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16:32:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
16:32:58 <trackbot> Date: 12 December 2012
16:33:03 <nvdbleek> zakim, code?
16:33:03 <Zakim> the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nvdbleek
16:33:32 <Zakim> +??P43
16:33:49 <Zakim> + +1.323.425.aabb
16:33:50 <alain> Zakim, I am ??P43
16:33:50 <Zakim> +alain; got it
16:34:01 <nvdbleek> zakim, I am +1
16:34:01 <Zakim> sorry, nvdbleek, I do not see a party named '+1'
16:34:12 <nvdbleek> zakim, I am +1.323.425.aabb
16:34:13 <Zakim> +nvdbleek; got it
16:35:35 <nvdbleek> scribe: Nick
16:35:42 <nvdbleek> scribe:nvdbleek
16:37:02 <nvdbleek> TOPIC: XForms 2.0 snapshot review
16:37:12 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2012Dec/0000.html
16:37:23 <nvdbleek> 3.2.2.2 (last examples): [0] is not a valid XPath filter and should
16:37:23 <nvdbleek>     be replaced by [1]
16:37:51 <nvdbleek> ACTION:  nvdbleek fix : 3.2.2.2 (last examples): [0] is not a valid XPath filter and should
16:37:52 <nvdbleek>     be replaced by [1]
16:37:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1916 - Fix : 3.2.2.2 (last examples): [0] is not a valid XPath filter and should [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2012-12-19].
16:38:42 <nvdbleek> Nick: For 'problem with the RFC for CSV: a different separator should
16:38:43 <nvdbleek>     be possible (tab is a possible separator and, with French Excel
16:38:43 <nvdbleek>     version, CSV is constructed with ";" instead of ",")'
16:39:00 <nvdbleek> Nick: Does the current spec doesn't allow you specify the separtor?
16:39:18 <ebruchez> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4180
16:39:32 <ebruchez> COMMA = %x2C
16:40:36 <nvdbleek> erik: It is a memo not a real specification
16:42:19 <nvdbleek> Erik: If in practice different separators are used then this could be a problem. In french the decimal separator is a comma, that is why they don't use a comma
16:44:54 <nvdbleek> Nick: On the instance we don't have extra attributes for the separator
16:46:52 <nvdbleek> Erik: In the past Leigh proposed to use submission to be able to specify headers. If we load using submission we could use the attributes on submission
16:47:43 <nvdbleek> Nick: But the submission attributes are for serialisation not the returned result
16:48:53 <ebruchez> Erik: but we could change that
16:49:14 <ebruchez> Erik: and say that the separator attribute works both ways
16:51:26 <nvdbleek> Nick: We could add an extra mediatype attribute to instance that overrides the parser used to parse the incomming data
16:51:52 <nvdbleek> Nick: And then we can maybe support a mediatype text/cvs+comma
16:52:25 <nvdbleek> <xf:instance src="http://foo.com/data.csv" media-type="text/csv+comma"/>
16:53:32 <nvdbleek> s/media-type/mediatype/
16:54:19 <ebruchez> Erik: I think I would prefer <xf:instance src="" separator=";">
16:54:22 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: I'm not sure if we can invent our own media-type
16:56:36 <alain> I'm currently working on supporting ZIP packages with the same problematic for mediatype: http://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/?p=56&preview=true
16:57:49 <nvdbleek> Alain: CSV is the only format that has the separator problem
16:59:05 <nvdbleek> Erik: We should use the separator attribute on submission for CSV
16:59:41 <nvdbleek> Alain: I think that  mediatype on the instance is enough
17:01:39 <nvdbleek> ACTION: nvdbleek reply to the CSV email and elaborate on the problem with the separator
17:01:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1917 - Reply to the CSV email and elaborate on the problem with the separator [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2012-12-19].
17:01:56 <nvdbleek> vCard is different from vCalendar and there is the xCard
17:01:57 <nvdbleek>     notation for vCard
17:05:19 <nvdbleek> Alain: I would propose using xCard
17:05:39 <nvdbleek> instead of our own markup
17:05:52 <nvdbleek> Nick: This is just an example
17:06:11 <nvdbleek> Nick: We should ask steven to add another example that has no XML markup
17:07:38 <nvdbleek> ACTION: Steven have a look at the vCARD example and replace it with a imaginary markup that has no XML notation
17:07:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1918 - Have a look at the vCARD example and replace it with a imaginary markup that has no XML notation [on Steven Pemberton - due 2012-12-19].
17:08:37 <nvdbleek> zakim, make minutes
17:08:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', nvdbleek
17:08:48 <nvdbleek> trackbot, end meeting
17:08:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:08:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.650.919.aaaa, +1.323.425.aabb, alain, nvdbleek
17:08:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:08:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/12-forms-minutes.html trackbot
17:08:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:08:57 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/12-forms-actions.rdf :
17:08:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: nvdbleek fix : 3.2.2.2 (last examples): [0] is not a valid XPath filter and should [1]
17:08:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/12-forms-irc#T16-37-51
17:08:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: nvdbleek reply to the CSV email and elaborate on the problem with the separator [2]
17:08:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/12-forms-irc#T17-01-39
17:08:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven have a look at the vCARD example and replace it with a imaginary markup that has no XML notation [3]
17:08:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/12-forms-irc#T17-07-38
17:09:04 <Zakim> - +1.650.919.aaaa