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16:36:36 <Joshue108> zakim, this will be 9224
16:36:36 <Zakim> ok, Joshue108; I see WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM scheduled to start 6 minutes ago
16:36:53 <Joshue108> Meeting: HTML Techniques Task Force
16:37:03 <Joshue108> Chair: Joshue
16:37:14 <Joshue108> agenda + + Survey for today:
16:37:14 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
16:37:27 <Joshue108> agenda + The state of current WCAG advise relating to long descriptors and approaches such as using @longdesc and/or ARIA etc came up on the HTML5 a11y list. Discuss.
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16:57:34 <Joshue108> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:57:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P4
16:57:43 <Joshue108> zakim, ??P4 is Joshue
16:57:43 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
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17:00:28 <Detlev> Zakim, aaaa is Detlev
17:00:28 <Zakim> +Detlev; got it
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17:01:31 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
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17:03:43 <Detlev> scribe: Detlev
17:03:58 <Zakim> +Jon_Gunderson
17:04:42 <Detlev> Meeting next Monday will be the last until Mo 7. January 2013
17:05:01 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item 1
17:05:01 <Zakim> agendum 1. "+ Survey for today:" taken up [from Joshue108]
17:05:20 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
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17:11:25 <Loretta> Sorry - my wireless is going flaky on me...
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17:12:46 <Detlev> Detlev: note on using tabindex use into user agent notes,?
17:13:05 <Detlev> James: leave one example in with a clear explanation why it'd there
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17:14:54 <Detlev> James: the example can be changed by putting the id on the anchor instead of the span
17:16:25 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose
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17:18:40 <Detlev> Action: reworl example 2 of aria-sdescribedby for link purpose according to the discussion section of the wiki
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17:21:46 <Detlev> Action: Detlev add explanation in the text why tabindex+-1 is being used here
17:22:46 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Talk:Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose
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17:27:52 <Detlev> James will take it up to Microsoft to check whether the bug will be fixed soon
17:29:02 <Detlev> James: problem is that any time you have multime references in aria-labelledby you need to make sure that all elements referenced are in the a11y tree (by adding tabindex=-1)
17:30:34 <jamesn> ACTION: James to talk to Cynthia in order to determine the status of tabindex -1 and whether it is necessary when using describedby and labelledby in IE
17:31:54 <Detlev> Action: Josh will ping Steve Falukner to get his view on the issue
17:32:15 <Detlev> James: it's referenced in the MS documentation
17:32:17 <jamesn> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg701963%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#Making_Nonaccessible_Elements_Accessible
17:33:34 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose
17:36:11 <Detlev> James: ARIA implementation user agent guide states that any elements referenced must be pulled into the accessibility tree - so MS shoud be told about it
17:36:11 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby
17:43:21 <Detlev> Reference to longdesc in second paragraph in Description is a bit confusing
17:44:23 <Detlev> Josh: focuong on the added value of longdesc - external URI
17:44:50 <Detlev> Action: Josh will edit this text
17:48:02 <Detlev> Discussion will be moved to next week
17:52:01 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results
17:52:32 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item 2
17:52:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "The state of current WCAG advise relating to long descriptors and approaches such as using @longdesc and/or ARIA etc came up on the HTML5 a11y list. Discuss." taken up
17:52:36 <Zakim> ... [from Joshue108]
17:54:07 <Detlev> Josh: discussion of long descriptions, example proposed by Jams Craig
17:54:38 <Detlev> Josh: some of this may be turned onto a technique
17:54:49 <jongund> I have to go to another call
17:54:54 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
17:55:19 <Joshue108> http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/
17:55:21 <jamesn> http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/
17:55:54 <Detlev> Josh> suggests to look at the examples and see whether we can turn this into techniques
17:57:06 <Detlev> James: only good thing may be that it works on the Mac :-)
17:58:53 <jamesn> s/James: only good thing may be that it works on the Mac :-)//
17:59:12 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
17:59:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
18:01:58 <Zakim> -Detlev
18:01:59 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
18:02:00 <Zakim> -Joshue
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18:02:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Joshue, [IPcaller], +49.403.17.aaaa, Detlev, James_Nurthen, Jon_Gunderson
18:02:05 <jamesn> zakim, please part
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18:02:13 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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