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13:40:59 <Yves_> Scribe Yves
13:41:06 <Yves_> ScribeNick: yves_
13:41:44 <Yves_> Meeting: ITS Test Suite Webinar
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13:42:54 <Yves_> present+ Yves_
13:43:43 <Yves_> Chair: Dominic Jones
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13:57:34 <DomJones_> We'll wait until 14.05 to start
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14:00:43 <Yves_> zakim, who is here?
14:00:43 <Zakim> sorry, Yves_, I don't know what conference this is
14:00:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ankit, igor_ignatyuk, Declan, thomas, leroy_, Nieves, kfritsche, DomJones_, Zakim, RRSAgent, Yves_, Philip_ODuffy_UL, trackbot
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14:05:04 <Yves_> DomJones: We will start soon
14:05:25 <Yves_> .. checking that we have one each partner
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14:07:20 <Yves_> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:07:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/04-mlw-lt-minutes.html Yves_
14:07:31 <Yves_> .. will run high level of the test suite
14:07:44 <Yves_> ..  then Leroy will run some example code
14:08:02 <Yves_> .. we provide the gold file
14:08:24 <Yves_> .. you provide your output, which must match the gold
14:08:50 <Yves_> .. some data categories have many implementers, other only just enough
14:09:02 <Yves_> .. we need at least TWO per data category
14:09:13 <Yves_> .. otherwise the data category is dropped
14:09:32 <Yves_> .. I will send links to the test suite
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14:10:06 <Yves_> .. you need to get the input and gold
14:10:15 <Yves_> .. generate your output from the input
14:10:24 <Yves_> .. and compare against the gold
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14:10:55 <Yves_> .. the output is in a 'standard' format
14:11:26 <Yves_> .. conformance is illustrated by a proper output
14:12:22 <Yves_> .. color show the stage of the tests
14:12:52 <Yves_> .. we will have a test page showing the results
14:13:11 <Yves_> .. we will not diff all your files
14:13:36 <Yves_> .. but rely on your honesty
14:14:10 <Yves_> .. end of January we hope to be at stage 2
14:14:26 <Yves_> .. key dates:
14:14:40 <Yves_> .. review of the test files (ongoing)
14:14:50 <Yves_> .. today: webinar
14:15:16 <Yves_> .. M2 before Christmas break: at least one file passes for each data category
14:15:29 <Yves_> M3 end of January: all test should run
14:15:36 <Yves_> .. but may not be conformant
14:16:11 <Yves_> M4, early march 2013: most test conformant
14:16:30 <Yves_> M5: march 15 for the MLW-LT review
14:16:45 <Yves_> .. at 80% done
14:17:02 <Yves_> .. now example from Leroy
14:18:01 <Yves_> leroy: here is an example of an input file
14:18:10 <Yves_> .. we parse it, apply the rules
14:18:19 <Yves_> .. and generate the test result
14:18:48 <Yves_> .. in this example we use an intermediate XSL file
14:18:59 <Yves_> .. and an intermediate XML
14:19:17 <Yves_> .. then we convert to ITS 2.0
14:19:30 <Yves_> .. the example was done based on example from 1.0
14:19:52 <Yves_> .. then we do a XSL transfor to the tab-delimited file
14:20:15 <Yves_> .. the gold format is described in the output guidelines
14:20:20 <Yves_> .. tab-delimited
14:20:32 <Yves_> .. attributes must be in alphabeticall order
14:20:51 <Yves_> .. have a utility to do the sorting if you need
14:21:15 <Yves_> .. the data cat info is alo in alphabetical order
14:21:28 <Yves_> .. have a utility for the sort for that too
14:22:15 <Yves_> .. name of info uses XML attribute names
14:22:44 <Yves_> Phil: what is the last point?
14:23:19 <Yves_> leroy: need to use XML name because we have same name regardless of the input
14:23:36 <Yves_> .. whether it's XML or HTML
14:24:13 <Yves_> .. will post the link to the example code
14:24:19 <Yves_> .. it's on GitHub
14:24:41 <Yves_> .. an example for Language information, for XML only
14:25:49 <Yves_> .. uses XML parser (Saxon) but you can use another
14:25:54 <Yves_> .. uses also Ant
14:26:53 <Yves_> .. uses XLink in this example to link the rules with the input file
14:27:22 <Yves_> .. uses several XSL template for the transforms
14:28:36 <Yves_> .. java code simply triggers the XSL templates and Ant
14:29:04 <Yves_> .. one function tidy up the XSL output
14:29:19 <Yves_> .. sort the paths and the information
14:29:30 <Yves_> .. also normalizes the information names
14:29:41 <Yves_> .. and then write the output
14:32:00 <Yves_> DomJones: any question?
14:32:15 <Yves_> None.
14:32:30 <Yves_> .. will circulate the slides after the webinar
14:32:42 <Yves_> .. Now, what can we do to help you?
14:32:55 <Yves_> .. updating input and output files
14:33:06 <Yves_> .. but can't help you with your process
14:33:33 <Yves_> .. send bug to test mailing list
14:33:45 <Yves_> .. with a [bug] prefix in the subject
14:34:03 <Yves_> .. Lucy? Tilde? Adobe? Shuan?
14:34:28 <Yves_> .. will have a recording of the presentation
14:34:34 <Yves_> .. any questions?
14:35:01 <Yves_> Fredrik_L: what about the filename in the Google list
14:35:11 <Yves_> leroy: will have the filename
14:35:29 <Yves_> .. we will update the input from the latest draft
14:35:36 <Yves_> .. as well as the output
14:35:50 <Yves_> DomJones: were waiting for the stable draft
14:36:36 <Yves_> Fredrik_L: any example of the standoff markup output?
14:36:49 <Yves_> leroy: did asked about it a while ago
14:36:57 <Yves_> .. no answer so far
14:37:13 <Yves_> .. so we can have an email thread for this
14:37:38 <Yves_> DomJones: thanks for attending
14:37:46 <Yves_> .. will send an email with links
14:37:57 <Yves_> .. keep key dates in mind
14:38:10 <Yves_> leroy: also key questions
14:38:20 <Yves_> .. important to get those answer ASAP
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14:39:06 <DomJones_> Yves, can you generate minutes for me?
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