IRC log of wai-wcag on 2012-12-06

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-wai-wcag-irc
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 06 December 2012
21:01:47 [korn]
Zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see [Oracle], [Microsoft]
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, greggvanderheiden, korn, trackbot, MichaelC
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Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
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+Peter_Korn; got it
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+??P9
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zakim, Microsoft is Alex_Li
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+Alex_Li; got it
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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20121206misc/results
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+[IPcaller]
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012OctDec/0103.html
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chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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zakim, IPcaller is Gian_Wild
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+Gian_Wild; got it
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regrets: Robin_Tuttle, Marc_Johlic
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scribe korn
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scribe: korn
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+Kathy
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+James_Nurthen
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TOPIC: Definition of blinking
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+ +1.650.253.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
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zakim, who is on the call?
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On the phone I see [Oracle], Alex_Li, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Michael_Cooper, Gian_Wild, Kathy, James_Nurthen, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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[Oracle] has Peter_Korn
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q+
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q+
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ack k
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+Bruce_Bailey
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ack m
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q+
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q-
21:16:36 [Loretta]
Search returns scholarly articles on visual motion perception: https://www.google.com/url?url=http://scholar.google.com/scholar_url%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dhttp://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1975-28753-001%26sa%3DX%26scisig%3DAAGBfm25qlr4lChGXIJFzgExqJ-kL8IzgA%26oi%3Dscholarr&rct=j&sa=X&ei=9ArBUOflO-aziwLlsoGADA&ved=0CC8QgAMoADAA&q=visual+motion+perception&usg=AFQjCNH46MRx-zYFEuaP0QKebhBH6pIXgQ&cad=rja https://www.google.com/url?url=http://scholar.google.co[CUT]
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q+
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+MoeKraft
21:19:12 [greggvanderheiden]
"A button that slowly moves between different color states in a fashion that causes it to eventually cycle would qualify as blinking unless it did this so slowly that it was not immediately perceptible or distracting. In fact, the intent of this success criterion would be to require that the user be able to stop or pause any content that was visually distracting and that persisted for more than five seconds. Something that is chan[CUT]
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order to attract attention clearly would be included in the intent of this success criterion."
21:20:31 [BBailey]
zakim, i am bruce_bailey
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ok, BBailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey
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q-
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+Katie_Haritos-Shea
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should it be perceptible or perceivable?
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RESOLUTION: Accept additional text for Understanding blinking, as amended in meeting, and described at http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Definition_of_blinking
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q+
21:33:00 [korn]
Zakim, who is talking?
21:33:07 [Loretta]
zakim, who is making noise?
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korn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (8%), Michael_Cooper (42%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (9%), Katie_Haritos-Shea (9%)
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q+
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ack k
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Loretta, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Oracle] (87%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (30%)
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is adam_solomon
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+adam_solomon; got it
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q+
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q+
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ack l
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ack k
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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ack b
21:43:04 [MichaelC]
zakim, unmute Bruce
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Bruce_Bailey was not muted, MichaelC
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zakim, unmute3 me
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I don't understand 'unmute3 me', BBailey
21:45:48 [korn]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2012/WD-wcag2ict-20121126/#closed_functionality_sc
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+David_MacDonald
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hello?
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we see you
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The Working Group has four comments for the WCAG2ICT TF:
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(a) consider removing SC 1.4.4 from the list of those excepted in Closed Functionality - perhaps it is appropriate for this to not be a requirement in closed, but that isn't for WCAG to say; and further the text in Appendix A that characterizes the intent for 1.4.4 is incorrect (user agents are one way of achieving this, but the SC states that it must be achieved);
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(b) consider defining "set of documents" explicitly in the "key terms" section;
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(c) advice for SC 3.2.4 isn't consistent with the other "set of software" advice, and currently has the old text "an electronic document or a software user interface" which clearly should be replaced;
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 (d) since we only refer to potential gaps, "this document is not sufficient by itself to ensure accessibility ..." should really be " this document MAY not be sufficient by itself to ensure accessibility..." (unless there are specific known gaps, in which case it would be helpful to list some examples)
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RESOLUTION: The above four comments shall be submitted to the TF for their consideration
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-adam_solomon
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WCAG WG plans to meet next week, 13Dec12. Next meeting after that will be 10Jan13
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-Alex_Li
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-[Oracle]
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-Michael_Cooper
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-MoeKraft
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-Kathy
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-Gian_Wild
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-David_MacDonald
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-James_Nurthen
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Peter_Korn, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Li, Gian_Wild, Kathy, James_Nurthen, +1.650.253.aaaa, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, MoeKraft,
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... Katie_Haritos-Shea, adam_solomon, David_MacDonald
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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rrsagent, bye
22:28:06 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items
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zakim, bye