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13:07:14 <Yves_> Hi Felix, we are waiting for the GTM to start
13:08:11 <Yves_> Ok I'll start a different one then.
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13:12:48 <Yves_> Scribe: Yves_
13:12:56 <Yves_> LQ Rating/Precis
13:13:03 <Yves_> Topic: LQ Rating/Precis
13:14:07 <Yves_> Phil: let's drop global
13:14:22 <Yves_> .. for score I think Des was asking for 0 to 100
13:14:27 <Yves_> .. and make them decimal
13:16:09 <Yves_> Y: what about threshold?
13:16:33 <Yves_> Jirka: can do a condition
13:16:40 <Yves_> .. or create two threshold
13:18:05 <Yves_> Y: do we have example for the two types of score at the same time?
13:18:16 <Yves_> Jirka: currently it's not allowed
13:18:42 <Yves_> Phil: not one of my scenarios
13:19:07 <Yves_> Jirka: we can have two thresholds and keep the scores exclusive
13:19:22 <philr> Yes, two thresholds is fine with me.
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13:19:33 <Yves_> .. that way we can have a change if needed
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13:21:12 <daveL> scribe: daveL
13:21:36 <daveL> topic: loc quality precis data category
13:22:06 <daveL> yves: summarising, based on discussion with phil, arle
13:22:37 <daveL> ... keeping score and vote mutually exclusive and give them separate thresholds
13:23:00 <daveL> ... will update these offline
13:23:06 <daveL> .. later today
13:24:15 <Yves_> Scribe: yves_
13:24:34 <Yves_> Dave: no issue in ussing both provenance and LQ rating
13:24:44 <philr> Way back locQualityIssue/Rating had an agent but this wa dropped so I would want to use Translation Agent Provenance
13:24:45 <Yves_> Scribe: Dave
13:25:46 <Yves_> another change for LQ Rating: use decimal from 0 to 100 for score.
13:26:04 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#its-tool-annotation
13:27:24 <daveL> topic: section 8 review
13:27:44 <daveL> ... christian has also sent a bunch of topic we will review later
13:28:42 <daveL> Yves: is a 'note' in a normative section itself nomartive
13:28:47 <daveL> jirka: no
13:30:23 <daveL> dave: do we need a table label?
13:31:00 <daveL> yves: good point, but how to do this?
13:32:17 <daveL> action: felix to check if the data category table can be given a numbered caption in ODD
13:32:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-333 - Check if the data category table can be given a numbered caption in ODD [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-05].
13:34:29 <daveL> karl: points out some issues in example 28 following the table
13:35:20 <daveL> ... with notes in the rule, but not in the content
13:35:43 <daveL> Fixed by introducing a type element in exmaple 28
13:42:56 <daveL> topic: translate
13:43:05 <daveL> yves: seems Ok
13:43:14 <daveL> topic: localsiaiton note
13:43:48 <daveL> should values be in code element or quote element.
13:44:49 <daveL> There seem to be an issue with quote element missing a space in the generated document.
13:45:25 <daveL> also seem to be val in the 'val' element in some places
13:46:10 <daveL> action: yves to check consistency of use of quote and val
13:46:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-334 - Check consistency of use of quote and val [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-12-05].
13:46:32 <daveL> Yves: we need to know which is the right one to use and also the cause of this white space issue
13:47:40 <daveL> yves: will examples be validated
13:48:12 <daveL> action: jirka to run examples through ITS schema validator
13:48:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-335 - Run examples through ITS schema validator [on Jirka Kosek - due 2012-12-05].
13:49:35 <daveL> rrsagent, generate minutes
13:49:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/28-mlw-lt-minutes.html daveL
13:50:51 <daveL> Yves; another instance of missing white space for use of val element for description in locNoteType
13:51:16 <daveL> topic: terminology
13:52:38 <daveL> yves: should we have confidence score on this
13:55:04 <daveL> .. for global
13:56:38 <daveL> ... but it is there fore local
13:57:03 <daveL> ... so the issue is that we can't use confidence with attribute text
13:58:37 <daveL> action: daveL check up on concensus on not using confidence on term global
13:58:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-336 - Check up on concensus on not using confidence on term global [on David Lewis - due 2012-12-05].
14:01:01 <daveL> yves: concerned 39 is a bit contrved, but is there from 1.0
14:01:22 <daveL> yves; should we state in LOCAL definition that 'term' is required
14:02:17 <daveL> ... possibly not since this was OK for 1.0 even though we tend to say this in the new 2.0 data categories
14:02:24 <daveL> ... so leave this as is
14:02:32 <daveL> Topic: directionality
14:03:50 <daveL> dF; checked discussion on terminology, but its not clear there was support for confidence
14:04:56 <daveL> action: marcis to confirm that the current local (but not global) is supported - as this is not clear from discussion
14:04:56 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find marcis. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users>.
14:05:31 <daveL> action: daveL to check with marcis to confirm that the current local (but not global) is supported - as this is not clear from discussion
14:05:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-337 - Check with marcis to confirm that the current local (but not global) is supported - as this is not clear from discussion [on David Lewis - due 2012-12-05].
14:06:09 <daveL> yves: for directionality, we won't look in detail as note indicates it is a feature are risk, and the same for ruby
14:07:16 <daveL> jirka: there are some missing attribute in HTML5, but as this is unstable its difficult to determine this now
14:07:43 <daveL> ... recommend leaving it as it is and revisit against updates happending in HTML during the spec process
14:08:14 <daveL> topic: language information data category
14:09:51 <daveL> yves: there is an editor note on adding example for HTML5 and lang
14:10:34 <daveL> ... added some wording on use of lang in HTML
14:11:00 <daveL> ... and make some paragrpahs specific to XML
14:11:49 <daveL> ... but don't say anything about HTML since lang is mandated
14:13:27 <daveL> Yves; dropped the note about having a HTML example since it didn't seem very necessary
14:16:48 <daveL> karl; is the editor note looking for explanation of why we don't support HTML
14:17:37 <daveL> yves: Ok, add note explaining that lang is mandatory in HTML so it doesn't need to be supported in this data categories
14:17:47 <daveL> topic; elements within text
14:18:24 <daveL> yves: we did add a local mechanism that wasn't there before in 1.0
14:19:19 <daveL> ... seems Ok
14:19:31 <daveL> topic: domain
14:19:46 <daveL> yves: first of the new ones so needs careful examination
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14:31:41 <daveL> Made explanatory text for example 54 clearer
14:36:40 <daveL> added 'val' elements that were missing
14:40:06 <daveL> topic;disambiguation
14:40:31 <daveL> action: yves to add globally the disambigsource attribute
14:40:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-338 - Add globally the disambigsource attribute [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-12-05].
14:45:40 <daveL> removed ed note referring to need for test case. this was noted in general for all MUSTS in the last editing call
14:57:16 <daveL> daveL: do we need val elements for 0 and 1
14:57:45 <daveL> Yves: no since we are actually refernecing a range of values, plus it would need to be changed in a lot of places.
15:05:51 <daveL> fixed example 56 and 57
15:06:04 <daveL> topic; locale filter
15:06:46 <daveL> Yves: it was not clear why the line "Implementations MUST NOT combine lists of language ranges from multiple rules or local attributes." is there?
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15:07:24 <daveL> ... since it would be addressed anyway by overriding
15:22:14 <daveL> topic: provenance
15:22:25 <daveL> remove notes column from table as it was empty
15:23:49 <daveL> changes refernce of external provenance data to 'information'
15:24:38 <daveL> improved wording on example 61 text
15:28:28 <daveL> action: daveL to check with flix about provRef now only having one IRI rather than a list of them
15:28:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-339 - Check with flix about provRef now only having one IRI rather than a list of them [on David Lewis - due 2012-12-05].
15:28:33 <Yves_> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:30:36 <daveL> daveL: had an action to provide an XLIFF mapping version of the global ref to standoff data
15:31:02 <daveL> Yves: but this probably doesn't make sense right now since this would be for XLIFF2.0 which is not yet stable
15:31:21 <daveL> daveL; agreed, this should be something to pick up later in best practice
15:42:40 <Yves_> rrsagent, draft minutes
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