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15:05:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
15:05:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start 5 minutes ago
15:05:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
15:05:30 <trackbot> Date: 29 November 2012
15:05:39 <mmartin3> Chair Sean Hayes
15:05:40 <plh> Chair: Sean
15:05:52 <mmartin3> Regrets: Frans and Andreas
15:05:54 <mmartin3> Present:
15:05:59 <mmartin3> zakim, who is here?
15:05:59 <Zakim> I notice SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has restarted
15:06:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +1.408.771.aaaa, Sean, Plh, +1.310.210.aacc, glenn, +1.858.847.aadd
15:06:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see mike2, RRSAgent, mike, courtney, Zakim, plh, Sean, mmartin3, glenn, trackbot
15:06:16 <mmartin3> IANA response
15:06:23 <mmartin3> Topic: IANA response
15:06:45 <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Nov/0023.html
15:07:07 <mmartin3> plh: Reply by Dec 15.
15:07:30 <mmartin3> ...charset parametre
15:07:35 <mmartin3> ...c/parameter
15:07:47 <mmartin3> ..RFC3023 and diff
15:08:00 <plh> "If supplied, the charset parameter must match the XML encoding declaration."
15:08:19 <mmartin3> ...Remove all references.
15:08:44 <mmartin3> mike: Detailed reply by Mike.
15:08:55 <mmartin3> ...Talk about this sentence.
15:09:20 <mmartin3> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Nov/0036.html
15:09:32 <mmartin3> If supplied, the charset parameter must match the XML encoding declaration, or if absent, the actual encoding
15:10:04 <mmartin3> ..Filed a new Issue-197 on TTML 1.0.
15:10:18 <mmartin3> ...If supplied, the charset parameter must match the XML encoding declaration, or if absent, the actual encoding.
15:10:25 <mmartin3> plh: Check XML spec.
15:10:29 <mmartin3> mike: Silent.
15:11:07 <mmartin3> plh: UTF-8 or 16 or you have to have a XML declaration.
15:11:55 <mmartin3> mike: Even if only UTF-8 or 16, you still have issues.
15:12:13 <mmartin3> plh: What is actual encoding definition?
15:12:57 <mmartin3> mike: TTML 1.0 is silent. XML 1.0 is unclear.
15:13:07 <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#charencoding
15:13:19 <plh> [[ parsed entities which are stored in an encoding other than UTF-8 or UTF-16 MUST begin with a text declaration (see 4.3.1 The Text Declaration) containing an encoding declaration ]]
15:14:25 <mmartin3> glenn: Discusses what XML 1.0 says.
15:15:01 <mmartin3> sean: TTML doesn't specify this. Is it premature to register a MIME type at this time.
15:16:22 <mmartin3> sean: If we tackle all the issues for XML, we need to have a note on application of TTML using XML encoding.
15:17:01 <mmartin3> glenn: Could have a TTML 1.0 SE appendix that defines a wire encoding.
15:17:45 <mmartin3> [discuss optioins]
15:17:48 <mmartin3> c/options
15:18:08 <mmartin3> plh: ttml+xml
15:18:30 <mmartin3> mike: We are left with the specification telling us to do something without a MIME type.
15:18:30 <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-ttaf1-dfxp-20101118/#conformance-content
15:18:54 <mmartin3> mike: People are using dxfp.
15:19:33 <mmartin3> [Discuss what we do in testing.]
15:19:42 <mmartin3> mike: Let lapse. We can start over.
15:20:02 <mmartin3> sean: Lapse and get ducks in a row with a new note and then re-register.
15:21:06 <mmartin3> glenn: Still wish to put an annex in SE.
15:21:37 <mmartin3> sean: Complete by next week's call.
15:22:01 <mmartin3> Action Glenn Create an Annex on using of XML wire encoding in TTML 1.0 SE.
15:22:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-132 - Create an Annex on using of XML wire encoding in TTML 1.0 SE. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-12-06].
15:22:28 <mmartin3> plh: Respond to IANA we won't be ready by Dec 15.
15:23:04 <mmartin3> mike: We have most of the bits to redo a submisson that is acceptable to IANA.
15:24:20 <mmartin3> Resolution: Agreed to give Glenn 1 week to write an Annex. If this doesn't materialize, send email to IANA on the expiration of the request.
15:24:41 <mmartin3> Topic: SDP-US Issues and Actions
15:25:06 <mmartin3> Issue-182?
15:25:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Allow more than one profile to be used in the SDP-US. Add use of ttp:profile element. -- open
15:25:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/182
15:26:00 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Added namespace. http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#terms
15:26:08 <mmartin3> ..Can close.
15:26:15 <mmartin3> Close Issue-182
15:26:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-182 Allow more than one profile to be used in the SDP-US. Add use of ttp:profile element. closed
15:26:28 <mmartin3> Issue-190?
15:26:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Background vs Window Color -- pending review
15:26:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/190
15:26:44 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Added example 2.
15:26:53 <mmartin3> ...Explanatory text.
15:27:23 <mmartin3> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#Constrained_TTML_Feature_backgroundColor
15:27:50 <mmartin3> glenn: Need colorization.
15:28:42 <mmartin3> ..copy into Visual Studio.
15:28:53 <mmartin3> mike: On Issue-182, we don't address multiple profiles.
15:29:46 <mmartin3> glenn: Strange to be different than TTML 1.0.
15:29:50 <mmartin3> mmartin3: See also Conformance. [TTML10] allows zero or more profiles (ttp:profile in the head element) to be specified and used simultaneously. A presentation processor may reject documents it does not understand.
15:30:35 <mmartin3> sean: Close on SE on Issue-183.
15:30:54 <mmartin3> glenn: TTML 1.0 talks about semantically additive profiles.
15:31:10 <mmartin3> sean: Algorithm exists.
15:31:37 <mmartin3> glenn: Agreed.
15:32:03 <mmartin3> sean: Have implemented TTML 1.0 and it gave me an answer using the algorithm.
15:32:19 <mmartin3> ...May need more text to describe.
15:32:34 <mmartin3> mike: Agreed it should be in TTML 1.0.
15:32:55 <mmartin3> ...DXFP 1.0 + SDP-US profile is the issue.
15:33:01 <mmartin3> ..Deal with in TTML 1.0.
15:33:48 <mmartin3> glenn: How does ttp:profile constrain processor or content.
15:33:55 <mmartin3> Issue-190?
15:33:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Background vs Window Color -- pending review
15:33:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/190
15:34:25 <mmartin3> Close Issue-190?
15:34:29 <mmartin3> Close Issue-190
15:34:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-190 Background vs Window Color closed
15:34:40 <mmartin3> Issue-188?
15:34:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Bounding SDP-US rendering complexity -- open
15:34:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188
15:34:53 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Descriptive text in annex.
15:35:12 <mmartin3> ...Section A.3 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#Section4
15:35:30 <mmartin3> Text: Consideration may be given to defining a rendering model that accounts for drawing performance.
15:36:27 <mmartin3> mike: Need to capture for future?
15:36:44 <mmartin3> sean: Create an issue on v.next.
15:37:27 <mmartin3> pal: Change target for deliverable for Issue-188.
15:37:50 <mmartin3> ..Add comment on why target was changed.
15:38:09 <mmartin3> Issue-194?
15:38:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- root container needs better definition -- open
15:38:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194
15:38:38 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Glenn added information in 7.4.2: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#constraints-8
15:39:41 <mmartin3> mike: Why did you choose a note rather than a requirement?
15:39:50 <mmartin3> glenn: Use SE terminology.
15:40:23 <mmartin3> mike: Why not include in R0021 or R0022?
15:40:44 <mmartin3> glenn: Clarification of what media object means in this context.
15:40:58 <mmartin3> mike: OK with text.
15:41:10 <mmartin3> Close Issue-194.
15:41:14 <mmartin3> Close Issue-194
15:41:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-194 root container needs better definition closed
15:41:21 <mmartin3> Issue-196?
15:41:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Constraining encoding to UTF-8 -- open
15:41:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/196
15:41:36 <mmartin3> mmartin3: 2 reqts Section 10.1
15:41:40 <mmartin3> ...http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#Encoding_Constraints
15:42:06 <mmartin3> A TTML document must be concretely represented as a well-formed [XML10] entity. A TTML document must be concretely represented using the UTF-8 character encoding [UNICODE].
15:42:15 <mmartin3> glenn: Describes reqts.
15:42:29 <mmartin3> ...Add normative references.
15:42:42 <mmartin3> ...document representation in table
15:43:09 <mmartin3> Close Issue-196
15:43:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-196 Constraining encoding to UTF-8 closed
15:43:27 <mmartin3> glenn: Added prose before requirements.
15:43:51 <mmartin3> ...Content Authors must adhere to and Presentation processors must support the following constraints:....
15:45:14 <mmartin3> Issue-189?
15:45:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- do regions scroll their flowed content? -- open
15:45:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189
15:45:30 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Example SE, text SDP-US pointed to it.
15:45:46 <mmartin3> Asked a question about displayAlign.
15:45:53 <mmartin3> ..Defer to Glenn on his questions.
15:47:41 <mmartin3> glenn: Didn't know where to add the example in SE.
15:48:04 <mmartin3> ...Discusses his concerns.
15:48:50 <mmartin3> ..Synchronic documents, no animation of the content.
15:49:39 <mmartin3> ..What is the need for this?
15:50:01 <mmartin3> mike: Has alluded many experts how to simulate a scrolling region using synchronic timing is critical.
15:50:37 <mmartin3> sean: This uses overflow to implement what looks like a roll-up.
15:51:05 <mmartin3> glenn: For users' needs.
15:52:02 <mmartin3> ..Suggest an appendix to show applications of TTML.
15:52:47 <mmartin3> sean: Put in new section after 1.2.
15:54:01 <mmartin3> mike: Need to simulate where captions is an application.
15:55:43 <mmartin3> Add empty section in SE as placeholder and point to it from SDP-US.
15:55:50 <mmartin3> c/Add/Glenn: Add
15:56:24 <mmartin3> sean: Put all examples in an annex?
15:57:07 <mmartin3> glenn: Add empty subsection reference.
15:57:54 <mmartin3> ...Put in rough content in SE and then reference in SDP-US.
15:59:08 <mmartin3> sean: We should close all issues and then agree to publish to Working Group Note.
15:59:51 <mmartin3> pal: Read through document and then publish.
16:00:34 <mmartin3> glenn: Editorial issues - need to do some formating and text cleanup.
16:01:16 <mmartin3> ...Rewrite Conformance and Error Handling
16:01:44 <mmartin3> sean: Moratorium
16:01:59 <mmartin3> ...Publish as Last Call
16:02:03 <mmartin3> ...2-4 week review
16:02:18 <mmartin3> Resolution: To publish as Last Call this week with changes.
16:02:35 <mmartin3> Final at New Year.
16:02:42 <Zakim> -glenn
16:02:44 <Zakim> -Plh
16:02:44 <Zakim> - +1.310.210.aacc
16:02:45 <Zakim> - +1.858.847.aadd
16:02:45 <Zakim> -Sean
16:02:53 <mmartin3> trackbot, end meeting
16:02:53 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:02:53 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], +1.408.771.aaaa, +1.425.658.aabb, Plh, +1.310.210.aacc, glenn, +1.858.847.aadd, Sean
16:02:56 <Zakim> - +1.408.771.aaaa
16:03:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:03:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-tt-minutes.html trackbot
16:03:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:03:02 <RRSAgent> I see no action items