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14:56:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:56:51 <trackbot> Date: 06 December 2012
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14:57:57 <mmartin3> thanks glenn
14:58:06 <glenn> zakim, ??p2 is me
14:58:06 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
14:58:45 <glenn> mmartin3: if you see that RRSAgent, Zakim are already joined, then likely someone has already issued the start meeting command to trackbot
14:59:00 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:59:34 <mmartin3> zakim, Microsoft is mmartin3
14:59:35 <Zakim> +mmartin3; got it
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15:01:06 <pal> zakim, i am aabb
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15:03:07 <plh> agenda+ iana response
15:03:27 <plh> agenda+ SDP-US
15:04:13 <plh> agenda+ Update on issues reassigned to TTML.next
15:04:17 <plh> agenda+ Annex on XML wired encoding
15:04:48 <mmartin3> Chair not present
15:04:53 <mmartin3> Philippe officiating
15:05:01 <mmartin3> scribenick: Monica
15:05:05 <mmartin3> c/mmartin3
15:05:10 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
15:05:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "iana response" taken up [from plh]
15:05:11 <mmartin3> Zakim, who is here?
15:05:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, mmartin3, mijordan, pal, Plh
15:05:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see plh, mijordan, mmartin3, Zakim, RRSAgent, pal, glenn, trackbot
15:05:25 <mmartin3> Topic: IANA response
15:05:26 <plh> zakim, drop agendum 4
15:05:27 <Zakim> agendum 4, Annex on XML wired encoding, dropped
15:05:39 <mmartin3> glenn: Concrete annex in TTML 1.0 SE
15:05:52 <mmartin3> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10/spec/ttaf1-dfxp.html
15:06:12 <glenn> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10/spec/ttaf1-dfxp.html#concrete-encoding
15:06:14 <pal> q+
15:06:37 <plh> ack pal
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15:07:54 <mmartin3> pal: Discuss should vs. shall.
15:08:06 <mmartin3> glenn: Against SE not SDP-US.
15:08:13 <mmartin3> plh: What about IANA response?
15:08:27 <mmartin3> glenn: Can we call it an XML MIME type without a requirement on use of XML.
15:08:41 <mmartin3> ....Question raised by Mike Dolan.
15:08:48 <mmartin3> plh: Template for media type.
15:08:56 <Zakim> + +1.858.882.aacc
15:09:08 <mmartin3> glenn: Need to update.
15:09:13 <mmartin3> plh: Any objections?
15:09:17 <glenn> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10/spec/ttaf1-dfxp.html#media-type-registration
15:09:19 <mmartin3> glenn: Annex C
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15:10:24 <mmartin3> plh: There were are a series of comments that need to be normalized to update the SE.
15:10:45 <Zakim> -pal
15:10:56 <Zakim> +pal
15:11:03 <mmartin3> plh: Edit existing template.
15:11:12 <Zakim> + +1.858.882.aadd
15:11:12 <mmartin3> zakim, who is here?
15:11:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, mmartin3, mijordan, Plh, pal, +1.858.882.aadd
15:11:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see pal, mike, plh, mijordan, mmartin3, Zakim, RRSAgent, glenn, trackbot
15:11:35 <mmartin3> Zakim, .aadd is mike
15:11:35 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named '.aadd'
15:11:44 <mmartin3> zakim, aadd is mike
15:11:44 <Zakim> +mike; got it
15:12:23 <mmartin3> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Nov/0023.html
15:12:28 <mmartin3> (thread)
15:12:38 <mmartin3> mike: Char set was discussed.
15:13:15 <plh> "In the absence of other requirements, a TTML document should be concretely encoded as a well-formed XML 1.0 [XML 1.0] document using the UTF-8 character encoding."
15:14:46 <mmartin3> mike: Should for both XML and UTF-8.
15:15:03 <mmartin3> glenn: Applies to both.
15:15:23 <mmartin3> ...Don't want to trigger substantive changes in SE.
15:16:07 <mmartin3> mike: Be clear with title of Section G.
15:16:54 <mmartin3> mike: G Specific encodings G.1 XML Encoding
15:17:30 <mmartin3> plh: Why not update Conformance section instead?
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15:17:48 <mmartin3> glenn: Wouldn't this trigger more than an editorial update?
15:17:54 <mmartin3> c/glenn/plh
15:17:56 <Zakim> +pal.a
15:17:59 <mmartin3> stet
15:18:07 <mmartin3> plh: Doesn't matter where it is.
15:18:19 <mmartin3> glenn: Could put in Conformance section and link to G.
15:19:23 <Zakim> -pal
15:19:34 <mmartin3> plh: Make appropriate references in Conformance section.
15:19:50 <mmartin3> ...IANA - point to a version.
15:20:07 <mmartin3> ...Will reply to IANA and indicate we will reapply once we publish SE.
15:20:11 <mmartin3> mike: Timing?
15:21:11 <glenn> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10/spec/ttaf1-dfxp.html#common-styling
15:21:50 <mmartin3> glenn: Actions open and new edition with a TBD (Appendix N) on styling. Q1 CY 13
15:21:59 <mmartin3> plh: We should publish now.
15:22:38 <mmartin3> mike: Use example we have ready
15:23:28 <mmartin3> ...Publish now.
15:23:33 <mmartin3> plh: Publish.
15:24:28 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Agree. We also need to add displayAlign feature to be consistent with changes to be included in TTML 1.0 SE.
15:24:39 <mmartin3> glenn: Other open issues.
15:24:59 <mmartin3> Issue-172
15:25:35 <mmartin3> Issue-173
15:26:15 <mmartin3> Related to SDP-US and Unicode.
15:26:26 <mmartin3> plh: Publish after resolution?
15:26:31 <mmartin3> glenn:
15:26:33 <mmartin3> Agree.
15:28:19 <mmartin3> ...14 issues open to 1.0.
15:28:29 <mmartin3> plh: Prefer to go ahead and publish 1.0 SE.
15:28:55 <mmartin3> ...Discuss next week.
15:28:56 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
15:28:56 <Zakim> agendum 2. "SDP-US" taken up [from plh]
15:29:38 <plh> Monica: Glenn did some of the changes related to issues @@ and 190
15:30:10 <plh> ... will take it if offline with Glenn
15:30:20 <plh> Glenn: ok
15:31:25 <mmartin3> mmartin3; Editorial changes so we can publish for Last Call and notify Chairs.
15:31:40 <mmartin3> glenn: Wasn't sure how to update editorial.
15:32:00 <mmartin3> ...displayAlign?
15:33:14 <mmartin3> ...constrain feature?
15:33:52 <mmartin3> ...use of center?'
15:34:03 <mmartin3> mike: No opinion.
15:35:10 <mmartin3> glenn: Center may not be required.
15:35:53 <mmartin3> ...not in 608 document perhaps.
15:36:12 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Also discuss with Sean.
15:36:20 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
15:36:20 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update on issues reassigned to TTML.next" taken up [from plh]
15:36:45 <plh> issue-188?
15:36:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Bounding SDP-US rendering complexity -- open
15:36:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188
15:37:01 <plh> reassigned to TTML.next
15:37:48 <plh> issue-184?
15:37:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- set animation is not taken is not account in the computed style set -- open
15:37:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/184
15:39:35 <mmartin3> mike: Proposal to address all open issues that affect SDP-US in updates for TTML 1.0 Second Edition.  We can handle the other issues in a subsequent TTML 1.0 edition or in 1.1.
15:39:47 <mmartin3> glenn: Moratorium Dec 15.
15:39:55 <mmartin3> ..to publish
15:40:31 <mmartin3> ,,,can we get SE out?
15:40:32 <plh> "No publications between 14 December 2012 and 2 Jan 2013." https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2012AprJun/0093.html
15:40:51 <mmartin3> ...internal last call?
15:41:03 <mmartin3> plh: We don't have time and we need to talk to director.
15:41:22 <mmartin3> ...Get done in Jan 2013 for SE.
15:42:53 <mmartin3> mike: DECE is publishing second week of Jan so if we can get this done by that time.
15:44:13 <mmartin3> plh: Need internal draft for TTWG by Dec 20; be ready with issues and proposals for inclusion of TTML 1.0 SE. Start review period around Dec 20. 1st week of Jan we make a decision and then publish by the second week.
15:44:20 <mmartin3> No objections.
15:44:35 <mmartin3> EVERYONE NEEDS TO HAVE ISSUES W/PROPOSALS FOR TTML 1.0 SE ON DEC 13.
15:45:14 <mmartin3> glenn: Will update media section.
15:45:29 <mmartin3> ...mike will summarize the media type record for Glenn.
15:45:42 <mmartin3> plh: Propose template.
15:46:04 <mmartin3> action mike create updated template and summary of media type record for Glenn.
15:46:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - Create updated template and summary of media type record for Glenn. [on Mike Dolan - due 2012-12-13].
15:46:54 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Last Call timing?
15:47:05 <mmartin3> plh: Suggest 4 weeks.
15:47:12 <mmartin3> ...In line with process.
15:47:32 <mmartin3> ...4 weeks after holiday.
15:48:05 <mmartin3> ...what is most important?
15:48:11 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Be ready at same time.
15:49:12 <mmartin3> ...Can't we publish with the editorial updates?
15:49:34 <mmartin3> glenn: Resolve displayAlign.
15:49:41 <mmartin3> plh: Any objections to on publish?
15:49:43 <mmartin3> mike: No
15:50:01 <mmartin3> plh: Has to be done by Dec 12.
15:50:12 <mmartin3> plh: AOB?
15:50:17 <mmartin3> Adjourned.
15:50:27 <mmartin3> zakim, who is here?
15:50:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, mmartin3, mijordan, Plh, mike, pal.a
15:50:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see pal_, mike, plh, mmartin3, Zakim, RRSAgent, glenn, trackbot
15:50:35 <Zakim> -mike
15:50:37 <Zakim> -mijordan
15:50:37 <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
15:50:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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15:50:45 <mmartin3> trackbot, list attendees
15:50:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:50:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-tt-minutes.html trackbot
15:50:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:50:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
15:50:46 <trackbot> Sorry, mmartin3, I don't understand 'trackbot, list attendees'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help.