None.
<sandro> Guest: Ivan Herman, W3C
<sandro> Guest: chong Gu, Huawei
<sandro> Guest: Francois (tidoust) Daoust, Joshfire
<sandro> Guest: Jonathan Dray
<sandro> Guest: Hadley Beeman, LinkedGov
<sandro> Present: David, Sandro, Raúl, Nandana, EricP, Cygri, Bart, Kevin, Ruben, Arnaud, Ashok, Serena, Alexandre, SteveS, Henry, Armin, Antonis, Olivier, SteveB, Roger
<sandro> Around Table, in order: Ivan, David, Sandro, Chong, Raúl, Nandana, EricP, Cygri, Bart, Kevin, Ruben, Arnaud, Ashok, Serena, Alexandre, SteveS, Henry, Armin, Antonis, Francois, Olivier, SteveB, Roger
Sandro Hawke: Around Table, in order: Ivan, David, Sandro, Chong, Raúl, Nandana, EricP, Cygri, Bart, Kevin, Ruben, Arnaud, Ashok, Serena, Alexandre, SteveS, Henry, Armin, Antonis, Francois, Olivier, SteveB, Roger ←
<sandro> Around Edge of Room: Hadley, Jonathan, unknown
Sandro Hawke: Around Edge of Room: Hadley, Jonathan, unknown ←
<sandro> Remote: AndyS, Yves
07:57:35 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-irc ←
07:57:44 <betehess> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
Alexandre Bertails: RRSAgent, please generate minutes ←
07:57:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html betehess
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html betehess ←
07:58:05 <betehess> chair: Arnaud
07:58:23 <ArnaudLH> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st
07:58:59 <betehess> betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ]
Alexandre Bertails: betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] ←
07:59:08 <betehess> present+ Alexandre_Bertails
Alexandre Bertails: present+ Alexandre_Bertails ←
07:59:14 <betehess> betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (no space)
Alexandre Bertails: betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (no space) ←
07:59:26 <betehess> betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself, eg. [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (no space)
Alexandre Bertails: betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself, eg. [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (no space) ←
07:59:57 <oberger> who said arrival, coffee in the program ?
Olivier Berger: who said arrival, coffee in the program ? ←
08:07:12 <Ruben> present+ Ruben_Verborgh
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Ruben Verborgh: present+ Ruben_Verborgh ←
08:07:28 <betehess> s|who said arrival, coffee in the program ?||
Alexandre Bertails: s|who said arrival, coffee in the program ?|| ←
08:07:29 <oberger> present+ Olivier Berger
Olivier Berger: present+ Olivier_Berger ←
08:07:40 <betehess> s/Olivier Berger/Olivier_Berger/
08:08:11 <betehess> betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself, eg. [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (NO_SPACE)
Alexandre Bertails: betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself, eg. [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (NO_SPACE) ←
08:08:41 <jonathandray> present+ Jonathan Dray
Jonathan Dray: present+ Jonathan_Dray ←
08:08:52 <betehess> s/Jonathan Dray/Jonathan_Dray/
08:09:00 <roger> present+ Roger Menday
Roger Menday: present+ Roger_Menday ←
08:09:11 <betehess> s/Roger Menday/Roger_Menday/
08:09:13 <ericP> Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B ←
08:09:13 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is ←
08:09:22 <SteveBattle> Do we have a hashtag?
Steve Battle: Do we have a hashtag? ←
08:09:43 <ericP> Zakim, please this ldp
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please this ldp ←
08:09:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please this ldp', ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'please this ldp', ericP ←
08:09:50 <ericP> Zakim, please this is ldp
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please this is ldp ←
08:09:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please this is ldp', ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'please this is ldp', ericP ←
08:09:55 <ericP> Zakim, this is ldp
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, this is ldp ←
08:09:55 <Zakim> ericP, I see SW_LDP()2:30AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be ldp".
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, I see SW_LDP()2:30AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be ldp". ←
08:09:59 <SteveS> present+ SteveSpeicher
Steve Speicher: present+ SteveSpeicher ←
08:10:03 <ericP> Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B ←
08:10:03 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is ←
08:10:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> present+ BartvanLeeuwen
Bart van Leeuwen: present+ BartvanLeeuwen ←
08:10:13 <ericP> Zakim, this will be ldp
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, this will be ldp ←
08:10:13 <Zakim> ok, ericP; I see SW_LDP()2:30AM scheduled to start 100 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; I see SW_LDP()2:30AM scheduled to start 100 minutes ago ←
08:10:14 <ericP> Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B ←
08:10:14 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; the call is being made ←
08:10:15 <Zakim> SW_LDP()2:30AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()2:30AM has now started ←
08:10:16 <Zakim> +St_Clair_3B
Zakim IRC Bot: +St_Clair_3B ←
08:10:21 <ArnaudLH> present+ Arnaud_Le_Hors
Arnaud Le Hors: present+ Arnaud_Le_Hors ←
08:10:26 <betehess> RRSAgent, please make minutes
Alexandre Bertails: RRSAgent, please make minutes ←
08:10:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html betehess
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html betehess ←
08:10:38 <oberger> SteveBattle, https://twitter.com/LDPWG i.e. @LDPWG seems an option
Olivier Berger: SteveBattle, https://twitter.com/LDPWG i.e. @LDPWG seems an option ←
08:10:40 <ericP> Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B ←
08:10:40 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; the call is being made ←
08:10:41 <Zakim> +St_Clair_3B.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +St_Clair_3B.a ←
08:10:50 <Zakim> -St_Clair_3B
Zakim IRC Bot: -St_Clair_3B ←
08:11:15 <ericP> Zakim, St_Clair_3B.a is St_Clair_3B
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, St_Clair_3B.a is St_Clair_3B ←
08:11:15 <Zakim> +St_Clair_3B; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +St_Clair_3B; got it ←
08:11:29 <oberger> ArnaudLH, are you the owner of @LDPWG ?
Olivier Berger: ArnaudLH, are you the owner of @LDPWG ? ←
08:13:39 <ArnaudLH> oberger: Erik is
Olivier Berger: Erik is [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ] ←
08:14:05 <oberger> but #LDPWG may be an interesting hashtag
Olivier Berger: but #LDPWG may be an interesting hashtag ←
08:14:35 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, who is here? ←
08:14:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see St_Clair_3B
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see St_Clair_3B ←
08:14:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see davidwood, rgarcia, antonis, Ashok_Malhotra, nmihindu, roger, jonathandray, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, FabGandon, chsiao_, svillata, ivan, tidoust, RRSAgent,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see davidwood, rgarcia, antonis, Ashok_Malhotra, nmihindu, roger, jonathandray, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, FabGandon, chsiao_, svillata, ivan, tidoust, RRSAgent, ←
08:14:36 <Zakim> ... BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, ArnaudLH, betehess, oberger, SteveS, ahaller2
Zakim IRC Bot: ... BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, ArnaudLH, betehess, oberger, SteveS, ahaller2 ←
08:14:37 <betehess> can you avoid uppercase?
Alexandre Bertails: can you avoid uppercase? ←
08:14:45 <betehess> eg. ldpwg
Alexandre Bertails: eg. ldpwg ←
08:15:07 <oberger> betehess, I guess it doesn matter much for twitter web app
Olivier Berger: betehess, I guess it doesn matter much for twitter web app ←
08:15:19 <oberger> but yes lowercase if you will
Olivier Berger: but yes lowercase if you will ←
08:16:29 <davidwood> Yes, twitter tags are case insensitive.
David Wood: Yes, twitter tags are case insensitive. ←
08:17:00 <SteveBattle> Where's the coffee?
Steve Battle: Where's the coffee? ←
08:17:40 <oberger> SteveBattle, shouldn't we ask Zakim ?
Olivier Berger: SteveBattle, shouldn't we ask Zakim ? ←
08:17:53 <oberger> crappy bots
Olivier Berger: crappy bots ←
08:18:03 <SteveBattle> zakim, where's the coffee?
Steve Battle: zakim, where's the coffee? ←
08:18:03 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, SteveBattle.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, SteveBattle. ←
08:18:46 <Ruben> *Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324*
Ruben Verborgh: *Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324* ←
08:19:45 <oberger> Ruben, would it make a use case to control a coffee pot through REST and RDF ?
Olivier Berger: Ruben, would it make a use case to control a coffee pot through REST and RDF ? ←
08:20:04 <Ruben> This could actually convince a lot of developers to turn to RDF.
Ruben Verborgh: This could actually convince a lot of developers to turn to RDF. ←
08:20:38 <oberger> using coffeescript ?
Olivier Berger: using coffeescript ? ←
08:21:30 <davidwood> http://coffeescript.org/
David Wood: http://coffeescript.org/ ←
08:30:41 <oberger> let's get it started
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Olivier Berger: let's get it started ←
08:30:53 <oberger> ArnaudLH, addressing us
Olivier Berger: ArnaudLH, addressing us ←
08:31:03 <betehess> topic: Welcome, logistics, short intro round, recap of meeting goals, agenda amendments
08:31:09 <betehess> scribenick: betehess
(Scribe set to Alexandre Bertails)
08:31:33 <betehess> ArnaudLH: let's go around the table, introduce yourself
Arnaud Le Hors: let's go around the table, introduce yourself ←
08:31:59 <betehess> ivan: Ivan Herman, W3C semweb lead
Ivan Herman: Ivan Herman, W3C semweb lead ←
08:32:05 <betehess> ... here as an observer
... here as an observer ←
08:32:46 <betehess> davidwood: David Wood, RDF WG
David Wood: David Wood, RDF WG ←
08:32:53 <Zakim> +Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves ←
08:32:53 <betehess> ... but also member of this group
... but also member of this group ←
08:33:34 <chong> chong
08:34:02 <rgarcia> rgarcia: Raúl GarcÃa-Castro, Ontology Engineering Group, Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
Raúl García Castro: Raúl GarcÃa-Castro, Ontology Engineering Group, Universidad Politécnica de Madrid [ Scribe Assist by Raúl García Castro ] ←
08:34:13 <nmihindu> Nandana Mihindukulasooriya from Ontology Engineering Group, Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Nandana Mihindukulasooriya from Ontology Engineering Group, Universidad Politécnica de Madrid ←
08:34:15 <ericP> Eric Prud'hommeaux
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Eric Prud'hommeaux ←
08:35:14 <cygri> Richard Cyganiak, DERI
Richard Cyganiak: Richard Cyganiak, DERI ←
08:35:34 <Ruben> Ruben / Ghent University â iMinds / PhD student Semantic Web & Web APIs
Ruben Verborgh: Ruben / Ghent University â iMinds / PhD student Semantic Web & Web APIs ←
08:35:36 <krp> Kevin Page, University of Oxford
Kevin Page: Kevin Page, University of Oxford ←
08:35:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> Bart van Leeuwen netage.nl (Startup Member)/ Fire Fighter Amsterdam
Bart van Leeuwen: Bart van Leeuwen netage.nl (Startup Member)/ Fire Fighter Amsterdam ←
08:35:51 <betehess> Alexandre Bertails aka. betehess, W3C Systeam Team. Already working actively on LDP implementation at https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf
Alexandre Bertails aka. betehess, W3C Systeam Team. Already working actively on LDP implementation at https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf ←
08:36:05 <SteveS> I'm Steve Speicher from IBM
Steve Speicher: I'm Steve Speicher from IBM ←
08:36:06 <svillata> Serena Villata, INRIA Sophia Antipolis
Serena Villata: Serena Villata, INRIA Sophia Antipolis ←
08:36:16 <antonis> Antonis Loizou, post-doc Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
Antonis Loizou: Antonis Loizou, post-doc Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam ←
08:36:17 <ahaller2> Armin Haller
Armin Haller: Armin Haller ←
08:36:50 <oberger> Olivier Berger aka oberger/olberger/obergix from Institut Telecom / Télécom SudParis
Olivier Berger: Olivier Berger aka oberger/olberger/obergix from Institut Telecom / Télécom SudParis ←
08:36:51 <tidoust> Francois Daoust from Joshfire. Working on JSON-LD within RDF WG. Observer.
Francois Daoust: Francois Daoust from Joshfire. Working on JSON-LD within RDF WG. Observer. ←
08:37:10 <SteveBattle> Steve Battle
Steve Battle: Steve Battle ←
08:38:25 <betehess> jonathandray: Jonathan Dray
Jonathan Dray: Jonathan Dray ←
08:39:06 <ericP> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
08:39:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see St_Clair_3B, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see St_Clair_3B, Yves ←
08:39:43 <jonathandray> Jonathan Dray, I worked for a Company called Social Computing on "Just Map It", a data mapping solution. I also worked on a project called SPAR for the BNF on data preservation with Alexandre Bertails. I an here as an observer.
Jonathan Dray: Jonathan Dray, I worked for a Company called Social Computing on "Just Map It", a data mapping solution. I also worked on a project called SPAR for the BNF on data preservation with Alexandre Bertails. I an here as an observer. ←
08:40:21 <AndyS> Andy Seaborne, Apache Software Foundation. Work with linked data building customer solutions. Also work on Apache Jena.
Andy Seaborne: Andy Seaborne, Apache Software Foundation. Work with linked data building customer solutions. Also work on Apache Jena. ←
08:40:38 <betehess> ArnaudLH: thanks all
Arnaud Le Hors: thanks all ←
08:40:49 <betehess> ... the agenda was a bit of a challenge
... the agenda was a bit of a challenge ←
08:41:03 <betehess> ... still on the early days
... still on the early days ←
08:41:16 <betehess> ... two main topics
... two main topics ←
08:41:30 <betehess> ... tried to split everything in chunks
... tried to split everything in chunks ←
08:41:41 <betehess> ... also tried to take timezones into accounts
... also tried to take timezones into accounts ←
08:41:54 <betehess> ... I'm flexible about these things
... I'm flexible about these things ←
08:42:18 <betehess> ... as AndyS was the only one to express specific interests in some topics, I'll try to honor them
... as AndyS was the only one to express specific interests in some topics, I'll try to honor them ←
08:42:24 <betehess> ... no other constraint
... no other constraint ←
08:42:41 <betehess> ... so just tell me to "move on"
... so just tell me to "move on" ←
08:42:58 <betehess> davidwood: how many people new to w3c?
David Wood: how many people new to w3c? ←
08:43:23 <betehess> [only a few]
[only a few] ←
08:44:04 <betehess> ArnaudLH: any question about the process, then just ask
Arnaud Le Hors: any question about the process, then just ask ←
08:44:09 <betehess> ... it's a nice place, don't worry
... it's a nice place, don't worry ←
08:44:53 <betehess> ArnaudLH is going through http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Objectives
ArnaudLH is going through http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Objectives ←
08:45:06 <betehess> ArnaudLH: I went back to the charter
Arnaud Le Hors: I went back to the charter ←
08:45:08 <oberger> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter
Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter ←
08:45:25 <betehess> ... we need to start speaking about some stuff
... we need to start speaking about some stuff ←
08:45:30 <betehess> ... eg. test suite
... eg. test suite ←
08:45:34 <betehess> ... and validator
... and validator ←
08:45:50 <betehess> ... lots of discussion during charter writing about ACLs
... lots of discussion during charter writing about ACLs ←
08:46:03 <betehess> ... some wanted that as a MUST
... some wanted that as a MUST ←
08:46:21 <betehess> ... could be a disaster for some, but for others, the platform may not make sense without it
... could be a disaster for some, but for others, the platform may not make sense without it ←
08:46:31 <betehess> ... the compromise was: a NOTE defining the requirements
... the compromise was: a NOTE defining the requirements ←
08:46:39 <betehess> ... these are the main deliverables
... these are the main deliverables ←
08:46:48 <betehess> ... also want to discuss next f2f meeting
... also want to discuss next f2f meeting ←
08:47:24 <betehess> ... the FPWD is basically the SUBMISSION annotated with issues
... the FPWD is basically the SUBMISSION annotated with issues ←
08:47:26 <oberger> FPWD http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp/
Olivier Berger: FPWD http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp/ ←
08:47:33 <betehess> ... we'lll go through the list of issues
... we'lll go through the list of issues ←
08:47:44 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
08:48:16 <betehess> ... also I want to discuss the path forward to REC
... also I want to discuss the path forward to REC ←
08:48:34 <betehess> ... glad to say that the group seems to have started doing good job
... glad to say that the group seems to have started doing good job ←
08:48:40 <betehess> ... eg. the FPWD
... eg. the FPWD ←
08:49:09 <betehess> ... again, we do have a charter, we need to try to stick to it as much of possible
... again, we do have a charter, we need to try to stick to it as much of possible ←
08:49:28 <betehess> ... regarding use case and requirements doc, it's a bit different
... regarding use case and requirements doc, it's a bit different ←
08:49:34 <betehess> ... not published it yet
... not published it yet ←
08:49:44 <betehess> ... we need to decide what this doc is really about
... we need to decide what this doc is really about ←
08:50:06 <betehess> ... steeve did a great job to put it together
... steeve did a great job to put it together ←
08:50:06 <betehess> ... but some stuff does not belong there
... but some stuff does not belong there ←
08:50:08 <oberger> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements
Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements ←
08:50:21 <betehess> ... but the plan was to put everything you wanted there first
... but the plan was to put everything you wanted there first ←
08:50:37 <betehess> Ashok_Malhotra: if you add a requirement
Ashok Malhotra: if you add a requirement ←
08:50:47 <ericP> q+ to ask SteveS if we should be looking at the editor's draft while discussing the LDP draft
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask SteveS if we should be looking at the editor's draft while discussing the LDP draft ←
08:50:47 <betehess> ... and the spec does not address it
... and the spec does not address it ←
08:50:53 <betehess> ... then it can be a problem
... then it can be a problem ←
08:51:21 <betehess> ack eri
ack eri ←
08:51:21 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask SteveS if we should be looking at the editor's draft while discussing the LDP draft
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask SteveS if we should be looking at the editor's draft while discussing the LDP draft ←
08:51:39 <betehess> ericP: is there something new in the ED since the FPWD?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: is there something new in the ED since the FPWD? ←
08:51:43 <betehess> ... where should be look at
... where should be look at ←
08:51:57 <betehess> steeve: not change much
Steve Speicher: not change much ←
08:51:59 <betehess> ... only locally
... only locally ←
08:52:17 <oberger> s/steeve/SteveS/
08:52:37 <betehess> ack me
ack me ←
08:53:09 <oberger> betehess: prioritize issues for people only present today
Alexandre Bertails: prioritize issues for people only present today [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
08:53:36 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
08:54:03 <betehess> oberger: would like to hear about implementations and validation
Olivier Berger: would like to hear about implementations and validation ←
08:54:27 <betehess> ... even if it's not mandatory in the charter
... even if it's not mandatory in the charter ←
08:54:34 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
08:54:40 <betehess> SteveS: wanted to review the path of the spec
Steve Speicher: wanted to review the path of the spec ←
08:54:45 <betehess> ... and the schedule
... and the schedule ←
08:55:06 <betehess> davidwood: maybe a wiki page for listing implementations
David Wood: maybe a wiki page for listing implementations ←
08:55:13 <betehess> ArnaudLH: good idea
Arnaud Le Hors: good idea ←
08:55:52 <betehess> ... the goal is to discuss the usecase and requirements this morning
... the goal is to discuss the usecase and requirements this morning ←
08:55:54 <oberger> q+ on which target audience we're seeking
Olivier Berger: q+ on which target audience we're seeking ←
08:56:02 <betehess> ... and the spec this afternoon
... and the spec this afternoon ←
08:56:42 <betehess> ArnaudLH: is this reasonable for now?
Arnaud Le Hors: is this reasonable for now? ←
08:56:59 <betehess> oberger: maybe would like to remind the target of this WG
Olivier Berger: maybe would like to remind the target of this WG ←
08:57:13 <betehess> ... eg, yesterday there was discussion about LD for devs
... eg, yesterday there was discussion about LD for devs ←
08:57:18 <betehess> ... Javascript was important
... Javascript was important ←
08:57:25 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
08:57:36 <betehess> ... just want to understand the objectives
... just want to understand the objectives ←
08:57:57 <betehess> ... would like to understand the stakeholders
... would like to understand the stakeholders ←
08:58:09 <betehess> ArnaudLH: what's your objective?
Arnaud Le Hors: what's your objective? ←
08:58:18 <betehess> oberger: understand better what is out of scope
Olivier Berger: understand better what is out of scope ←
08:58:30 <betehess> ... so fat, it's about resources and containers
... so fat, it's about resources and containers ←
08:58:44 <betehess> ... so people mentioned some other datastructures
... so people mentioned some other datastructures ←
08:59:15 <ArnaudLH> ack betehess
Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess ←
08:59:47 <ArnaudLH> ack oberger
Arnaud Le Hors: ack oberger ←
08:59:47 <Zakim> oberger, you wanted to comment on which target audience we're seeking
Zakim IRC Bot: oberger, you wanted to comment on which target audience we're seeking ←
09:00:02 <tidoust> betehess: I believe that it is clearly out of scope if you look at the charter. We may revisit that later on but should focus on what's on the charter. The topic is very important for me, but we need to stay focused.
Alexandre Bertails: I believe that it is clearly out of scope if you look at the charter. We may revisit that later on but should focus on what's on the charter. The topic is very important for me, but we need to stay focused. [ Scribe Assist by Francois Daoust ] ←
09:00:15 <betehess> ArnaudLH: the first answer in the charter
Arnaud Le Hors: the first answer in the charter ←
09:00:24 <betehess> ... defines the goals
... defines the goals ←
09:00:30 <betehess> ... then the usecase and requirement refine that
... then the usecase and requirement refine that ←
09:00:43 <betehess> ... we may conclude that we need something else
... we may conclude that we need something else ←
09:01:39 <betehess> oberger: if you look at the usecase, there are plenty of them, some redundant
Olivier Berger: if you look at the usecase, there are plenty of them, some redundant ←
09:01:48 <betehess> ... only a few requirements
... only a few requirements ←
09:02:10 <betehess> ... maybe we'll see a whole range of other things?
... maybe we'll see a whole range of other things? ←
09:02:24 <betehess> ... lack of imagination or just people staying on focus?
... lack of imagination or just people staying on focus? ←
09:02:43 <betehess> cygri: we may be missing some stuff
Richard Cyganiak: we may be missing some stuff ←
09:03:03 <betehess> ... if you see something like this, just say it
... if you see something like this, just say it ←
09:03:13 <betehess> ... let's nto brainstorming here at the f2f
... let's nto brainstorming here at the f2f ←
09:03:51 <betehess> ArnaudLH: anybody can make a proposal at any point
Arnaud Le Hors: anybody can make a proposal at any point ←
09:03:52 <davidwood> New wiki page for implementations, as requested: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Implementations
David Wood: New wiki page for implementations, as requested: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Implementations ←
09:04:12 <davidwood> (linked from the main page under Ongoing Work)
David Wood: (linked from the main page under Ongoing Work) ←
09:04:15 <betehess> SteveS: just make things as close as possible to what we have
Steve Speicher: just make things as close as possible to what we have ←
09:04:31 <betehess> ArnaudLH: let's speak about usecase and requirements
Arnaud Le Hors: let's speak about usecase and requirements ←
09:05:06 <betehess> ... we already have something good
... we already have something good ←
09:05:06 <betehess> ... we may want to remove things that don't belong there
... we may want to remove things that don't belong there ←
09:05:21 <betehess> ... normally, you start with that, then you start the docs
... normally, you start with that, then you start the docs ←
09:05:37 <betehess> ... here we started with the spec, we're still editing the UCR doc
... here we started with the spec, we're still editing the UCR doc ←
09:05:44 <SteveBattle> topic : Use Cases and Requirements
Steve Battle: topic : Use Cases and Requirements ←
09:05:52 <davidwood> q+
David Wood: q+ ←
09:06:02 <betehess> ... there is a good reason for this situation
... there is a good reason for this situation ←
09:06:25 <ArnaudLH> ack davidwood
Arnaud Le Hors: ack davidwood ←
09:06:36 <betehess> davidwood: just wanted to mention I created the implementation page
David Wood: just wanted to mention I created the implementation page ←
09:06:43 <betehess> ... we can use that to ground the use-case
... we can use that to ground the use-case ←
09:07:30 <betehess> ArnaudLH: I split the schedule in two
Arnaud Le Hors: I split the schedule in two ←
09:07:35 <betehess> ... the steps
... the steps ←
09:07:49 <betehess> ... and what's in the doc today
... and what's in the doc today ←
09:08:11 <betehess> ... also, what does it mean to have a requirement not addressed in the spec?
... also, what does it mean to have a requirement not addressed in the spec? ←
09:08:20 <betehess> ... eg. security is out-of-scope IMO
... eg. security is out-of-scope IMO ←
09:08:46 <betehess> SteveBattle: people started to collect stories together
Steve Battle: people started to collect stories together ←
09:08:51 <betehess> ... two sections
... two sections ←
09:08:57 <betehess> ... existing user stories
... existing user stories ←
09:09:13 <betehess> ... and the use cases
... and the use cases ←
09:09:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
Bart van Leeuwen: +q ←
09:09:35 <betehess> ... you find here scienarios
... you find here scienarios ←
09:09:45 <betehess> ... making the use cases more concrete
... making the use cases more concrete ←
09:09:53 <betehess> ... there are 10 of them so far
... there are 10 of them so far ←
09:10:08 <betehess> ... there used to be plenty of examples
... there used to be plenty of examples ←
09:10:19 <betehess> ... they are now somewhere else
... they are now somewhere else ←
09:11:06 <betehess> [describing a scenario]
[describing a scenario] ←
09:11:30 <betehess> ... there are also pointers to the issues that were raised
... there are also pointers to the issues that were raised ←
09:11:42 <oberger> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Examples
Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Examples ←
09:11:45 <betehess> ... focused on functional requirements
... focused on functional requirements ←
09:11:56 <sandro> RRSAgent, make logs public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
09:12:19 <betehess> ... functional requirement == what do you expect the system to do
... functional requirement == what do you expect the system to do ←
09:13:25 <betehess> ... functional is the how
... functional is the how ←
09:13:38 <ArnaudLH> ack bart
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bart ←
09:13:38 <betehess> BartvanLeeuwen: is it still open?
Bart van Leeuwen: is it still open? ←
09:13:41 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
09:13:45 <betehess> SteveBattle: it is still open
Steve Battle: it is still open ←
09:13:54 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
09:14:18 <betehess> ... for user stories, just go ahead
... for user stories, just go ahead ←
09:14:19 <ArnaudLH> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
09:14:23 <betehess> ... for requirements, just talk to me
... for requirements, just talk to me ←
09:14:24 <betehess> q-
q- ←
09:15:04 <betehess> SteveS: when I look at user scenarios, looks like we're too restrictive
Steve Speicher: when I look at user scenarios, looks like we're too restrictive ←
09:15:06 <betehess> ... eg. imposing 303
... eg. imposing 303 ←
09:15:06 <betehess> ... should be in the spec
... should be in the spec ←
09:15:08 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
09:15:37 <betehess> ... response codes are too much detail for example
... response codes are too much detail for example ←
09:16:15 <betehess> Ashok_Malhotra: there are other possible solutions
Ashok Malhotra: there are other possible solutions ←
09:17:06 <betehess> ... just pointing out that this is quite open
... just pointing out that this is quite open ←
09:17:14 <ericP> q+ to propose that another doc capture the very helpful groundings of the use cases
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to propose that another doc capture the very helpful groundings of the use cases ←
09:17:21 <betehess> ... so 303 may be too early
... so 303 may be too early ←
09:17:47 <betehess> SteveBattle: it is quite useful to know some things here
Steve Battle: it is quite useful to know some things here ←
09:17:56 <betehess> ... so it's useful to document
... so it's useful to document ←
09:17:57 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
09:17:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html ivan ←
09:18:10 <betehess> ... it's interesting to understand the sequence
... it's interesting to understand the sequence ←
09:18:22 <betehess> SteveS: it's supposed to drive the spec
Steve Speicher: it's supposed to drive the spec ←
09:18:40 <Ashok_Malhotra> q?
Ashok Malhotra: q? ←
09:18:46 <ericP> betehess: i read the UC&R as painging ourselves in a corner
Alexandre Bertails: i read the UC&R as painging ourselves in a corner [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
09:18:52 <ArnaudLH> ack bete
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bete ←
09:19:16 <ericP> ... there may be some recipes in the UC&R which we have yet to discuss
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... there may be some recipes in the UC&R which we have yet to discuss ←
09:19:34 <ArnaudLH> ack ericp
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp ←
09:19:34 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose that another doc capture the very helpful groundings of the use cases
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to propose that another doc capture the very helpful groundings of the use cases ←
09:19:49 <betehess> ericP: when I read UCR, I usely don't know anything
Eric Prud'hommeaux: when I read UCR, I usely don't know anything ←
09:19:54 <betehess> ... here I find many details
... here I find many details ←
09:20:14 <betehess> ... maybe you can put that stuff to another page
... maybe you can put that stuff to another page ←
09:20:14 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
09:20:24 <betehess> ... and you link those
... and you link those ←
09:20:37 <betehess> ... then the reader can ground things to examples
... then the reader can ground things to examples ←
09:20:48 <betehess> ... and we can compare different proposals
... and we can compare different proposals ←
09:21:02 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
09:21:32 <betehess> SteveBattle: use cases are requirements
Steve Battle: use cases are requirements ←
09:21:44 <betehess> cygri: this level of details can't be defined here
Richard Cyganiak: this level of details can't be defined here ←
09:21:51 <davidwood> q+ to suggest the implementations page be used to record the "where"
David Wood: q+ to suggest the implementations page be used to record the "where" ←
09:21:57 <betehess> ... there are specific deployment pattern that are used out there
... there are specific deployment pattern that are used out there ←
09:21:59 <Yves> +1 use case documents should not be a pre-spec, just general goals for the spec
Yves Lafon: +1 use case documents should not be a pre-spec, just general goals for the spec ←
09:22:16 <betehess> ... some things are already using 303 for example
... some things are already using 303 for example ←
09:22:34 <betehess> ... we may have to answer quesitons like to we support X? if not, why?
... we may have to answer quesitons like to we support X? if not, why? ←
09:22:44 <betehess> ... that's something I expect to see in the document
... that's something I expect to see in the document ←
09:23:04 <betehess> ... and at the end, we may just say that we recomment something else
... and at the end, we may just say that we recomment something else ←
09:23:09 <oberger> +1 we need such level of details for existing deployment patterns
Olivier Berger: +1 we need such level of details for existing deployment patterns ←
09:23:09 <ahaller2> q+
Armin Haller: q+ ←
09:23:30 <betehess> ... people want to say the way they expect this to work
... people want to say the way they expect this to work ←
09:23:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html ericP
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html ericP ←
09:24:08 <betehess> ... taking existing deployment into account is a valid point, should not be ignored
... taking existing deployment into account is a valid point, should not be ignored ←
09:24:16 <betehess> SteveS: +1 to eric
Steve Speicher: +1 to eric ←
09:24:20 <ArnaudLH> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
09:24:27 <betehess> ... we may have another wiki page
... we may have another wiki page ←
09:24:36 <krp> q+
Kevin Page: q+ ←
09:24:46 <betehess> ... where we can say how things match between the doc and the spec
... where we can say how things match between the doc and the spec ←
09:25:06 <betehess> ... would be bad to have to go back to UCR to change it
... would be bad to have to go back to UCR to change it ←
09:25:18 <ArnaudLH> ack bete
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bete ←
09:25:21 <betehess> ArnaudLH: for me, it's too much about the solution, not defining the solution
Arnaud Le Hors: for me, it's too much about the solution, not defining the solution ←
09:25:43 <SteveBattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
09:25:46 <oberger> betehess: I want to describe the problem, not the solution
Alexandre Bertails: I want to describe the problem, not the solution [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
09:25:55 <ericP> betehess: i don't want to describe the solution, i want to describe the problem, and then tie that to existing solutions
Alexandre Bertails: i don't want to describe the solution, i want to describe the problem, and then tie that to existing solutions [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
09:27:01 <ericP> ... when you speak of 303s (for folks who want to make a clear distinction between entity and page), some folks use #URIs
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... when you speak of 303s (for folks who want to make a clear distinction between entity and page), some folks use #URIs ←
09:27:19 <ericP> cygri: we don't want to throw it out based on the level of detail
Richard Cyganiak: we don't want to throw it out based on the level of detail [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
09:27:50 <ericP> betehess: if we don't end up matching the UC&R, do we delete UC&R?
Alexandre Bertails: if we don't end up matching the UC&R, do we delete UC&R? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
09:28:05 <ArnaudLH> ack david
Arnaud Le Hors: ack david ←
09:28:05 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to suggest the implementations page be used to record the "where"
Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood, you wanted to suggest the implementations page be used to record the "where" ←
09:28:10 <ericP> cygri: user stories give requirements; requirements give rise to features in the spec
Richard Cyganiak: user stories give requirements; requirements give rise to features in the spec [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
09:28:11 <betehess> davidwood: maybe a bit orthogonal
David Wood: maybe a bit orthogonal ←
09:28:18 <betehess> ... trying to capture the what and the how
... trying to capture the what and the how ←
09:28:19 <ericP> ... sometimes you have to go back. that's just how it is
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... sometimes you have to go back. that's just how it is ←
09:28:25 <betehess> ... the where may be missing
... the where may be missing ←
09:28:39 <betehess> ... eg. to answer waht use-cases are implemented or not
... eg. to answer what use-cases are implemented or not ←
09:28:53 <betehess> ... we need a place to track those
... we need a place to track those ←
09:29:18 <betehess> ... I agree it's too detalied in term of the guidance
... I agree it's too detalied in term of the guidance ←
09:29:24 <betehess> ... we would like to say things only once
... we would like to say things only once ←
09:29:30 <betehess> ... don't repeat yourself
... don't repeat yourself ←
09:29:44 <betehess> ... we could change this page to respect the use stories (the why)
... we could change this page to respect the use stories (the why) ←
09:30:04 <betehess> ... and point to the spec to see where it's discussed
... and point to the spec to see where it's discussed ←
09:30:04 <SteveS> we should also map the spec sections to the use cases, that way we have a good mapping implementations to uc to spec sections
Steve Speicher: we should also map the spec sections to the use cases, that way we have a good mapping implementations to uc to spec sections ←
09:30:06 <ArnaudLH> ack ahaller
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ahaller ←
09:30:13 <betehess> ahaller2: I find this useful to the end-user
Armin Haller: I find this useful to the end-user ←
09:30:19 <betehess> ... it says hwo to use the platform
... it says hwo to use the platform ←
09:30:37 <betehess> ArnaudLH: I think there is great material here
Arnaud Le Hors: I think there is great material here ←
09:30:46 <betehess> ... nobody is saying to throw it out
... nobody is saying to throw it out ←
09:30:53 <betehess> ... question is what's belong here
... question is what's belong here ←
09:31:02 <betehess> ... what is the spec going to address
... what is the spec going to address ←
09:31:18 <betehess> ... we don't just want to delete any of these
... we don't just want to delete any of these ←
09:31:36 <davidwood> s/waht/what/
09:31:39 <betehess> ... could be a note, or whatever, we decide that later
... could be a note, or whatever, we decide that later ←
09:32:04 <betehess> ... could a primer as well
... could be a primer as well ←
09:32:09 <betehess> s/could/could be/
09:32:15 <ArnaudLH> ack krp
Arnaud Le Hors: ack krp ←
09:32:24 <betehess> krp: could be confusing
Kevin Page: could be confusing ←
09:32:35 <betehess> ... what don't people like here?
... what don't people like here? ←
09:32:40 <betehess> ... to many steps?
... too many steps? ←
09:32:45 <betehess> s/to/too/
09:32:58 <betehess> ... at least, this is a clear requirement
... at least, this is a clear requirement ←
09:33:11 <betehess> ... could also be a test case
... could also be a test case ←
09:33:16 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
09:33:23 <ArnaudLH> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
09:34:07 <betehess> SteveBattle: what do you want to move out?
Steve Battle: what do you want to move out? ←
09:34:23 <ericP> q+ to propose that it may be most helpful to us to partition later and add an issue to say we plan to do so
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to propose that it may be most helpful to us to partition later and add an issue to say we plan to do so ←
09:34:26 <betehess> ... it's conventional to speak about the steps
... it's conventional to speak about the steps ←
09:34:38 <betehess> davidwood: the spec speaks about 303 in two places
David Wood: the spec speaks about 303 in two places ←
09:34:47 <betehess> ... also http verbs
... also http verbs ←
09:35:03 <ArnaudLH> ack bete
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bete ←
09:35:16 <ericP> betehess: what's there is valuable
Alexandre Bertails: what's there is valuable [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
09:35:28 <ericP> ... it's not about the value itself
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... it's not about the value itself ←
09:35:41 <ericP> ... this material is excellent for when i'm implementing the test
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... this material is excellent for when i'm implementing the test ←
09:35:55 <svillata> oberger +1
Serena Villata: oberger +1 ←
09:35:55 <ericP> ... i want to test the spec, not the user requirement
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... i want to test the spec, not the user requirement ←
09:36:14 <davidwood> q+ to suggest starting a test page
David Wood: q+ to suggest starting a test page ←
09:36:17 <oberger> q+ asking for a coffee break potentially short
Olivier Berger: q+ asking for a coffee break potentially short ←
09:36:21 <oberger> q-
Olivier Berger: q- ←
09:36:21 <ericP> ... some folks say "just re-edit the page", but this is against @@1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... some folks say "just re-edit the page", but this is against @@1 ←
09:36:32 <ArnaudLH> ack eric
Arnaud Le Hors: ack eric ←
09:36:32 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose that it may be most helpful to us to partition later and add an issue to say we plan to do so
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to propose that it may be most helpful to us to partition later and add an issue to say we plan to do so ←
09:36:47 <betehess> ericP: when I said to split out in different document
Eric Prud'hommeaux: when I said to split out in different document ←
09:36:57 <betehess> ... for the time being, this is very useful
... for the time being, this is very useful ←
09:37:13 <SteveBattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
09:37:22 <betehess> ... we'll need to re-edit something anyway
... we'll need to re-edit something anyway ←
09:37:31 <betehess> ... we can insert a note at the beginning
... we can insert a note at the beginning ←
09:37:39 <betehess> ... and use color code
... and use color code ←
09:37:59 <betehess> ... that states what's to be considered
... that states what's to be considered ←
09:38:13 <betehess> ... and gives fewer places to visit
... and gives fewer places to visit ←
09:38:42 <ArnaudLH> ack david
Arnaud Le Hors: ack david ←
09:38:42 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to suggest starting a test page
Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood, you wanted to suggest starting a test page ←
09:38:58 <ArnaudLH> q- asking
Arnaud Le Hors: q- asking ←
09:39:17 <betehess> davidwood: we could move some of the stuff to a wiki page for tests
David Wood: we could move some of the stuff to a wiki page for tests ←
09:39:21 <ArnaudLH> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
09:39:34 <betehess> SteveBattle: we'll propose something
Steve Battle: we'll propose something ←
09:39:40 <rgarcia> +1 to convert examples into tests
Raúl García Castro: +1 to convert examples into tests ←
09:39:47 <betehess> ... still people need to review the scenarios
... still people need to review the scenarios ←
09:40:10 <betehess> ArnaudLH: let me try to summarize
Arnaud Le Hors: let me try to summarize ←
09:40:16 <betehess> ... probably too much in the doc
... probably too much in the doc ←
09:40:22 <betehess> ... not sure how to address the p
... not sure how to address the p ←
09:40:33 <betehess> ... some wants to move stuff
... some wants to move stuff ←
09:40:45 <betehess> ... just happy to give SteveBattle a chance to do another pass
... just happy to give SteveBattle a chance to do another pass ←
09:41:03 <betehess> ... but I don't want to end up saying "this is not what we wanted"
... but I don't want to end up saying "this is not what we wanted" ←
09:41:05 <betehess> q+
q+ ←
09:41:25 <betehess> ... any concrete proposal?
... any concrete proposal? ←
09:41:31 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
09:42:03 <betehess> ... if there is too much, we'll need to sort it out
... if there is too much, we'll need to sort it out ←
09:42:20 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
09:42:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see St_Clair_3B, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see St_Clair_3B, Yves ←
09:42:22 <betehess> oberger: maybe let's focus on the first 2 ones?
Olivier Berger: maybe let's focus on the first 2 ones? ←
09:42:46 <betehess> SteveBattle: don't want to loose the information, eg. the status code
Steve Battle: don't want to loose the information, eg. the status code ←
09:43:01 <ArnaudLH> ack bete
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bete ←
09:43:58 <Ashok_Malhotra> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
09:44:16 <ericP> betehess: maybe we want to have everything for a given user story in one place
Alexandre Bertails: maybe we want to have everything for a given user story in one place [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
09:44:37 <ArnaudLH> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
09:44:50 <betehess> SteveS: wanted to echo something similar
Steve Speicher: wanted to echo something similar ←
09:44:51 <ericP> ... at the end we need to gather all the info one place and this document points to the appropriate places in all the specs
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... at the end we need to gather all the info one place and this document points to the appropriate places in all the specs ←
09:45:06 <betehess> ... phrasing is important
... phrasing is important ←
09:45:28 <betehess> ... then we can extract the things depending on what we need
... then we can extract the things depending on what we need ←
09:46:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
09:46:04 <ArnaudLH> ack ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok ←
09:46:08 <betehess> ArnaudLH: we have decided if we needed a primer yet
Arnaud Le Hors: we have decided if we needed a primer yet ←
09:46:22 <betehess> Ashok_Malhotra: would take all the stuff other than the 2 headers
Ashok Malhotra: would take all the stuff other than the 2 headers ←
09:46:32 <ericP> q?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q? ←
09:46:39 <betehess> ... could use other colors, this is possible solution
... could use other colors, this is possible solution ←
09:46:53 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
09:46:56 <betehess> ... like davidwood's suggestion to move that to test
... like davidwood's suggestion to move that to test ←
09:47:05 <betehess> ... the spec could end up with something very different
... the spec could end up with something very different ←
09:47:19 <betehess> davidwood: just said to put in a wiki page to start thing about it
David Wood: just said to put in a wiki page to start thing about it ←
09:47:22 <betehess> Ashok_Malhotra: that's fine
Ashok Malhotra: that's fine ←
09:47:23 <ericP> q+ to say that tests are allowed to be controversial
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to say that tests are allowed to be controversial ←
09:47:25 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
09:48:07 <betehess> ArnaudLH: SHORT BREAK
Arnaud Le Hors: SHORT BREAK ←
09:48:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ primer is needed
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ primer is needed ←
09:48:17 <oberger> resume at 11:00
Olivier Berger: resume at 11:00 ←
09:48:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ to state that primer is needed as in ld-dev yesterday
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ to state that primer is needed as in ld-dev yesterday ←
09:49:20 <Yves> +1 for a primer
Yves Lafon: +1 for a primer ←
10:10:01 <SteveBattle> +1
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Steve Battle: +1 ←
10:11:35 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
10:11:44 <oberger> again a short round of introductions
Olivier Berger: again a short round of introductions ←
10:11:50 <ahaller2> Henry Story
Armin Haller: Henry Story ←
10:12:05 <oberger> sandro's not here
10:12:28 <ahaller2> Hadley Beeman
Armin Haller: Hadley Beeman ←
10:12:31 <ArnaudLH> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
10:12:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
Bart van Leeuwen: ack me ←
10:12:41 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to state that primer is needed as in ld-dev yesterday
Zakim IRC Bot: BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to state that primer is needed as in ld-dev yesterday ←
10:12:50 <SteveBattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
10:12:54 <betehess> s/sandro's not here//
10:13:02 <oberger> +1 for primer
Olivier Berger: +1 for primer ←
10:13:04 <ahaller2> Bart: a primer would be a good idea
Bart van Leeuwen: a primer would be a good idea [ Scribe Assist by Armin Haller ] ←
10:13:05 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
10:14:26 <ahaller2> ArnaudLH: Would be a note, so we are fine doing a primer
Arnaud Le Hors: Would be a note, so we are fine doing a primer [ Scribe Assist by Armin Haller ] ←
10:14:38 <oberger> oberger: and bringing a bit more repeating of HTTP in the primer than in the specs would be greay
Olivier Berger: and bringing a bit more repeating of HTTP in the primer than in the specs would be great [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ] ←
10:14:43 <oberger> s/greay/great/
10:14:57 <SteveS> +1 for primer, would be willing to help do
Steve Speicher: +1 for primer, would be willing to help do ←
10:15:01 <ArnaudLH> ack eric
Arnaud Le Hors: ack eric ←
10:15:01 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say that tests are allowed to be controversial
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to say that tests are allowed to be controversial ←
10:15:50 <ArnaudLH> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
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