Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 25 June 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.25
Seen
Andy Seaborne, Antonis Loizou, Arnaud Le Hors, Christophe Gueret, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Erik Wilde, Jacek Kopecky, John Arwe, Kevin Page, Lee Feigenbaum, Michael Hausenblas, Olivier Berger, Raúl García Castro, Richard Cyganiak, Ruben Verborgh, Serena Villata, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yrjana Rankka, Yves Lafon
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Yves Lafon
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. last week minutes approved link
  2. July 9 then every other week until end of august link
Topics
13:51:23 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-ldp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-ldp-irc

13:51:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 181

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs 181

13:51:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be

13:51:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

13:51:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:51:28 <trackbot> Date: 25 June 2012
13:52:04 <Yves> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.25
13:52:04 <Yves> Scribe: Yves

(Scribe set to Yves Lafon)

13:52:04 <Yves> Chair: Arnaud
13:59:14 <ruben1> zakim, who is here?

(No events recorded for 7 minutes)

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, who is here?

13:59:14 <Zakim> sorry, ruben1, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ruben1, I don't know what conference this is

13:59:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveS, krp, ruben1, Zakim, RRSAgent, svillata, rgarcia, ghard, Arnaud, JohnArwe, LeeF, oberger, MacTed, AndyS, betehess, achille-zappa, sandro, Yves, trackbot, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveS, krp, ruben1, Zakim, RRSAgent, svillata, rgarcia, ghard, Arnaud, JohnArwe, LeeF, oberger, MacTed, AndyS, betehess, achille-zappa, sandro, Yves, trackbot, ericP

14:00:21 <Zakim> ok, AndyS; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AndyS; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM

14:00:29 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve_Speicher

14:00:31 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, ??P4, ??P5, ??P6, Steve_Speicher

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, ??P4, ??P5, ??P6, Steve_Speicher

14:00:37 <Zakim> -??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P5

14:00:44 <Zakim> + +1.510.206.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.206.aabb

14:00:44 <Ruben> zakim, this is aaaa

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, this is aaaa

14:00:45 <Zakim> sorry, Ruben, I do not see a conference named 'aaaa' in progress or scheduled at this time

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ruben, I do not see a conference named 'aaaa' in progress or scheduled at this time

14:00:47 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

14:00:59 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:01:01 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:01:02 <SteveS> zakim, this is Steve_Speicher

Steve Speicher: zakim, this is Steve_Speicher

14:01:04 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

14:01:04 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

14:01:06 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

14:01:09 <Ruben> Zakim, I am aaaa

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, I am aaaa

14:01:10 <Zakim> sorry, SteveS, I do not see a conference named 'Steve_Speicher' in progress or scheduled at this time

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveS, I do not see a conference named 'Steve_Speicher' in progress or scheduled at this time

14:01:17 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

14:01:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, ??P4, ??P6, Steve_Speicher, +1.510.206.aabb, MacTed (muted), ??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, ??P4, ??P6, Steve_Speicher, +1.510.206.aabb, MacTed (muted), ??P12

14:01:19 <Ruben> zakim, I am aaaa

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, I am aaaa

14:01:23 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me

14:01:23 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

14:01:25 <Zakim> + +1.845.433.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.845.433.aacc

14:01:28 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is Ruben

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aaaa is Ruben

14:01:31 <JohnArwe> zakim, this JohnArwe

John Arwe: zakim, this JohnArwe

14:01:31 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben; got it

14:01:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see JacekKopecky, cgueret_work, Ruben, SteveS, krp, Zakim, RRSAgent, svillata, rgarcia, ghard, Arnaud, JohnArwe, LeeF, oberger, MacTed, AndyS, betehess, achille-zappa,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JacekKopecky, cgueret_work, Ruben, SteveS, krp, Zakim, RRSAgent, svillata, rgarcia, ghard, Arnaud, JohnArwe, LeeF, oberger, MacTed, AndyS, betehess, achille-zappa,

14:01:40 <Zakim> ... sandro, Yves, trackbot, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro, Yves, trackbot, ericP

14:01:42 <Zakim> sorry, Ruben, I do not see a party named 'aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ruben, I do not see a party named 'aaaa'

14:01:49 <SteveS> Zakim, Steve_Speicher is SteveS

Steve Speicher: Zakim, Steve_Speicher is SteveS

14:01:50 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, MacTed, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, MacTed, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

14:01:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this JohnArwe', JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this JohnArwe', JohnArwe

14:02:06 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

14:02:22 <Ruben> zakim, mute me

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, mute me

14:02:42 <Zakim> +Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves

14:02:58 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted

14:03:16 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy?

14:03:40 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

14:03:48 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (28%), ??P1 (48%), Arnaud (22%), ??P19 (82%)

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (28%), ??P1 (48%), Arnaud (22%), ??P19 (82%)

14:03:50 <cygri> zakim, code?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, code?

14:03:59 <Zakim> +LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF

14:03:59 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p0

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ??p0

14:04:01 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p1

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ??p1

14:04:03 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

14:04:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri

14:04:10 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p19

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ??p19

14:04:13 <Zakim> ??P0 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P0 should now be muted

14:04:15 <Zakim> ??P1 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P1 should now be muted

14:04:19 <Zakim> ??P19 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P19 should now be muted

14:04:27 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas

14:04:40 <cygri> zakim, i'm with mhausenblas

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with mhausenblas

14:04:42 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

14:04:48 <Zakim> -??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P6

14:04:49 <Zakim> +??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28

14:04:56 <cygri> zakim, mkerrin is with mhausenblas

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mkerrin is with mhausenblas

14:04:56 <Zakim> +mkerrin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mkerrin; got it

14:05:12 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot

http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot

14:05:15 <Yves> for help

for help

14:05:27 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

14:05:37 <Arnaud> zakim, aabb is dret

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, aabb is dret

14:05:37 <Zakim> +dret; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dret; got it

14:05:43 <Zakim> -??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P28

14:05:51 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p6

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ??p6

14:05:54 <Zakim> ??P6 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P6 should now be muted

14:06:19 <Zakim> +??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28

14:06:24 <Zakim> -??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4

14:06:39 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

14:06:51 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:06:51 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

14:06:52 <ghard> zakim, ??P4 is ghard

Yrjana Rankka: zakim, ??P4 is ghard

14:06:52 <Zakim> +ghard; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ghard; got it

14:07:10 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ghard

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ghard

14:07:10 <Zakim> ghard should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ghard should now be muted

14:07:13 <JohnArwe> zakim, aacc is JohnArwe

John Arwe: zakim, aacc is JohnArwe

14:07:13 <Zakim> +JohnArwe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe; got it

14:07:17 <MacTed> Zakim, umute ghard

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, umute ghard

14:07:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute ghard', MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'umute ghard', MacTed

14:07:20 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute ghard

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute ghard

14:07:20 <Zakim> ghard should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ghard should no longer be muted

14:07:40 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy?

14:07:44 <JacekKopecky> zakim, ??P0 may be me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P0 may be me

14:07:44 <Zakim> +JacekKopecky?; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JacekKopecky?; got it

14:07:50 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (9%), MacTed (25%), Yves (10%), ??P28 (24%)

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (9%), MacTed (25%), Yves (10%), ??P28 (24%)

14:07:56 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??p28

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute ??p28

14:07:56 <Zakim> ??P28 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P28 should now be muted

14:08:11 <JacekKopecky> zakim, mute me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, mute me

14:08:11 <Zakim> JacekKopecky? should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JacekKopecky? should now be muted

14:08:30 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

14:08:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see JacekKopecky? (muted), ??P1 (muted), Ruben (muted), Arnaud, SteveS, dret, MacTed, AndyS, ??P11, JohnArwe, Yves, ??P19 (muted), LeeF, EricP, mhausenblas, ??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JacekKopecky? (muted), ??P1 (muted), Ruben (muted), Arnaud, SteveS, dret, MacTed, AndyS, ??P11, JohnArwe, Yves, ??P19 (muted), LeeF, EricP, mhausenblas, ??P6

14:08:34 <Zakim> ... (muted), ??P28 (muted), ghard

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), ??P28 (muted), ghard

14:08:34 <Zakim> mhausenblas has cygri, mkerrin

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has cygri, mkerrin

14:08:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, mkerrin, JacekKopecky, cgueret_work, Ruben, SteveS, krp, Zakim, RRSAgent, svillata, rgarcia, ghard, Arnaud, JohnArwe, LeeF, oberger, MacTed, AndyS, betehess,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cygri, mkerrin, JacekKopecky, cgueret_work, Ruben, SteveS, krp, Zakim, RRSAgent, svillata, rgarcia, ghard, Arnaud, JohnArwe, LeeF, oberger, MacTed, AndyS, betehess,

14:08:37 <Zakim> ... achille-zappa, sandro, Yves, trackbot, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... achille-zappa, sandro, Yves, trackbot, ericP

14:09:20 <Zakim> -??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P11

14:09:29 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute ??p1

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute ??p1

14:09:29 <Zakim> ??P1 should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P1 should no longer be muted

14:09:31 <Zakim> -??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P19

14:09:31 <Yves> Arnaud: if you are not in the list of 'present' given by Zakim, please tell us

Arnaud Le Hors: if you are not in the list of 'present' given by Zakim, please tell us

14:09:33 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

14:09:38 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute ??p11

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute ??p11

14:09:38 <Zakim> ??P11 was not muted, MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P11 was not muted, MacTed

14:09:41 <cgueret_work> zakim, ??p11 is me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, ??p11 is me

14:09:41 <Zakim> +cgueret_work; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret_work; got it

14:10:00 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

14:10:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see JacekKopecky (muted), ??P1, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, SteveS, dret, MacTed, AndyS, JohnArwe, Yves, LeeF, EricP, mhausenblas, ??P6 (muted), ??P28 (muted), ghard,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JacekKopecky (muted), ??P1, Ruben (muted), Arnaud, SteveS, dret, MacTed, AndyS, JohnArwe, Yves, LeeF, EricP, mhausenblas, ??P6 (muted), ??P28 (muted), ghard,

14:10:04 <Zakim> ... cgueret_work

Zakim IRC Bot: ... cgueret_work

14:10:04 <Zakim> mhausenblas has cygri, mkerrin

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas has cygri, mkerrin

14:10:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri, mkerrin, JacekKopecky, cgueret_work, Ruben, SteveS, krp, Zakim, RRSAgent, svillata, rgarcia, ghard, Arnaud, JohnArwe, LeeF, oberger, MacTed, AndyS, betehess,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cygri, mkerrin, JacekKopecky, cgueret_work, Ruben, SteveS, krp, Zakim, RRSAgent, svillata, rgarcia, ghard, Arnaud, JohnArwe, LeeF, oberger, MacTed, AndyS, betehess,

14:10:05 <Zakim> ... achille-zappa, sandro, Yves, trackbot, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... achille-zappa, sandro, Yves, trackbot, ericP

14:10:07 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

14:10:28 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P19 is me

Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P19 is me

14:10:28 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it

14:10:33 <krp> zakim, ??p6 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??p6 is me

14:10:33 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

14:10:35 <Yves> Topic: last week minutes

1. last week minutes

14:10:49 <Yves> Arnaud: did people look at the minutes? objection to approve them?

Arnaud Le Hors: did people look at the minutes? objection to approve them?

14:11:04 <AndyS> +1 to the minutes

Andy Seaborne: +1 to the minutes

14:11:25 <Yves> Arnaud: we take minutes and the week later , after review, we approve the minutes

Arnaud Le Hors: we take minutes and the week later , after review, we approve the minutes

14:11:33 <svillata> Zakim, <svillata> has <P6>

Serena Villata: Zakim, <svillata> has <P6>

14:11:34 <Zakim> sorry, svillata, I do not recognize a party named '<svillata>'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, svillata, I do not recognize a party named '<svillata>'

14:11:39 <Yves> RESOLUTION: last week minutes approved

RESOLVED: last week minutes approved

14:11:47 <Zakim> -JacekKopecky

Zakim IRC Bot: -JacekKopecky

14:11:51 <Zakim> + +1.615.891.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.615.891.aadd

14:11:52 <svillata> Zakim, svillata has ??P6

Serena Villata: Zakim, svillata has ??P6

14:11:52 <Zakim> sorry, svillata, I do not recognize a party named 'svillata'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, svillata, I do not recognize a party named 'svillata'

14:11:55 <cgueret_work> I was here but it's not recorded in the minutes :/

Christophe Gueret: I was here but it's not recorded in the minutes :/

14:11:55 <JohnArwe> note that attendee list from last time is suspect; SteveS shown in log, but not captured up top, as 1 example.

John Arwe: note that attendee list from last time is suspect; SteveS shown in log, but not captured up top, as 1 example.

14:12:10 <Yves> Arnaud: there is one action pending review on Sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: there is one action pending review on Sandro

14:12:11 <Zakim> - +1.615.891.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.615.891.aadd

14:12:14 <Yves> ACTION-2?

ACTION-2?

14:12:14 <trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Sandro Hawke to set up commonscribe -- due 2012-06-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-2 -- Sandro Hawke to set up commonscribe -- due 2012-06-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW

14:12:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/2

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/2

14:12:32 <Yves> Eric: no idea if it was completed

Eric Prud'hommeaux: no idea if it was completed

14:12:34 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

14:12:42 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

14:12:52 <JacekKopecky> zakim, ??P0 is me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P0 is me

14:12:52 <Zakim> +JacekKopecky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JacekKopecky; got it

14:12:59 <cygri> it's here: https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/

Richard Cyganiak: it's here: https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/

14:13:13 <Yves> Erik: Sandro sent an email saying it was setup

Erik Wilde: Sandro sent an email saying it was setup

14:13:26 <Yves> ACTION-1?

ACTION-1?

14:13:26 <trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe -- due 2012-06-25 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-1 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe -- due 2012-06-25 -- OPEN

14:13:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/1

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/1

14:13:29 <JacekKopecky> zakim, ??P0 is not me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P0 is not me

14:13:29 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P0 is not me', JacekKopecky

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '??P0 is not me', JacekKopecky

14:13:31 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.775.aaee

14:13:41 <cygri> q-

Richard Cyganiak: q-

14:13:43 <Yves> close ACTION-1

close ACTION-1

14:13:43 <trackbot> ACTION-1 Ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-1 Ask sandro about how difficult it is to set up CommonScribe closed

14:13:43 <Zakim> +??P36

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P36

14:13:49 <Yves> ACTION-3?

ACTION-3?

14:13:49 <trackbot> ACTION-3 -- Arnaud Le Hors to create a wiki page to capture use cases and requirements -- due 2012-06-28 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-3 -- Arnaud Le Hors to create a wiki page to capture use cases and requirements -- due 2012-06-28 -- OPEN

14:13:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/3

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/3

14:13:50 <JacekKopecky> zakim, ??P36 is me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P36 is me

14:13:50 <Zakim> +JacekKopecky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JacekKopecky; got it

14:13:56 <Yves> close ACTION-3

close ACTION-3

14:13:56 <trackbot> ACTION-3 Create a wiki page to capture use cases and requirements closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-3 Create a wiki page to capture use cases and requirements closed

14:14:18 <svillata> Zachim, ??P6 is /me

Serena Villata: Zachim, ??P6 is /me

14:14:25 <Yves> Topic: next meeting

2. next meeting

14:14:28 <oberger> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

14:14:45 <svillata> Zakim, ??P6 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P6 is me

14:14:45 <Zakim> I already had ??P6 as krp, svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P6 as krp, svillata

14:15:09 <svillata> Zakim, ??P1 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P1 is me

14:15:09 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

14:15:13 <Yves> Arnaud: next meeting is next monday, however we might have a summer schedule, as people take vacation

Arnaud Le Hors: next meeting is next monday, however we might have a summer schedule, as people take vacation

14:15:39 <LeeF> I think we should keep the normal schedule.

Lee Feigenbaum: I think we should keep the normal schedule.

14:15:44 <rgarcia> +1 for summer schedule

Raúl García Castro: +1 for summer schedule

14:15:44 <cgueret_work> +1 to keep

Christophe Gueret: +1 to keep

14:15:52 <svillata> +1 to keep

Serena Villata: +1 to keep

14:15:52 <ericP> +1 to slacking

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to slacking

14:15:56 <oberger> +1 summer schedule

Olivier Berger: +1 summer schedule

14:16:07 <Ruben> +1 summer schedule

Ruben Verborgh: +1 summer schedule

14:16:10 <cygri> +1 summer schedule

Richard Cyganiak: +1 summer schedule

14:16:10 <ghard> +1 summer schedule

Yrjana Rankka: +1 summer schedule

14:16:18 <oberger> (given that most are in northern hemisphere  ? ;)

Olivier Berger: (given that most are in northern hemisphere ? ;)

14:17:47 <Yves> Arnaud: July 9 then every other week until end of august ?

Arnaud Le Hors: July 9 then every other week until end of august ?

14:17:52 <cygri> +1 to that

Richard Cyganiak: +1 to that

14:18:04 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

14:18:07 <svillata> +1

Serena Villata: +1

14:18:13 <rgarcia> +1

Raúl García Castro: +1

14:18:19 <SteveS> +1 to Arnaud's proposed schedule

Steve Speicher: +1 to Arnaud's proposed schedule

14:18:19 <ghard> +1 every other week

Yrjana Rankka: +1 every other week

14:18:19 <Ruben> +1

Ruben Verborgh: +1

14:18:28 <cgueret_work> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1

14:18:30 <Yves> eric: missing one out of 3 is a sure way to be confused

Eric Prud'hommeaux: missing one out of 3 is a sure way to be confused

14:19:08 <Yves> Arnaud: no objections?

Arnaud Le Hors: no objections?

14:19:09 <cgueret_work> can we do anything for the time?

Christophe Gueret: can we do anything for the time?

14:19:14 <Yves> noone screaming, so

noone screaming, so

14:19:16 <cgueret_work> earlier or later?

Christophe Gueret: earlier or later?

14:19:23 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:19:23 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

14:19:23 <Yves> RESOLUTION: July 9 then every other week until end of august

RESOLVED: July 9 then every other week until end of august

14:19:33 <cgueret_work> :)

Christophe Gueret: :)

14:19:34 <Yves> Topic: telcon time

3. telcon time

14:19:43 <Yves> Arnaud: telcon time. earlier or later?

Arnaud Le Hors: telcon time. earlier or later?

14:19:56 <Yves> it's 7am in California, so doing earlier would be difficult

it's 7am in California, so doing earlier would be difficult

14:20:03 <oberger> depends if summer siesta time ? ;)

Olivier Berger: depends if summer siesta time ? ;)

14:20:37 <Yves> Arnaud: we tried a doodle with just 5 people, and even finding one slot was quite hard

Arnaud Le Hors: we tried a doodle with just 5 people, and even finding one slot was quite hard

14:20:52 <cgueret_work> ok

Christophe Gueret: ok

14:21:08 <Zakim> +??P40

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40

14:21:15 <JacekKopecky> zakim, ??P40 is me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P40 is me

14:21:15 <Zakim> +JacekKopecky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JacekKopecky; got it

14:21:52 <Yves> Yves: let's continue with this time and see if it works for most people or if too inconvenient

Yves Lafon: let's continue with this time and see if it works for most people or if too inconvenient

14:22:10 <Yves> Arnaud: it is customary with a WG to start with a f2f

Arnaud Le Hors: it is customary with a WG to start with a f2f

14:23:03 <Yves> there is a notification period for F2F (because of travel planning)

there is a notification period for F2F (because of travel planning)

14:23:58 <Yves> the Technical Plenary once a year, for 2012 it's here: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/

the Technical Plenary once a year, for 2012 it's here: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/

14:24:12 <Yves> would people be able to attend that meeting?

would people be able to attend that meeting?

14:24:42 <SteveS> +1 I "should" be able to get to tpac but would recommend a 3Q F2F meeting 1st

Steve Speicher: +1 I "should" be able to get to tpac but would recommend a 3Q F2F meeting 1st

14:24:43 <JohnArwe> no known conflicts w TPAC for me

John Arwe: no known conflicts w TPAC for me

14:24:47 <svillata> should be able to go to TPAC

Serena Villata: should be able to go to TPAC

14:25:03 <ghard> Seems to work for me

Yrjana Rankka: Seems to work for me

14:25:07 <cgueret_work> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1

14:25:16 <Ruben> +1

Ruben Verborgh: +1

14:25:22 <oberger> +1 probably

Olivier Berger: +1 probably

14:25:22 <antonis> +1

Antonis Loizou: +1

14:25:23 <rgarcia> no conflicts for me "right now"

Raúl García Castro: no conflicts for me "right now"

14:25:24 <svillata> +1

Serena Villata: +1

14:25:30 <Yves> Erik: it's more up to the group to decide. at worst we can have a small group there

Erik Wilde: it's more up to the group to decide. at worst we can have a small group there

14:26:04 <Yves> SteveS: we could also do transatlantic f2f, with two locations

Andy Seaborne: we could also do transatlantic f2f, with two locations

14:26:27 <ghard> Nice place. Was there for VLDB

Yrjana Rankka: Nice place. Was there for VLDB

14:26:34 <SteveS> was not me, was AndyS I believe

Steve Speicher: was not me, was AndyS I believe

14:26:39 <AndyS> s/SteveS/AndyS/
14:27:28 <Yves> Arnaud: if we get a transatlantic presence, it should be east soact US to reduce the time diff

Arnaud Le Hors: if we get a transatlantic presence, it should be east soact US to reduce the time diff

14:28:07 <Yves> SteveS: having the first f2f in 5 monthes is a bit late

Steve Speicher: having the first f2f in 5 monthes is a bit late

14:28:32 <Yves> Arnaud: the WG started right before summer, with lower attendance, so meeting in september while TPAC is in november...

Arnaud Le Hors: the WG started right before summer, with lower attendance, so meeting in september while TPAC is in november...

14:29:05 <ericP> -1 to sept f2f

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -1 to sept f2f

14:30:54 <AndyS> Notes on SPARQL Graph Store Protocol : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Jun/0030.html

Andy Seaborne: Notes on SPARQL Graph Store Protocol : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Jun/0030.html

14:34:31 <Yves> AndyS: there are 3 protocols, issuing query, requests

Andy Seaborne: there are 3 protocols, issuing query, requests

14:35:18 <Yves> sparql update allows you to manipulate the graph store

sparql update allows you to manipulate the graph store

14:35:43 <Yves> this is used for fined-grain graph control

this is used for fined-grain graph control

14:35:54 <Yves> there is also bulk modification, like adding a graph store

there is also bulk modification, like adding a graph store

14:37:01 <Yves> you can delete a graph

you can delete a graph

14:37:13 <Yves> the specification is just translating what HTTP says

the specification is just translating what HTTP says

14:37:25 <Zakim> +??P40

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40

14:37:31 <JacekKopecky> zakim, ??P40 is me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P40 is me

14:37:31 <Zakim> +JacekKopecky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JacekKopecky; got it

14:37:36 <Yves> it defines POST of RDF data to add things to a graph

it defines POST of RDF data to add things to a graph

14:38:52 <Yves> you don't get hierarchy of containers, like stores of graph stores

you don't get hierarchy of containers, like stores of graph stores

14:39:30 <Yves> PATCH is proposed to mean a SPARQL update

PATCH is proposed to mean a SPARQL update

14:40:55 <Yves> as in the first example, a URI can identify a graph in a graph store

as in the first example, a URI can identify a graph in a graph store

14:41:30 <Yves> a more complex example is doing indirect graph identification, using ?graph=<uri of the names graph>

a more complex example is doing indirect graph identification, using ?graph=<uri of the names graph>

14:41:50 <ericP> <graphstore>?graph=http://foo.example/graph1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: <graphstore>?graph=http://foo.example/graph1

14:42:02 <Yves> POST to a graph means append, POST to a graph-store means create a graph

POST to a graph means append, POST to a graph-store means create a graph

14:42:20 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

14:42:33 <Zakim> -JacekKopecky

Zakim IRC Bot: -JacekKopecky

14:42:47 <Yves> Arnaud: do you have comments on how it compares to the IBM submission?

Arnaud Le Hors: do you have comments on how it compares to the IBM submission?

14:42:57 <cygri> q+ to ask about uptake

Richard Cyganiak: q+ to ask about uptake

14:43:20 <Yves> AndyS: the IBM submission has more complex things like what you put in containers

Andy Seaborne: the IBM submission has more complex things like what you put in containers

14:43:42 <Yves> in the SPARQL graph protocol, you only manipulate graphs in the graph-store

in the SPARQL graph protocol, you only manipulate graphs in the graph-store

14:44:07 <Yves> there is only one case

there is only one case

14:44:12 <AndyS> ack cygri

Andy Seaborne: ack cygri

14:44:12 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask about uptake

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to ask about uptake

14:44:26 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

14:44:47 <Yves> cygri: how about implementations?

Richard Cyganiak: how about implementations?

14:45:01 <cgueret_work> Redstore implements it too: http://www.aelius.com/njh/redstore/

Christophe Gueret: Redstore implements it too: http://www.aelius.com/njh/redstore/

14:45:23 <Yves> AndyS: ??? is implementing it.

Andy Seaborne: Garlik is implementing it.

14:45:32 <LeeF> s/???/Garlik
14:46:54 <cgueret_work> I am

Christophe Gueret: I am

14:46:58 <Yves> LeeF: difficult to figure out all implementations

Lee Feigenbaum: difficult to figure out all implementations

14:47:00 <cgueret_work> but my mic does not work :/

Christophe Gueret: but my mic does not work :/

14:47:03 <cgueret_work> works fine

Christophe Gueret: works fine

14:47:15 <cgueret_work> sorry... :P

Christophe Gueret: sorry... :P

14:47:29 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

14:48:01 <LeeF> We don't implement it all in Anzo but will be completing an implementation of it in the coming months

Lee Feigenbaum: We don't implement it all in Anzo but will be completing an implementation of it in the coming months

14:48:21 <cgueret_work> (I use RedStore for a graph-centric data management stack and the graph protocol works just fine in it)

Christophe Gueret: (I use RedStore for a graph-centric data management stack and the graph protocol works just fine in it)

14:49:00 <Yves> Topic: Annotea Protocol

4. Annotea Protocol

14:49:01 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/Annotea/User/Protocol Annotea Protocol

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2001/Annotea/User/Protocol Annotea Protocol

14:51:15 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/Talks/0717-egp-API4KB/#%284%29 Linked Data API

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2012/Talks/0717-egp-API4KB/#%284%29 Linked Data API

14:51:24 <AndyS> Linked data API: http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/

Andy Seaborne: Linked data API: http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/

14:52:12 <AndyS>  implementation: http://elda.googlecode.com/hg/deliver-elda/src/main/docs/index.html

Andy Seaborne: implementation: http://elda.googlecode.com/hg/deliver-elda/src/main/docs/index.html

14:53:00 <Yves> the main difference with LDBP is the link list (next/prev ones)

the main difference with LDBP is the link list (next/prev ones)

14:53:18 <Yves> provides random access in a big container

provides random access in a big container

14:53:18 <SteveS> +q Was Annotea adopted? what happened to it after it was published?

Steve Speicher: +q Was Annotea adopted? what happened to it after it was published?

14:53:21 <Zakim> +??P53

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P53

14:53:28 <JacekKopecky> zakim, ??P53 is me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P53 is me

14:53:28 <Zakim> +JacekKopecky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JacekKopecky; got it

14:53:43 <AndyS> app using LDA: http://environment.data.gov.uk/lab/bwq-web.html

Andy Seaborne: app using LDA: http://environment.data.gov.uk/lab/bwq-web.html

14:53:47 <AndyS>  (and I'm watching the server stats :-)

Andy Seaborne: (and I'm watching the server stats :-)

14:53:57 <Yves> it's using URI templates

it's using URI templates

14:54:45 <Yves> short-string to predicate mapping

short-string to predicate mapping

14:55:01 <AndyS> q+ to explain the interaction model

Andy Seaborne: q+ to explain the interaction model

14:55:01 <ghard>  FYI: Virtuoso has some support for HTTP CRUD operations for graphs as well. Uses special endpoint /sparql-graph-crud

Yrjana Rankka: FYI: Virtuoso has some support for HTTP CRUD operations for graphs as well. Uses special endpoint /sparql-graph-crud

14:56:01 <Yves> EricP: annotea was mostly a demonstrator, paired with Amaya to show annotations

Eric Prud'hommeaux: annotea was mostly a demonstrator, paired with Amaya to show annotations

14:57:17 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy?

14:57:28 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LeeF (70%)

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LeeF (70%)

14:57:32 <MacTed> Zakim, mute LeeF

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute LeeF

14:57:32 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: LeeF should now be muted

14:57:42 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:57:45 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

14:57:49 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:57:49 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

14:58:29 <Yves> EricP: it's just a random document, not a Team Note

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's just a random document, not a Team Note

14:58:55 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

15:01:20 <Yves> Arnaud: scribe duties is a shared responsibility, so we will start a scribe list

Arnaud Le Hors: scribe duties is a shared responsibility, so we will start a scribe list

15:01:35 <Yves> default order will be alphabetical list

default order will be alphabetical list

15:01:39 <cgueret_work> +1 for alpha list :)

Christophe Gueret: +1 for alpha list :)

15:01:55 <Yves> next meeting in two weeks.

next meeting in two weeks.

15:02:02 <Yves> ADJOURNED

ADJOURNED

15:02:06 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

15:02:07 <Zakim> -mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas

15:02:07 <Zakim> -dret

Zakim IRC Bot: -dret

15:02:09 <Zakim> -Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben

15:02:09 <Zakim> -Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves

15:02:10 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

15:02:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-ldp-minutes.html Yves

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-ldp-minutes.html Yves

15:02:15 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

15:02:17 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

15:02:19 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:02:21 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata

15:02:23 <Zakim> -rgarcia

Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia

15:02:25 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

15:02:28 <Zakim> -??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P28

15:02:29 <Zakim> -ghard

Zakim IRC Bot: -ghard

15:02:33 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.937.775.aaee

15:02:37 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

15:03:10 <cygri> yves, use commonscribe now? https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/

Richard Cyganiak: yves, use commonscribe now? https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/

15:03:11 <Zakim> -cgueret_work

Zakim IRC Bot: -cgueret_work

15:03:25 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

15:03:26 <Zakim> Attendees were +329331aaaa, Arnaud, +1.510.206.aabb, MacTed, +1.845.433.aacc, Ruben, AndyS, SteveS, Yves, LeeF, EricP, mhausenblas, cygri, mkerrin, dret, ghard, JohnArwe,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +329331aaaa, Arnaud, +1.510.206.aabb, MacTed, +1.845.433.aacc, Ruben, AndyS, SteveS, Yves, LeeF, EricP, mhausenblas, cygri, mkerrin, dret, ghard, JohnArwe,

15:03:29 <Zakim> ... JacekKopecky, cgueret_work, rgarcia, krp, +1.615.891.aadd, +1.937.775.aaee, svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: ... JacekKopecky, cgueret_work, rgarcia, krp, +1.615.891.aadd, +1.937.775.aaee, svillata

15:03:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-ldp-minutes.html Yves

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-ldp-minutes.html Yves

15:04:08 <Arnaud> thanks Yves for scribing today

Arnaud Le Hors: thanks Yves for scribing today



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