Linked Data Platform Working Group

Minutes of 01 November 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st
Present
Unknown Ivan, David Wood, Sandro Hawke, Unknown Chong, Raúl García Castro, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Richard Cyganiak, Bart van Leeuwen, Kevin Page, Ruben Verborgh, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Serena Villata, Alexandre Bertails, Steve Speicher, Henry Story, Armin Haller, Antonis Loizou, Unknown Francois, Olivier Berger, Steve Battle, Roger Menday
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Alexandre Bertails
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Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

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<sandro> Present: Ivan, David, Sandro, Chong, Raúl, Nandana, EricP, Cygri, Bart, Kevin, Ruben, Arnaud, Ashok, Serena, Alexandre, SteveS, Henry, Armin, Antonis, Francois, Olivier, SteveB, Roger

Scribe problem: the name 'Ivan' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: John Arwe Reza B'Far Steve Battle Olivier Berger Alexandre Bertails Gavin Carothers Richard Cyganiak J.B. Domingue Jean-Pierre EVAIN Lee Feigenbaum Raúl García Castro Asunción Gómez Pérez Christophe Gueret Kalpa Gunaratna Armin Haller Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Arthur Keen Michael Kerrin Jacek Kopecky Yves Lafon Arnaud Le Hors Antonis Loizou Ashok Malhotra Mo McRoberts Roger Menday András Micsik Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Kevin Page Lucas Panjer George Percivall Eric Prud'hommeaux Yrjana Rankka Andrei Sambra Andy Seaborne Raj Singh Steve Speicher Henry Story Ted Thibodeau Bart van Leeuwen Ruben Verborgh Serena Villata Erik Wilde David Wood Wen-Hsin Yang

Scribe problem: the name 'Chong' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: John Arwe Reza B'Far Steve Battle Olivier Berger Alexandre Bertails Gavin Carothers Richard Cyganiak J.B. Domingue Jean-Pierre EVAIN Lee Feigenbaum Raúl García Castro Asunción Gómez Pérez Christophe Gueret Kalpa Gunaratna Armin Haller Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Arthur Keen Michael Kerrin Jacek Kopecky Yves Lafon Arnaud Le Hors Antonis Loizou Ashok Malhotra Mo McRoberts Roger Menday András Micsik Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Kevin Page Lucas Panjer George Percivall Eric Prud'hommeaux Yrjana Rankka Andrei Sambra Andy Seaborne Raj Singh Steve Speicher Henry Story Ted Thibodeau Bart van Leeuwen Ruben Verborgh Serena Villata Erik Wilde David Wood Wen-Hsin Yang

Scribe problem: the name 'Francois' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: John Arwe Reza B'Far Steve Battle Olivier Berger Alexandre Bertails Gavin Carothers Richard Cyganiak J.B. Domingue Jean-Pierre EVAIN Lee Feigenbaum Raúl García Castro Asunción Gómez Pérez Christophe Gueret Kalpa Gunaratna Armin Haller Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Arthur Keen Michael Kerrin Jacek Kopecky Yves Lafon Arnaud Le Hors Antonis Loizou Ashok Malhotra Mo McRoberts Roger Menday András Micsik Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Kevin Page Lucas Panjer George Percivall Eric Prud'hommeaux Yrjana Rankka Andrei Sambra Andy Seaborne Raj Singh Steve Speicher Henry Story Ted Thibodeau Bart van Leeuwen Ruben Verborgh Serena Villata Erik Wilde David Wood Wen-Hsin Yang

07:57:35 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-irc

07:57:44 <betehess> RRSAgent, please generate minutes

Alexandre Bertails: RRSAgent, please generate minutes

07:57:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html betehess

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html betehess

07:58:05 <betehess> chair: Arnaud
07:58:23 <ArnaudLH> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st
07:58:59 <betehess> betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st  --  please do add yourself [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ]

Alexandre Bertails: betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ]

07:59:08 <betehess> present+ Alexandre_Bertails

Alexandre Bertails: present+ Alexandre_Bertails

07:59:14 <betehess> betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st  --  please do add yourself [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (no space)

Alexandre Bertails: betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (no space)

07:59:26 <betehess> betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st  --  please do add yourself, eg. [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (no space)

Alexandre Bertails: betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself, eg. [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (no space)

07:59:57 <oberger> who said arrival, coffee in the program ?

Olivier Berger: who said arrival, coffee in the program ?

08:07:12 <Ruben> present+ Ruben_Verborgh

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Ruben Verborgh: present+ Ruben_Verborgh

08:07:28 <betehess> s|who said arrival, coffee in the program ?||

Alexandre Bertails: s|who said arrival, coffee in the program ?||

08:07:29 <oberger> present+ Olivier Berger

Olivier Berger: present+ Olivier_Berger

08:07:40 <betehess> s/Olivier Berger/Olivier_Berger/
08:08:11 <betehess> betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st  --  please do add yourself, eg. [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (NO_SPACE)

Alexandre Bertails: betehess has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Day_1_-_November_1st -- please do add yourself, eg. [ present+ Alexandre_Bertails ] (NO_SPACE)

08:08:41 <jonathandray> present+ Jonathan Dray

Scribe problem: the name 'jonathandray' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jonathandray' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jonathandray: present+ Jonathan_Dray

08:08:52 <betehess> s/Jonathan Dray/Jonathan_Dray/
08:09:00 <roger> present+ Roger Menday

Roger Menday: present+ Roger_Menday

08:09:11 <betehess> s/Roger Menday/Roger_Menday/
08:09:13 <ericP> Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B

08:09:13 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is

08:09:22 <SteveBattle> Do we have a hashtag?

Steve Battle: Do we have a hashtag?

08:09:43 <ericP> Zakim, please this ldp

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please this ldp

08:09:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please this ldp', ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'please this ldp', ericP

08:09:50 <ericP> Zakim, please this is ldp

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please this is ldp

08:09:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please this is ldp', ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'please this is ldp', ericP

08:09:55 <ericP> Zakim, this is ldp

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, this is ldp

08:09:55 <Zakim> ericP, I see SW_LDP()2:30AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be ldp".

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, I see SW_LDP()2:30AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be ldp".

08:09:59 <SteveS> present+ SteveSpeicher

Steve Speicher: present+ SteveSpeicher

08:10:03 <ericP> Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B

08:10:03 <Zakim> sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ericP, I don't know what conference this is

08:10:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> present+ BartvanLeeuwen

Bart van Leeuwen: present+ BartvanLeeuwen

08:10:13 <ericP> Zakim, this will be ldp

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, this will be ldp

08:10:13 <Zakim> ok, ericP; I see SW_LDP()2:30AM scheduled to start 100 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; I see SW_LDP()2:30AM scheduled to start 100 minutes ago

08:10:14 <ericP> Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B

08:10:14 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; the call is being made

08:10:15 <Zakim> SW_LDP()2:30AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()2:30AM has now started

08:10:16 <Zakim> +St_Clair_3B

Zakim IRC Bot: +St_Clair_3B

08:10:21 <ArnaudLH> present+ Arnaud_Le_Hors

Scribe problem: the name 'ArnaudLH' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'ArnaudLH' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ArnaudLH: present+ Arnaud_Le_Hors

08:10:26 <betehess> RRSAgent, please make minutes

Alexandre Bertails: RRSAgent, please make minutes

08:10:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html betehess

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html betehess

08:10:38 <oberger> SteveBattle, https://twitter.com/LDPWG i.e. @LDPWG seems an option

Olivier Berger: SteveBattle, https://twitter.com/LDPWG i.e. @LDPWG seems an option

08:10:40 <ericP> Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please dial St_Clair_3B

08:10:40 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ericP; the call is being made

08:10:41 <Zakim> +St_Clair_3B.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +St_Clair_3B.a

08:10:50 <Zakim> -St_Clair_3B

Zakim IRC Bot: -St_Clair_3B

08:11:15 <ericP> Zakim, St_Clair_3B.a is St_Clair_3B

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, St_Clair_3B.a is St_Clair_3B

08:11:15 <Zakim> +St_Clair_3B; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +St_Clair_3B; got it

08:11:29 <oberger> ArnaudLH, are you the owner of @LDPWG ?

Olivier Berger: ArnaudLH, are you the owner of @LDPWG ?

08:13:39 <ArnaudLH> oberger: Erik is

Scribe problem: the name 'ArnaudLH' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Olivier Berger: Erik is [ Scribe Assist by Unknown ArnaudLH ]

08:14:05 <oberger> but #LDPWG may be an interesting hashtag

Olivier Berger: but #LDPWG may be an interesting hashtag

08:14:35 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, who is here?

08:14:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see St_Clair_3B

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see St_Clair_3B

08:14:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see davidwood, rgarcia, antonis, Ashok_Malhotra, nmihindu, roger, jonathandray, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, FabGandon, chsiao_, svillata, ivan, tidoust, RRSAgent,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see davidwood, rgarcia, antonis, Ashok_Malhotra, nmihindu, roger, jonathandray, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, FabGandon, chsiao_, svillata, ivan, tidoust, RRSAgent,

08:14:36 <Zakim> ... BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, ArnaudLH, betehess, oberger, SteveS, ahaller2

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, ArnaudLH, betehess, oberger, SteveS, ahaller2

08:14:37 <betehess> can you avoid uppercase?

Alexandre Bertails: can you avoid uppercase?

08:14:45 <betehess> eg. ldpwg

Alexandre Bertails: eg. ldpwg

08:15:07 <oberger> betehess, I guess it doesn matter much for twitter web app

Olivier Berger: betehess, I guess it doesn matter much for twitter web app

08:15:19 <oberger> but yes lowercase if you will

Olivier Berger: but yes lowercase if you will

08:16:29 <davidwood> Yes, twitter tags are case insensitive.

David Wood: Yes, twitter tags are case insensitive.

08:17:00 <SteveBattle> Where's the coffee?

Steve Battle: Where's the coffee?

08:17:40 <oberger> SteveBattle, shouldn't we ask Zakim ?

Olivier Berger: SteveBattle, shouldn't we ask Zakim ?

08:17:53 <oberger> crappy bots

Olivier Berger: crappy bots

08:18:03 <SteveBattle> zakim, where's the coffee?

Steve Battle: zakim, where's the coffee?

08:18:03 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, SteveBattle.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, SteveBattle.

08:18:46 <Ruben> *Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324*

Ruben Verborgh: *Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324*

08:19:45 <oberger> Ruben, would it make a use case to control a coffee pot through REST and RDF ?

Olivier Berger: Ruben, would it make a use case to control a coffee pot through REST and RDF ?

08:20:04 <Ruben> This could actually convince a lot of developers to turn to RDF.

Ruben Verborgh: This could actually convince a lot of developers to turn to RDF.

08:20:38 <oberger> using coffeescript ?

Olivier Berger: using coffeescript ?

08:21:30 <davidwood> http://coffeescript.org/

David Wood: http://coffeescript.org/

08:30:41 <oberger> let's get it started

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Olivier Berger: let's get it started

08:30:53 <oberger> ArnaudLH, addressing us

Olivier Berger: ArnaudLH, addressing us

08:31:03 <betehess> topic: Welcome, logistics, short intro round, recap of meeting goals, agenda amendments

1. Welcome, logistics, short intro round, recap of meeting goals, agenda amendments

08:31:09 <betehess> scribenick: betehess

(Scribe set to Alexandre Bertails)

08:31:33 <betehess> ArnaudLH: let's go around the table, introduce yourself

Scribe problem: the name 'ArnaudLH' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ArnaudLH: let's go around the table, introduce yourself

08:31:59 <betehess> ivan: Ivan Herman, W3C semweb lead

Unknown Ivan: Ivan Herman, W3C semweb lead

08:32:05 <betehess> ... here as an observer

... here as an observer

08:32:46 <betehess> davidwood: David Wood, RDF WG

David Wood: David Wood, RDF WG

08:32:53 <Zakim> +Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves

08:32:53 <betehess> ... but also member of this group

... but also member of this group

08:33:34 <chong> chong

Unknown Chong: chong

08:34:02 <rgarcia> rgarcia: Raúl García-Castro, Ontology Engineering Group, Universidad Politécnica de Madrid

Raúl García Castro: Raúl García-Castro, Ontology Engineering Group, Universidad Politécnica de Madrid [ Scribe Assist by Raúl García Castro ]

08:34:13 <nmihindu> Nandana Mihindukulasooriya from Ontology Engineering Group, Universidad Politécnica de Madrid

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Nandana Mihindukulasooriya from Ontology Engineering Group, Universidad Politécnica de Madrid

08:34:15 <ericP> Eric Prud'hommeaux

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Eric Prud'hommeaux

08:35:14 <cygri> Richard Cyganiak, DERI

Richard Cyganiak: Richard Cyganiak, DERI

08:35:34 <Ruben> Ruben / Ghent University – iMinds / PhD student Semantic Web & Web APIs

Ruben Verborgh: Ruben / Ghent University – iMinds / PhD student Semantic Web & Web APIs

08:35:36 <krp> Kevin Page, University of Oxford

Kevin Page: Kevin Page, University of Oxford

08:35:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> Bart van Leeuwen netage.nl (Startup Member)/ Fire Fighter Amsterdam

Bart van Leeuwen: Bart van Leeuwen netage.nl (Startup Member)/ Fire Fighter Amsterdam

08:35:51 <betehess> Alexandre Bertails aka. betehess, W3C Systeam Team. Already working actively on LDP implementation at https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf

Alexandre Bertails aka. betehess, W3C Systeam Team. Already working actively on LDP implementation at https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf

08:36:05 <SteveS> I'm Steve Speicher from IBM

Steve Speicher: I'm Steve Speicher from IBM

08:36:06 <svillata> Serena Villata, INRIA Sophia Antipolis

Serena Villata: Serena Villata, INRIA Sophia Antipolis

08:36:16 <antonis> Antonis Loizou, post-doc Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam

Antonis Loizou: Antonis Loizou, post-doc Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam

08:36:17 <ahaller2> Armin Haller

Armin Haller: Armin Haller

08:36:50 <oberger> Olivier Berger aka oberger/olberger/obergix from Institut Telecom / Télécom SudParis

Olivier Berger: Olivier Berger aka oberger/olberger/obergix from Institut Telecom / Télécom SudParis

08:36:51 <tidoust> Francois Daoust from Joshfire. Working on JSON-LD within RDF WG. Observer.

Scribe problem: the name 'tidoust' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'tidoust' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown tidoust: Francois Daoust from Joshfire. Working on JSON-LD within RDF WG. Observer.

08:37:10 <SteveBattle> Steve Battle

Steve Battle: Steve Battle

08:38:25 <betehess> jonathandray: Jonathan Dray

Scribe problem: the name 'jonathandray' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jonathandray: Jonathan Dray

08:39:06 <ericP> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, who is on the phone?

08:39:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see St_Clair_3B, Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see St_Clair_3B, Yves

08:39:16 <develD> Hey, i am Norman Richter from the univerity of Halle / Leipzig, Germany. I'm doing resarch on webid, web access control, pubsubhubbub. I'm still a student and planning to start with my final thesis on this subject within the next weeks/months. It's about delivering Linked Data as rdf over a PubHub with WebAccessControl / ACL to subscribers who should authentify with webid. I am here as an observer to check out how ldp is related to this subjects.

Scribe problem: the name 'develD' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'develD' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown develD: Hey, i am Norman Richter from the univerity of Halle / Leipzig, Germany. I'm doing resarch on webid, web access control, pubsubhubbub. I'm still a student and planning to start with my final thesis on this subject within the next weeks/months. It's about delivering Linked Data as rdf over a PubHub with WebAccessControl / ACL to subscribers who should authentify with webid. I am here as an observer to check out how ldp is related to this subjects.

08:39:43 <jonathandray> Jonathan Dray, I worked for a Company called Social Computing on "Just Map It", a data mapping solution. I also worked on a project called SPAR for the BNF on data preservation with Alexandre Bertails. I an here as an observer.

Scribe problem: the name 'jonathandray' does not match any of the 26 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Ivan David Wood Sandro Hawke Unknown Chong Raúl García Castro Nandana Mihindukulasooriya Eric Prud'hommeaux Richard Cyganiak Bart van Leeuwen Kevin Page Ruben Verborgh Arnaud Le Hors Ashok Malhotra Serena Villata Alexandre Bertails Steve Speicher Henry Story Armin Haller Antonis Loizou Unknown Francois Olivier Berger Steve Battle Roger Menday Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

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Unknown jonathandray: Jonathan Dray, I worked for a Company called Social Computing on "Just Map It", a data mapping solution. I also worked on a project called SPAR for the BNF on data preservation with Alexandre Bertails. I an here as an observer.

08:40:21 <AndyS> Andy Seaborne, Apache Software Foundation.  Work with linked data building customer solutions.  Also work on Apache Jena.

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Unknown AndyS: Andy Seaborne, Apache Software Foundation. Work with linked data building customer solutions. Also work on Apache Jena.

08:40:38 <betehess> ArnaudLH: thanks all

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Unknown ArnaudLH: thanks all

08:40:49 <betehess> ... the agenda was a bit of a challenge

... the agenda was a bit of a challenge

08:41:03 <betehess> ... still on the early days

... still on the early days

08:41:16 <betehess> ... two main topics

... two main topics

08:41:30 <betehess> ... tried to split everything in chunks

... tried to split everything in chunks

08:41:41 <betehess> ... also tried to take timezones into accounts

... also tried to take timezones into accounts

08:41:54 <betehess> ... I'm flexible about these things

... I'm flexible about these things

08:42:18 <betehess> ... as AndyS was the only one to express specific interests in some topics, I'll try to honor them

... as AndyS was the only one to express specific interests in some topics, I'll try to honor them

08:42:24 <betehess> ... no other constraint

... no other constraint

08:42:41 <betehess> ... so just tell me to "move on"

... so just tell me to "move on"

08:42:58 <betehess> davidwood: how many people new to w3c?

David Wood: how many people new to w3c?

08:43:23 <betehess> [only a few]

[only a few]

08:44:04 <betehess> ArnaudLH: any question about the process, then just ask

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Unknown ArnaudLH: any question about the process, then just ask

08:44:09 <betehess> ... it's a nice place, don't worry

... it's a nice place, don't worry

08:44:53 <betehess> ArnaudLH is going through http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Objectives

ArnaudLH is going through http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Objectives

08:45:06 <betehess> ArnaudLH: I went back to the charter

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Unknown ArnaudLH: I went back to the charter

08:45:08 <oberger> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter

Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter

08:45:25 <betehess> ... we need to start speaking about some stuff

... we need to start speaking about some stuff

08:45:30 <betehess> ... eg. test suite

... eg. test suite

08:45:34 <betehess> ... and validator

... and validator

08:45:50 <betehess> ... lots of discussion during charter writing about ACLs

... lots of discussion during charter writing about ACLs

08:46:03 <betehess> ... some wanted that as a MUST

... some wanted that as a MUST

08:46:21 <betehess> ... could be a disaster for some, but for others, the platform may not make sense without it

... could be a disaster for some, but for others, the platform may not make sense without it

08:46:31 <betehess> ... the compromise was: a NOTE defining the requirements

... the compromise was: a NOTE defining the requirements

08:46:39 <betehess> ... these are the main deliverables

... these are the main deliverables

08:46:48 <betehess> ... also want to discuss next f2f meeting

... also want to discuss next f2f meeting

08:47:24 <betehess> ... the FPWD is basically the SUBMISSION annotated with issues

... the FPWD is basically the SUBMISSION annotated with issues

08:47:26 <oberger> FPWD http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp/

Olivier Berger: FPWD http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp/

08:47:33 <betehess> ... we'lll go through the list of issues

... we'lll go through the list of issues

08:47:44 <betehess> q+

q+

08:48:16 <betehess> ... also I want to discuss the path forward to REC

... also I want to discuss the path forward to REC

08:48:34 <betehess> ... glad to say that the group seems to have started doing good job

... glad to say that the group seems to have started doing good job

08:48:40 <betehess> ... eg. the FPWD

... eg. the FPWD

08:49:09 <betehess> ... again, we do have a charter, we need to try to stick to it as much of possible

... again, we do have a charter, we need to try to stick to it as much of possible

08:49:28 <betehess> ... regarding use case and requirements doc, it's a bit different

... regarding use case and requirements doc, it's a bit different

08:49:34 <betehess> ... not published it yet

... not published it yet

08:49:44 <betehess> ... we need to decide what this doc is really about

... we need to decide what this doc is really about

08:50:06 <betehess> ... steeve did a great job to put it together

... steeve did a great job to put it together

08:50:06 <betehess> ... but some stuff does not belong there

... but some stuff does not belong there

08:50:08 <oberger> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

08:50:21 <betehess> ... but the plan was to put everything you wanted there first

... but the plan was to put everything you wanted there first

08:50:37 <betehess> Ashok_Malhotra: if you add a requirement

Ashok Malhotra: if you add a requirement

08:50:47 <ericP> q+ to ask SteveS if we should be looking at the editor's draft while discussing the LDP draft

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask SteveS if we should be looking at the editor's draft while discussing the LDP draft

08:50:47 <betehess> ... and the spec does not address it

... and the spec does not address it

08:50:53 <betehess> ... then it can be a problem

... then it can be a problem

08:51:21 <betehess> ack eri

ack eri

08:51:21 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask SteveS if we should be looking at the editor's draft while discussing the LDP draft

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask SteveS if we should be looking at the editor's draft while discussing the LDP draft

08:51:39 <betehess> ericP: is there something new in the ED since the FPWD?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: is there something new in the ED since the FPWD?

08:51:43 <betehess> ... where should be look at

... where should be look at

08:51:57 <betehess> steeve: not change much

Steve Speicher: not change much

08:51:59 <betehess> ... only locally

... only locally

08:52:17 <oberger> s/steeve/SteveS/
08:52:37 <betehess> ack me

ack me

08:53:09 <oberger> betehess: prioritize issues for people only present today

Alexandre Bertails: prioritize issues for people only present today [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ]

08:53:36 <betehess> q+

q+

08:54:03 <betehess> oberger: would like to hear about implementations and validation

Olivier Berger: would like to hear about implementations and validation

08:54:27 <betehess> ... even if it's not mandatory in the charter

... even if it's not mandatory in the charter

08:54:34 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

08:54:40 <betehess> SteveS: wanted to review the path of the spec

Steve Speicher: wanted to review the path of the spec

08:54:45 <betehess> ... and the schedule

... and the schedule

08:55:06 <betehess> davidwood: maybe a wiki page for listing implementations

David Wood: maybe a wiki page for listing implementations

08:55:13 <betehess> ArnaudLH: good idea

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Unknown ArnaudLH: good idea

08:55:52 <betehess> ... the goal is to discuss the usecase and requirements this morning

... the goal is to discuss the usecase and requirements this morning

08:55:54 <oberger> q+ on which target audience we're seeking

Olivier Berger: q+ on which target audience we're seeking

08:56:02 <betehess> ... and the spec this afternoon

... and the spec this afternoon

08:56:42 <betehess> ArnaudLH: is this reasonable for now?

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Unknown ArnaudLH: is this reasonable for now?

08:56:59 <betehess> oberger: maybe would like to remind the target of this WG

Olivier Berger: maybe would like to remind the target of this WG

08:57:13 <betehess> ... eg, yesterday there was discussion about LD for devs

... eg, yesterday there was discussion about LD for devs

08:57:18 <betehess> ... Javascript was important

... Javascript was important

08:57:25 <betehess> q+

q+

08:57:36 <betehess> ... just want to understand the objectives

... just want to understand the objectives

08:57:57 <betehess> ... would like to understand the stakeholders

... would like to understand the stakeholders

08:58:09 <betehess> ArnaudLH: what's your objective?

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Unknown ArnaudLH: what's your objective?

08:58:18 <betehess> oberger: understand better what is out of scope

Olivier Berger: understand better what is out of scope

08:58:30 <betehess> ... so fat, it's about resources and containers

... so fat, it's about resources and containers

08:58:44 <betehess> ... so people mentioned some other datastructures

... so people mentioned some other datastructures

08:59:15 <ArnaudLH> ack betehess

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack betehess

08:59:47 <ArnaudLH> ack oberger

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack oberger

08:59:47 <Zakim> oberger, you wanted to comment on which target audience we're seeking

Zakim IRC Bot: oberger, you wanted to comment on which target audience we're seeking

09:00:02 <tidoust> betehess: I believe that it is clearly out of scope if you look at the charter. We may revisit that later on but should focus on what's on the charter. The topic is very important for me, but we need to stay focused.

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Alexandre Bertails: I believe that it is clearly out of scope if you look at the charter. We may revisit that later on but should focus on what's on the charter. The topic is very important for me, but we need to stay focused. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tidoust ]

09:00:15 <betehess> ArnaudLH: the first answer in the charter

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Unknown ArnaudLH: the first answer in the charter

09:00:24 <betehess> ... defines the goals

... defines the goals

09:00:30 <betehess> ... then the usecase and requirement refine that

... then the usecase and requirement refine that

09:00:43 <betehess> ... we may conclude that we need something else

... we may conclude that we need something else

09:01:39 <betehess> oberger: if you look at the usecase, there are plenty of them, some redundant

Olivier Berger: if you look at the usecase, there are plenty of them, some redundant

09:01:48 <betehess> ... only a few requirements

... only a few requirements

09:02:10 <betehess> ... maybe we'll see a whole range of other things?

... maybe we'll see a whole range of other things?

09:02:24 <betehess> ... lack of imagination or just people staying on focus?

... lack of imagination or just people staying on focus?

09:02:43 <betehess> cigry: we may be missing some stuff

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Unknown cigry: we may be missing some stuff

09:03:03 <betehess> ... if you see something like this, just say it

... if you see something like this, just say it

09:03:13 <betehess> ... let's nto brainstorming here at the f2f

... let's nto brainstorming here at the f2f

09:03:51 <betehess> ArnaudLH: anybody can make a proposal at any point

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Unknown ArnaudLH: anybody can make a proposal at any point

09:03:52 <davidwood> New wiki page for implementations, as requested: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Implementations

David Wood: New wiki page for implementations, as requested: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Implementations

09:04:12 <davidwood> (linked from the main page under Ongoing Work)

David Wood: (linked from the main page under Ongoing Work)

09:04:15 <betehess> SteveS: just make things as close as possible to what we have

Steve Speicher: just make things as close as possible to what we have

09:04:31 <betehess> ArnaudLH: let's speak about usecase and requirements

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Unknown ArnaudLH: let's speak about usecase and requirements

09:05:06 <betehess> ... we already have something good

... we already have something good

09:05:06 <betehess> ... we may want to remove things that don't belong there

... we may want to remove things that don't belong there

09:05:21 <betehess> ... normally, you start with that, then you start the docs

... normally, you start with that, then you start the docs

09:05:37 <betehess> ... here we started with the spec, we're still editing the UCR doc

... here we started with the spec, we're still editing the UCR doc

09:05:44 <SteveBattle> topic : Use Cases and Requirements

Steve Battle: topic : Use Cases and Requirements

09:05:52 <davidwood> q+

David Wood: q+

09:06:02 <betehess> ... there is a good reason for this situation

... there is a good reason for this situation

09:06:25 <ArnaudLH> ack davidwood

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack davidwood

09:06:36 <betehess> davidwood: just wanted to mention I created the implementation page

David Wood: just wanted to mention I created the implementation page

09:06:43 <betehess> ... we can use that to ground the use-case

... we can use that to ground the use-case

09:07:30 <betehess> ArnaudLH: I split the schedule in two

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Unknown ArnaudLH: I split the schedule in two

09:07:35 <betehess> ... the steps

... the steps

09:07:49 <betehess> ... and what's in the doc today

... and what's in the doc today

09:08:11 <betehess> ... also, what does it mean to have a requirement not addressed in the spec?

... also, what does it mean to have a requirement not addressed in the spec?

09:08:20 <betehess> ... eg. security is out-of-scope IMO

... eg. security is out-of-scope IMO

09:08:46 <betehess> SteveBattle: people started to collect stories together

Steve Battle: people started to collect stories together

09:08:51 <betehess> ... two sections

... two sections

09:08:57 <betehess> ... existing user stories

... existing user stories

09:09:13 <betehess> ... and the use cases

... and the use cases

09:09:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q

Bart van Leeuwen: +q

09:09:35 <betehess> ... you find here scienarios

... you find here scienarios

09:09:45 <betehess> ... making the use cases more concrete

... making the use cases more concrete

09:09:53 <betehess> ... there are 10 of them so far

... there are 10 of them so far

09:10:08 <betehess> ... there used to be plenty of examples

... there used to be plenty of examples

09:10:19 <betehess> ... they are now somewhere else

... they are now somewhere else

09:11:06 <betehess> [describing a scenario]

[describing a scenario]

09:11:30 <betehess> ... there are also pointers to the issues that were raised

... there are also pointers to the issues that were raised

09:11:42 <oberger> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Examples

Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Examples

09:11:45 <betehess> ... focused on functional requirements

... focused on functional requirements

09:11:56 <sandro> RRSAgent, make logs public

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make logs public

09:12:19 <betehess> ... functional requirement == what do you expect the system to do

... functional requirement == what do you expect the system to do

09:13:25 <betehess> ... functional is the how

... functional is the how

09:13:38 <ArnaudLH> ack bart

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack bart

09:13:38 <betehess> BartvanLeeuwen: is it still open?

Bart van Leeuwen: is it still open?

09:13:41 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

09:13:45 <betehess> SteveBattle: it is still open

Steve Battle: it is still open

09:13:54 <betehess> q+

q+

09:14:18 <betehess> ... for user stories, just go ahead

... for user stories, just go ahead

09:14:19 <ArnaudLH> ack steves

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack steves

09:14:23 <betehess> ... for requirements, just talk to me

... for requirements, just talk to me

09:14:24 <betehess> q-

q-

09:15:04 <betehess> SteveS: when I look at user scenarios, looks like we're too restrictive

Steve Speicher: when I look at user scenarios, looks like we're too restrictive

09:15:06 <betehess> ... eg. imposing 303

... eg. imposing 303

09:15:06 <betehess> ... should be in the spec

... should be in the spec

09:15:08 <betehess> q+

q+

09:15:37 <betehess> ... response codes are too much detail for example

... response codes are too much detail for example

09:16:15 <betehess> Ashok_Malhotra: there are other possible solutions

Ashok Malhotra: there are other possible solutions

09:17:06 <betehess> ... just pointing out that this is quite open

... just pointing out that this is quite open

09:17:14 <ericP> q+ to propose that another doc capture the very helpful groundings of the use cases

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to propose that another doc capture the very helpful groundings of the use cases

09:17:21 <betehess> ... so 303 may be too early

... so 303 may be too early

09:17:47 <betehess> SteveBattle: it is quite useful to know some things here

Steve Battle: it is quite useful to know some things here

09:17:56 <betehess> ... so it's useful to document

... so it's useful to document

09:17:57 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes

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09:17:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-ldp-minutes.html ivan

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09:18:10 <betehess> ... it's interesting to understand the sequence

... it's interesting to understand the sequence

09:18:22 <betehess> SteveS: it's supposed to drive the spec

Steve Speicher: it's supposed to drive the spec

09:18:40 <Ashok_Malhotra> q?

Ashok Malhotra: q?

09:18:46 <ericP> betehess: i read the UC&R as painging ourselves in a corner

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09:18:52 <ArnaudLH> ack bete

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack bete

09:19:16 <ericP> ... there may be some recipes in the UC&R which we have yet to discuss

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... there may be some recipes in the UC&R which we have yet to discuss

09:19:34 <ArnaudLH> ack ericp

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack ericp

09:19:34 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose that another doc capture the very helpful groundings of the use cases

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to propose that another doc capture the very helpful groundings of the use cases

09:19:49 <betehess> ericP: when I read UCR, I usely don't know anything

Eric Prud'hommeaux: when I read UCR, I usely don't know anything

09:19:54 <betehess> ... here I find many details

... here I find many details

09:20:14 <betehess> ... maybe you can put that stuff to another page

... maybe you can put that stuff to another page

09:20:14 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

09:20:24 <betehess> ... and you link those

... and you link those

09:20:37 <betehess> ... then the reader can ground things to examples

... then the reader can ground things to examples

09:20:48 <betehess> ... and we can compare different proposals

... and we can compare different proposals

09:21:02 <betehess> q+

q+

09:21:32 <betehess> SteveBattle: use cases are requirements

Steve Battle: use cases are requirements

09:21:44 <betehess> cygri: this level of details can't be defined here

Richard Cyganiak: this level of details can't be defined here

09:21:51 <davidwood> q+ to suggest the implementations page be used to record the "where"

David Wood: q+ to suggest the implementations page be used to record the "where"

09:21:57 <betehess> ... there are specific deployment pattern that are used out there

... there are specific deployment pattern that are used out there

09:21:59 <Yves> +1 use case documents should not be a pre-spec, just general goals for the spec

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Unknown Yves: +1 use case documents should not be a pre-spec, just general goals for the spec

09:22:16 <betehess> ... some things are already using 303 for example

... some things are already using 303 for example

09:22:34 <betehess> ... we may have to answer quesitons like to we support X? if not, why?

... we may have to answer quesitons like to we support X? if not, why?

09:22:44 <betehess> ... that's something I expect to see in the document

... that's something I expect to see in the document

09:23:04 <betehess> ... and at the end, we may just say that we recomment something else

... and at the end, we may just say that we recomment something else

09:23:09 <oberger> +1 we need such level of details for existing deployment patterns

Olivier Berger: +1 we need such level of details for existing deployment patterns

09:23:09 <ahaller2> q+

Armin Haller: q+

09:23:30 <betehess> ... people want to say the way they expect this to work

... people want to say the way they expect this to work

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09:24:08 <betehess> ... taking existing deployment into account is a valid point, should not be ignored

... taking existing deployment into account is a valid point, should not be ignored

09:24:16 <betehess> SteveS: +1 to eric

Steve Speicher: +1 to eric

09:24:20 <ArnaudLH> ack steves

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack steves

09:24:27 <betehess> ... we may have another wiki page

... we may have another wiki page

09:24:36 <krp> q+

Kevin Page: q+

09:24:46 <betehess> ... where we can say how things match between the doc and the spec

... where we can say how things match between the doc and the spec

09:25:06 <betehess> ... would be bad to have to go back to UCR to change it

... would be bad to have to go back to UCR to change it

09:25:18 <ArnaudLH> ack bete

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack bete

09:25:21 <betehess> ArnaudLH: for me, it's too much about the solution, not defining the solution

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Unknown ArnaudLH: for me, it's too much about the solution, not defining the solution

09:25:43 <SteveBattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

09:25:46 <oberger> betehess: I want to describe the problem, not the solution

Alexandre Bertails: I want to describe the problem, not the solution [ Scribe Assist by Olivier Berger ]

09:25:55 <ericP> betehess: i don't want to describe the solution, i want to describe the problem, and then tie that to existing solutions

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09:27:01 <ericP> ... when you speak of 303s (for folks who want to make a clear distinction between entity and page), some folks use #URIs

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... when you speak of 303s (for folks who want to make a clear distinction between entity and page), some folks use #URIs

09:27:19 <ericP> cygri: we don't want to throw it out based on the level of detail

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09:27:50 <ericP> betehess: if we don't end up matching the UC&R, do we delete UC&R?

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09:28:05 <ArnaudLH> ack david

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Unknown ArnaudLH: ack david

09:28:05 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to suggest the implementations page be used to record the "where"

Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood, you wanted to suggest the implementations page be used to record the "where"

09:28:10 <ericP> cygri: user stories give requirements; requirements give rise to features in the spec

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09:28:11 <betehess> davidwood: maybe a bit orthogonal

David Wood: maybe a bit orthogonal

09:28:18 <betehess> ... trying to capture the what and the how

... trying to capture the what and the how

09:28:19 <ericP> ... sometimes you have to go back. that's just how it is

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... sometimes you have to go back. that's just how it is

09:28:25 <betehess> ... the where may be missing

... the where may be missing

09:28:39 <betehess> ... eg. to answer waht use-cases are implemented or not

... eg. to answer waht use-cases are implemented or not

09:28:53 <betehess> ... we need a place to track those

... we need a place to track those



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