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15:00:15 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Community Group Teleconference
15:00:15 <trackbot> Date: 30 November 2012
15:00:18 <MacTed> Zakim, code?
15:00:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 93243 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed
15:00:28 <Zakim> +??P14
15:00:30 <Zakim> -??P14
15:00:33 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:00:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, OpenLink_Software
15:00:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, bblfish, bobP, MacTed, deiu, sandro, oberger, webr3, jmvanel, magnetik, betehess, timbl, bergi, trackbot, mischat, rszeno, elf-pavlik, trueg_away
15:00:39 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:00:39 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
15:00:41 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
15:00:41 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
15:00:46 <Zakim> +bblfish
15:01:01 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
15:01:01 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
15:01:19 <Zakim> +??P14
15:01:34 <deiu> Zakim, ??P14 is me
15:01:34 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
15:01:44 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
15:01:44 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:01:49 <bblfish> hi
15:02:01 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
15:02:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, MacTed, bblfish, deiu (muted)
15:02:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, bblfish, bobP, MacTed, deiu, sandro, oberger, webr3, jmvanel, magnetik, betehess, timbl, bergi, trackbot, mischat, rszeno, elf-pavlik, trueg_away
15:02:40 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
15:02:43 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: Formal WebID teleconf Fri Nov 30 at 16:00 CET / 10:00 am EST -- agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2012Nov/0290.html
15:02:44 <deiu> chair: bblfish
15:03:04 <bblfish> Agenda: Cleaning up the arguments for Hash http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/WebID_Definition/hash
15:04:19 <Zakim> +scor
15:05:22 <deiu> q+
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15:07:36 <scor> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, MacTed, bblfish, deiu (muted), scor
15:09:24 <deiu> q?
15:09:28 <bblfish> q?
15:12:41 <Zakim> +??P8
15:13:09 <deiu> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/WebID_Definition/hash
15:14:48 <bergi> Zakim, ??P8 is me
15:14:48 <Zakim> +bergi; got it
15:14:49 <deiu> Alex said that we should have requirements, not use-cases.
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15:20:09 <bblfish> q?
15:20:10 <deiu> ack d
15:20:47 <scor> deiu: we're trying to move on with the spec so we can switch a WG
15:20:53 <scor> ... and we should not waste time
15:21:32 <scor> ... re Apple KeyChain: we cannot change the spec because one application. not how it should work. applications should follow the spec
15:21:46 <deiu> Zakim, mute me
15:21:46 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:22:02 <deiu> Zakim, unmute me
15:22:02 <Zakim> deiu should no longer be muted
15:22:06 <scor> zakim, scribe: scor
15:22:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'scribe: scor', scor
15:23:03 <scor> bblfish: can we convince ALex and deiu  to  go with the SHOULD
15:23:46 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
15:23:46 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:24:11 <deiu> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/WebID_Definition/Requirements
15:24:21 <scor> bblfish: Alex had his own requirements. I asked if he was able to accept the SHOULD. I argued all his requirements can match with SHOUDL
15:24:28 <scor> s/SHOUDL/SHOULD
15:25:17 <scor> bblfish: would have been nice if Alex was here on the call
15:25:27 <bblfish> q?
15:26:23 <deiu> Zakim, unmute me
15:26:23 <Zakim> deiu should no longer be muted
15:26:24 <scor> PROPOSAL: 1. MUST be a an HTTP(s) hash (#) URI
15:26:49 <MacTed> s/PROPOSAL/STRAW POLL/
15:27:42 <bblfish> STRAW POLL: 1. MUST be a an HTTP(s) hash (#) URI
15:27:49 <bblfish> -1
15:27:50 <MacTed> -1
15:27:52 <scor> -1
15:27:54 <deiu> 0
15:28:00 <bergi> -1
15:28:17 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:28:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, MacTed, bblfish, deiu, scor, bergi
15:28:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see melvster, scor, Zakim, RRSAgent, bblfish, bobP, MacTed, deiu, sandro, oberger, webr3, jmvanel, magnetik, betehess, timbl, bergi, trackbot, mischat, rszeno, elf-pavlik,
15:28:18 <Zakim> ... trueg_away
15:28:40 <scor> STRAW POLL: 2. MUST be HTTP uri and SHOULD be an HTTP(s) hash (#) URI
15:28:47 <bblfish> +1
15:28:48 <deiu> +1
15:28:50 <bergi> +1
15:28:54 <scor> +0.5
15:29:00 <MacTed> -0.5
15:29:09 <melvster> +1
15:29:23 <melvster> why does it say HTTP first then HTTP(S) 2nd?
15:29:37 <scor> STRAW POLL: 3. MUST be an HTTP(s) URI
15:29:38 <MacTed> s/MUST be HTTP uri/MUST be HTTP(S) uri/
15:29:42 <MacTed> melvster - typo.
15:29:46 <deiu> -1
15:29:47 <MacTed> +1
15:29:49 <bblfish> +0.2
15:29:53 <scor> +1
15:30:04 <bergi> +1
15:30:20 <scor> melvster: want to vote?
15:30:23 <melvster> 0
15:30:29 <melvster> sorry was thinking :)
15:32:12 <MacTed> 3. MUST be HTTP uri and MAY be an HTTP(s) hash (#) URI
15:33:44 <scor> melvster: want to give your vote for option 1. MUST be a an HTTP(s) hash (#) URI ?
15:34:18 <melvster> scor: 0 on that one
15:34:41 <scor> melvster: thanks
15:34:49 <Zakim> -bblfish
15:35:01 <bblfish> I'll come right back just continue...
15:36:30 <Zakim> +bblfish
15:37:19 <bblfish> q+
15:37:27 <scor> Straw poll totals: MUST = -3 SHOULD = +6 Open = +5.2
15:38:31 <deiu> ack bblfish
15:45:51 <MacTed> it sounds like deiu's theory is that "MUST hash" equates to "303s don't happen" and I don't agree with that by any stretch
15:46:22 <deiu> Hash URIs make it easy to explain the difference between the Profile document ( a Information Resource from WebArch ) where the description of the agent resides and the user identifier as in the picture in the spec.
15:47:22 <deiu> Which opens the door to redirects that must be well documented in the spec.
15:49:58 <bblfish> foaf:knows#it
15:55:13 <bblfish> http://sdkfjslkdfsdfsdf/sdfsdfsd.ttl
15:55:31 <bblfish>  http://sdkfjslkdfsdfsdf.onion/sdfsdfsd.ttl
15:58:03 <scor> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/WebID_Definition/hash#Poll_results
15:58:57 <deiu> Actually, I am changing my vote for 3) from -1 to -0.5
15:59:54 <bblfish> see you next week
15:59:56 <Zakim> -MacTed
15:59:59 <Zakim> -Bob_Powers
16:00:05 <Zakim> -bergi
16:00:07 <Zakim> -deiu
16:00:09 <Zakim> -scor
16:00:12 <bblfish> where we resolve this issue
16:00:20 <deiu> it's not an issue
16:00:28 <deiu> it's just a straw poll
16:00:52 <bblfish> sorry I wrote that out on 2 lines
16:00:56 <scor> deiu: bblfish said next week
16:01:06 <bblfish> the two lines toegther say: next week we can resolve this issue
16:01:13 <bblfish> :-)
16:01:13 <deiu> ah
16:01:34 <deiu> trackbot, end meeting
16:01:34 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:01:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Bob_Powers, bblfish, MacTed, deiu, scor, bergi
16:01:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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