17:57:36 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #aapi
17:57:36 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-irc
17:57:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs member
17:57:38 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #aapi
17:57:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
17:57:40 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
17:57:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
17:57:41 <trackbot> Date: 13 December 2012
17:58:50 <clown> rrsagent, set logs member-visible
18:00:19 <davidb> "The conference is restricted at this time"
18:00:42 <davidb> Zakim, this will be AAPI
18:00:42 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, davidb
18:00:50 <davidb> worth a try
18:01:37 <clown> davidb, I'm following this
18:01:39 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Teleconference_cheat_sheet
18:02:41 <davidb> ping MichaelC_
18:02:44 <clown> MichaelC_ are you there?
18:03:43 <clown> invite zakim #aapi
18:04:03 <clown> Zakim, this is #aapi
18:04:03 <Zakim> sorry, clown, I do not see a conference named '#aapi' in progress or scheduled at this time
18:04:21 <clown> zakim, this is #pf
18:04:21 <Zakim> sorry, clown, I do not see a conference named '#pf' in progress or scheduled at this time
18:05:07 <clown> zakim, what conferences do you see?
18:05:07 <Zakim> I see T&S_Track(editors)1:00PM, SW_(PROV)11:00AM, TAG_Weekly()1:00PM, HTML_WG()12:00PM, Team_(dntchairs)18:00Z, WAI_UAWG()1:00PM active and no others scheduled to start in the next
18:05:10 <Zakim> ... 15 minutes
18:05:58 <clown> zakim, what conference is this?
18:05:58 <Zakim> no conference has been selected, clown
18:07:45 <clown> zakim, this is WAI_PFWG(AAPI)
18:07:45 <Zakim> sorry, clown, I do not see a conference named 'WAI_PFWG(AAPI)' in progress or scheduled at this time
18:09:00 <clown> davidb, I have this from an email from a W3C admin "The Zakim request has been completed in the system. The details are not populating to the meetings calendar page, but the can be found below. And the first meeting will be Thursday Dec. 13, 2012 (this week). I deleted the previous meeting going forward after today's meeting."
18:09:34 <davidb> hmm maybe time zone miscomm?
18:09:49 <davidb> the best case scenario is no meeting today!
18:10:35 <clown> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:10:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:10:58 <davidb> hello out there!
18:11:07 <davidb> I will be famous foreveh!
18:11:20 <clown> here is more info from that email.  Looks fairly normal.  Let me check something else.  WAI_PFWG(AAPI)
18:11:20 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/
18:11:20 <clown> Thursdays http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11&day=20&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 1:00pm-2:00pm Boston local)
18:11:20 <clown> Zakim Bridge tel:+1.617.761.6200, conference 2274 ("AAPI")
18:12:02 <clown> trackbot, associate this channel with #pf
18:12:02 <trackbot> Associating this channel with #pf...
18:13:03 <clown> zakim, this conference is #aapi
18:13:03 <Zakim> sorry, clown, I do not see a conference named '#aapi' in progress or scheduled at this time
18:13:13 <clown> zakim, this conference is #pf
18:13:13 <Zakim> sorry, clown, I do not see a conference named '#pf' in progress or scheduled at this time
18:14:53 <clown> well, we have minutes, but we can't talk to one another …  do we have to?
18:15:08 <clown> that is, what can we do without talking?
18:15:35 <clown> btw, cynthia cannot make it, so I was planning to clear up any FF issues, davidb.
18:16:15 <davidb> ok well i'm working away here otherwise… so no harm
18:17:21 <clown> davidb, one of the commands to entier is "/invite zakim #aapi".  I've done that repeatedly, but there is no response either in terms of success nor failure.
18:17:45 <clown> zakim, this will be aapi
18:17:45 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, clown
18:17:52 <clown> zakim, this will be AAPI
18:17:52 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, clown
18:18:03 <clown> zakim, this will be PF
18:18:03 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, clown
18:18:18 <davidb> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF(AAPI)
18:18:18 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, davidb
18:18:27 <clown> zakim, this will be WAI_PF_AAPI
18:18:27 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, clown
18:18:32 <clown> zakim, list conferences
18:18:33 <Zakim> I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM, TAG_Weekly()1:00PM, HTML_WG()12:00PM, WAI_UAWG()1:00PM active
18:18:33 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are T&S_Track(editors)1:00PM, Team_(dntchairs)18:00Z, Team_(ieee)18:30Z
18:18:44 <davidb> Zakim, summon MichaelC_
18:18:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'summon MichaelC_', davidb
18:19:13 <clown> I'm going to drop into #uawg to see if there is anything there...
18:19:23 <davidb> alrighty
18:19:36 <clown> "uawg" looks suspiciously like user agent working group.
18:21:08 <clown> zakim, this is uawg
18:21:08 <Zakim> clown, WAI_UAWG()1:00PM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move uawg to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
18:21:23 <clown> zakim, move uawg to here
18:21:24 <Zakim> ok, clown; that matches WAI_UAWG()1:00PM
18:22:38 <clown> zakim, I give up
18:22:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I give up', clown
18:22:45 <clown> of course not.
18:23:19 <clown> davidb, just tried dialing in with both the aapi and the uawg passcodes, and I get the same restricted bit.
18:23:20 <tlr> tlr has joined #aapi
18:23:26 <jeanne> jeanne has joined #aapi
18:24:04 <clown> tlr, jeanne, which conference are you attending?
18:24:24 <clown> might be.  I'm guilty of doing that.
18:24:39 <jeanne> User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group
18:24:47 <clown> I don't know how to give it back...
18:25:16 <tlr> jeanne, you can just pull it back
18:25:29 <clown> sorry, thought it was our conference.
18:25:46 <jeanne> what's the syntax to move it back?
18:25:51 <clown> zakim, list conferences
18:25:51 <Zakim> I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM, TAG_Weekly()1:00PM, HTML_WG()12:00PM, WAI_UAWG()1:00PM active
18:25:54 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are Team_(ieee)18:30Z, T&S_Track(editors)1:00PM, Team_(dntchairs)18:00Z, Team_(ieee)18:30Z
18:26:34 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has been moved to #ua by jeanne
18:26:46 <tlr> tlr has left #aapi
18:27:01 <clown> davidb, I don't think zakim was properly configured for our meeting.  I'll have to contact Michael via email to ask him what happened,
18:27:21 <davidb> sounds right
18:27:43 <clown> I don't see a "AAPI" conference in that list above.  do you?
18:28:07 <davidb> nope
18:28:12 <jeanne> jeanne has left #aapi
18:29:40 <clown> well, do you want to talk by skype?  and we can get something done?
18:30:13 <davidb> sure
18:32:26 <clown> scrtibenick:  clown
18:32:35 <clown> regrets Cynthia
18:32:52 <clown> topic:  Issues and Actions
18:32:59 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
18:33:38 <clown> issue-486?
18:33:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
18:33:39 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
18:35:34 <clown> action:  joseph to ask the PFWG on the Mon call, what issue-486 is all about.
18:35:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1136 - Ask the PFWG on the Mon call, what issue-486 is all about. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2012-12-20].
18:36:39 <clown> issue-543?
18:36:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-543 -- Mapping of aria-disabled='true' not correct for ATK/AT-SPI -- open
18:36:39 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/543
18:39:58 <clown> resolved:  ISSUE-543 — there is no UNAVAILABLE state in AT-SPI.  The UAIG is correct with respect to aria-disabled and ATSP.  No change needed.
18:40:39 <davidb> \o/
18:41:05 <clown> issue-456?
18:41:05 <trackbot> ISSUE-456 -- Forward compatibility and overlap between abstract roles and patterns -- raised
18:41:05 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/456
18:42:10 <clown> resolved:  ISSUE-456 — moved to ARIA 2.0
18:42:15 <davidb> \o/
18:43:16 <clown> action-248?
18:43:16 <trackbot> ACTION-248 -- David Bolter to [ARIA 2.0] Provide a technique if available to ensure an AT can modify a state or property without a page reload -- due 2010-01-30 -- OPEN
18:43:16 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/248
18:46:02 <clown> resolved:  Move due date of ACTION-248 to Aug 2013 as this is an ARIA 2.0 issue.
18:46:41 <clown> action-983?
18:46:41 <trackbot> ACTION-983 -- David Bolter to create MSAA/IA2 special case test cases from existing generated test cases for the tables. -- due 2012-03-14 -- OPEN
18:46:41 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/983
18:48:38 <clown> action:  Joseph to ask PFWG at Mon meeting for details concerning ACTION-983.
18:48:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1137 - Ask PFWG at Mon meeting for details concerning ACTION-983. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2012-12-20].
18:50:16 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#AT-SPI_States_and_Properties
18:50:33 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#AT-SPI_Special_Case_Testable_Statements
18:53:41 <clown> close action-1137
18:53:42 <trackbot> ACTION-1137 Ask PFWG at Mon meeting for details concerning ACTION-983. closed
18:54:41 <clown> discussion between David and Joseph about what acion-1137 is about.  David will start working on it — special case testable statement for MSAA/IA2
18:55:20 <clown> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
18:55:40 <clown> action-1102?
18:55:40 <trackbot> ACTION-1102 -- David Bolter to get someone to look at the SHOULD statements in the Role Mapping table. Can these be changed from "SHOULD be exposed" to "expose as" -- due 2012-07-25 -- OPEN
18:55:40 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1102
18:57:32 <clown> david:  i will look into this next week.
18:58:23 <clown> david:  we should get Cynthia to confirm after I've done my analysis.
18:58:41 <davidb> I also want to run something by Alex
19:00:54 <clown> joseph:  okay, we've run out of time.
19:01:29 <clown> joseph:  we at least got through the issues and actions that relate to FF, IA2, MSAA and/or ATSPI.
19:01:52 <clown> joseph:  let's meet againg next Thursday because after that is the holiday break.
19:03:22 <clown> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2012Dec/0002.html
19:03:34 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
19:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:05:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:05:43 <clown> zakim, please part
19:05:43 <Zakim> Zakim has left #aapi
19:05:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:06:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:06:29 <clown> present+ David
19:06:33 <clown> present+ Joseph
19:06:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:07:46 <clown> Present:  David, Joseph
19:07:53 <clown> Regrets:  Cynthia
19:07:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:08:20 <clown> Regrets: Cynthia
19:08:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
19:08:58 <clown> Chair:  Joseph
19:09:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
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