Arnaud: yes, also people can alway complains if something going wrong 14:43:32 <Yves> +1 14:43:35 <betehess> +1 14:43:36 <ghard> +1 14:43:40 <ericP> PROPOSED: anyone may RAISE an issue, chairs may OPEN CLOSE, REJECT, etc 14:43:43 <SteveS> +1 14:43:44 <JohnArwe> +1 14:43:47 <cygri> �+1 14:43:48 <MacTed> +0 14:43:51 <svillata> +1 14:43:53 <Andras> +1 14:43:55 <ericP> APPROVED 14:43:56 <ruben1> +1 14:43:56 <dret> +1 14:44:02 <Arthur> +1 14:44:43 <betehess> SteveS: of course, DELETE means delete 14:44:46 <ericP> topic: Summarizing remaining bits of LDBP 14:44:52 <betehess> ... it may affect other things 14:45:03 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #ldp 14:45:09 <betehess> ... PATCH is a good way to do things, but we have no solution here yet 14:45:11 <ericP> SteveS: we've not supplied a proposed PATCH format 14:45:12 <sandro> sandro has joined #ldp 14:45:19 <ericP> ... there's a TurtlePatch on the W3C wiki 14:45:20 <betehess> ... we're still experimenting 14:45:33 <ericP> ... we're working on somthing of our own and are happy to bring it to the group 14:45:46 <Yves> note that we need to test things, so having a patch format (even incomplete) would be useful 14:46:00 <betehess> ... re: Container, I won't go into details 14:46:21 <betehess> ... it reflect the patterns we've observed 14:46:31 <betehess> ... eg. how you get list of resources 14:46:35 <ericP> SteveS: factory URLs are the same as Container URLs 14:46:39 <betehess> ... especially when they are big 14:46:58 <betehess> ... also, you don't always want to fetch all urls you found 14:47:18 <betehess> ... there are examples for that 14:47:51 <betehess> ... the Containers also deal with how to create resources 14:48:02 <betehess> ... and see how it relates to the model 14:48:19 <betehess> ... there is an example to get the container with content 14:48:57 <Zakim> -Andras 14:49:14 <betehess> ... 4.5.2 deals with retrieving partial data 14:49:28 <betehess> ... you say what you're interested in 14:49:51 <SteveS> GET /container1?non-member-properties HTTP/1.1 14:49:52 <SteveS> Host: example.org 14:49:52 <SteveS> Accept: text/turtle; charset=UTF-8 14:50:02 <betehess> ... just pasted an example from the spec 14:50:23 <betehess> ... where you say what property you're interested in 14:50:38 <betehess> ... 5.1.3 allows pagins 14:50:46 <betehess> ... can be decided by the server 14:50:52 <ericP> http://example.org/container1?firstPage 14:50:55 <JohnArwe> s/pagins/paging/ 14:51:05 <betehess> ... so you need to go back to the server to get the rest 14:51:34 <betehess> ... we found that there are other things that you may want to do 14:51:39 <betehess> ... we kept it simple 14:52:06 <betehess> ... also, performance are important 14:52:07 <ghard> 206 partial content? 14:52:08 <ericP> server passed back a document with identifies bp:nextPage, e.g. http://example.org/container1?p=2 14:52:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: Wondering if we can really re-use RFC5005 as pointed out by dret - will you raise an issue on that, dret? 14:52:38 <ghard> k 14:52:46 <betehess> ... there are other models than that 14:52:46 <ericP> SteveS: i think 206 involves splitting a document 14:53:02 <olberger> RFC 5005 - Feed Paging and Archiving 14:53:05 <betehess> ... re: ordering, again, there are other solutions 14:53:29 <betehess> ... interesting in OLO 14:53:41 <ericP> -> http://smiy.sourceforge.net/olo/spec/orderedlistontology.html Ordered List Ontology 14:54:02 <betehess> ... the model already has the predicates 14:54:09 <betehess> ... the server can include new statements 14:54:39 <betehess> ... the default ordering is the one in SPARQL 14:55:10 <betehess> Arnaud: thank you steve 14:55:37 <betehess> ... best way to ask questions: send them to the list 14:55:38 <dret> generally speaking, we should raise the question of how much we want to reuse existing machinery/standards 14:56:33 <betehess> ... I'd like to ask people to send reference to related work 14:57:04 <betehess> ... graph store protocol is a w3c spec, so we really cannot ignore it 14:57:09 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2012/01/http-rdf-update/#http-post -> SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol 14:57:24 <betehess> ... maybe LeeF can bring some history here? 14:57:32 <betehess> ... maybe not on the phone 14:57:41 <ghard> http://sioc-project.org/ontology re containers 14:58:10 <mhausenblas> dret, what would the answer to such a question be? as much as possible? I don't think it makes sense in the general case. we need to write down the requirements (based on the UC) and of course we should re-use as much as possible and avoid NIH syndrome :) 14:58:14 <sandro> action: sandro set up commonscribe 14:58:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Set up commonscribe [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-06-25]. 14:58:39 <betehess> ericP: sandro is taking the action re: commonscribe 14:58:43 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: Lee said back at 10:45 he was unable to attend this call 14:58:55 <dret> mhausenblas, NIH is a big risk, but you're right, we need a frame of reference 14:59:03 <betehess> Arnaud: thank you all 14:59:06 <betehess> ... adjourned 14:59:06 <Zakim> - +44.190.863.aadd 14:59:07 <cgueret_work> bye 14:59:07 <Zakim> -john 14:59:08 <Zakim> -Arthur 14:59:08 <ghard> Bye 14:59:09 <Zakim> -rgarcia 14:59:10 <olberger> thanks all 14:59:11 <Zakim> -dret 14:59:11 <Zakim> -Arnaud 14:59:12 <Zakim> -[IBM] 14:59:12 <Zakim> -Yves 14:59:13 <Zakim> -MacTed 14:59:14 <Zakim> -ruben 14:59:15 <mhausenblas> Michael: thanks all and looking forward! 14:59:16 <Zakim> -AndyS 14:59:17 <betehess> RRSAgent:, please generate minutes 14:59:17 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand ', please generate minutes', betehess. Try /msg RRSAgent help 14:59:18 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aagg 14:59:21 <betehess> RRSAgent, please generate minutes 14:59:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html betehess 14:59:22 <Zakim> -mhausenblas 14:59:25 <Zakim> -ghard 14:59:26 <Zakim> -??P0 14:59:54 <svillata> -svillata 14:59:54 <ruben1> ruben1 has left #ldp 15:00:27 <svillata> svillata has left #ldp 15:00:45 <betehess> trackbot, end telecon 15:00:45 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees 15:00:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.408.996.aaaa, [IBM], +329331aacc, AndyS, ruben, dret, Alexandre, ericP, +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, MacTed, mhausenblas, +1.845.433.aaff, 15:00:46 <AndyS> adjourned 15:00:48 <Zakim> ... cygri, john, ghard, +1.937.775.aagg, Arnaud, mkerrin, rgarcia, Andras, Arthur, Sandro 15:00:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes 15:00:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/18-ldp-minutes.html trackbot 15:00:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye 15:00:55 <svillata> svillata has joined #ldp 15:01:08 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public 15:01:32 <svillata> svillata has left #ldp 15:02:50 <ericP> sandro proposed that as well 15:04:57 <svillata> svillata has joined #ldp 15:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, ??P1, in SW_LDP()10:00AM 15:05:02 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended 15:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.996.aaaa, [IBM], +329331aacc, AndyS, ruben, dret, Alexandre, ericP, +44.190.863.aadd, Yves, MacTed, mhausenblas, +1.845.433.aaff, cygri, john, ghard, 15:05:02 <Zakim> ... +1.937.775.aagg, Arnaud, mkerrin, rgarcia, Andras, Arthur, Sandro 15:06:01 <betehess> betehess has joined #ldp 15:09:15 <JohnArwe> JohnArwe has joined #ldp 15:09:18 <olberger> Is there a RDF profile for the WG ? 15:09:57 <JohnArwe> JohnArwe has joined #ldp 15:11:00 <sandro> hmmm. what would that mean? 15:11:25 <olberger> some kind of a DOAP document for the WG participants for instance 15:12:53 <Arnaud> I have to admit not to know what you're talking about 15:13:32 <olberger> Arnaud: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Description_of_a_Project 15:13:58 <olberger> I could add this to my FOAF profile in order to state my participation to the WG, for instance 15:14:05 <olberger> s/add/link/ 15:14:11 <Arnaud> ah ok 15:14:16 <Arnaud> now I understand :) 15:14:31 <olberger> i.e. eating our own dog feed at least for GET parts of the LDP 15:14:40 <sandro> It would be nice. 15:14:48 <Arnaud> I don't see any reason not to 15:15:01 <Arnaud> would you care to propose one? 15:15:08 <olberger> yeah... wondering if the wiki of W3.org is semantic 15:15:16 <olberger> or the portal 15:15:33 <olberger> Arnaud: I may 15:15:40 <Arnaud> that's a question for the team 15:15:55 <Arnaud> I don't see why anyone would object 15:16:07 <Arnaud> ok 15:16:56 <sandro> There's a web-accessible database of the people in the group, but unfortunately it's not currently RDF and doesn't have IRIs for the members. :-( http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/api/dump 15:17:21 <olberger> funny 15:17:52 <sandro> The first part of that I could probably fix, but the user profiles don't seem to want to dive in ahead of the curve on user identity IRIs. 15:19:14 <sandro> And actually there's a *very* interesting question (to me), which is would you want exactly one IRI for yourself in all your activities at W3C -- in different groups, etc -- or would you want one IRI per group/activity, which you could like with a sameAs relationship? 15:19:42 <sandro> (For human users, you'd probably want a different IRI per group. At least, you might, for your introduction.) 15:20:57 <olberger> sandro: dunno 15:22:43 <sandro> I take it back. Your user profile DOES have a place for a "foaf" URI. Maybe I'll take an hour and code up an RDF interface to this stuff. Probably not this week. 15:23:59 <olberger> ok, that'd be cool 15:24:52 <abstractj> abstractj has joined #ldp 15:41:31 <AndyS> AndyS has left #ldp 15:41:42 <AndyS> AndyS has joined #ldp 16:19:40 <mkerrin> mkerrin has joined #ldp 17:03:18 <sspeiche> sspeiche has joined #ldp 17:04:06 <sspeiche_> sspeiche_ has joined #ldp 17:13:52 <Zakim> Zakim has left #ldp 17:52:10 <sspeiche> sspeiche has joined #ldp 19:05:29 <AndyS> AndyS has joined #ldp 20:02:57 <abstractj> abstractj has joined #ldp # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000445