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15:33:14 <fsasaki> meeting: MLW-LT WG
15:33:16 <fsasaki> chair: fsasaki
15:33:19 <fsasaki> scribe: tbd
15:33:32 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0136.html
15:33:55 <fsasaki> regrets: Olaf-Michael, DavidF
15:34:52 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
15:35:10 <fsasaki> topic: roll call
15:35:12 <fsasaki> tbd
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16:05:00 <daveL> zakim, who's here ?
16:05:00 <Zakim> sorry, daveL, I don't know what conference this is
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16:05:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see chriLi, Yves_, Clemens, DomJones, giuseppe, Ankit, Jirka, Serge, petasis, joerg, kfritsche, Arle, fsasaki, daveL, Zakim, RRSAgent, shaunm, trackbot
16:05:07 <fsasaki> regrets+ pedro
16:05:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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16:06:08 <chriLi> present# chriLi
16:06:16 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html
16:06:22 <chriLi> present+ chrLi
16:06:24 <daveL> topic: minutes
16:06:41 <leroy> present+ leroy
16:06:47 <kfritsche> present +kfritsche
16:06:59 <kfritsche> present+ kfritsche
16:07:06 <Milan> present+ Milan
16:07:08 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0136.html
16:07:15 <daveL> topic: agenda
16:07:23 <daveL> felix: any comments on agenda
16:07:28 <daveL> ... there are none
16:07:31 <fsasaki> topic: Timeline
16:07:53 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0081.html
16:08:19 <fsasaki> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0
16:08:28 <daveL> felix: thanks for yves, dom and leroy on advancing testsuite
16:08:52 <daveL> ... any comments on further progress to milestones
16:09:20 <daveL> dom: some divergence in dates in different places
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16:09:31 <daveL> ... also have webinar planned
16:09:49 <daveL> ... but will plan out key dates update thursday with Leroy
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16:10:21 <daveL> ... and will publish new dates on steps through published testsuite files, revision deadlines etc by Friday
16:11:11 <fsasaki> present+ mauricio
16:11:15 <daveL> leroy: next version still need stable test files for provenance and disambiguation
16:12:07 <daveL> felix: asks in updated plan, will we have all tests run by march workshop?
16:12:42 <daveL> leroy: think this is an acceptable timeframe, with enough time for all impementers to test this out
16:12:58 <daveL> dom; hope there should only be small correction to implementations, not to the test suite
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16:13:51 <daveL> felix; important that implementors signal if they need more time to hit this test deadline, so we can manage the presentaiton of this
16:13:53 <fsasaki> topic: 1) mtconfidence
16:14:18 <daveL> felix: asks arle when we can make update
16:15:00 <daveL> arle: can try and finish by tomorrow tuesday
16:15:09 <fsasaki> topic: "confidence score" proposal
16:15:20 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0112.html
16:15:27 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0101.html
16:15:55 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0101.html
16:16:05 <daveL> felix: asks is everyone is happy in 0101 mail?
16:16:35 <fsasaki> action: felix to edit 101 mail into spec
16:16:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-298 - Edit 101 mail into spec [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26].
16:16:38 <daveL> ... and if so i will add these in
16:16:48 <fsasaki> topic: Rename "translation provenance"
16:16:59 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0120.html
16:17:00 <daveL> action: felix to update confidence scores input
16:17:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-299 - Update confidence scores input [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26].
16:17:13 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0115.html
16:17:32 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0139.html
16:18:04 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0120.html
16:18:22 <daveL> felix: can we put these proposals into draft
16:18:23 <fsasaki> action: felix to put 120 mail to provenance into the draft
16:18:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-300 - Put 120 mail to provenance into the draft [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26].
16:18:26 <daveL> yves; agrees
16:18:30 <daveL> jorge; agrees
16:18:37 <fsasaki> topic:  Tool information
16:18:51 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0078.html
16:19:40 <fsasaki> action: felix to edit tool information into the draft
16:19:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-301 - Edit tool information into the draft [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26].
16:19:56 <fsasaki> topic: For the editors: Pedro's text
16:20:03 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0034.html
16:20:31 <daveL> felix: mail on allowed characters and use to restrict markup
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16:20:41 <daveL> ... looking for co-editor to put that into the draft
16:20:59 <daveL> yves: can do this
16:21:17 <fsasaki> action: arle to edit the 0034 mail about allowed characters
16:21:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-302 - Edit the 0034 mail about allowed characters [on Arle Lommel - due 2012-11-26].
16:21:17 <daveL> arle: can also
16:21:34 <fsasaki> topic:  Global rule action items
16:22:16 <daveL> felix; actions related to loc qual precis, mt-confidence and domain
16:22:26 <fsasaki> present+ phil
16:22:34 <daveL> ... any feedback on loc qual rules
16:22:51 <daveL> ... looking for real life examples
16:23:34 <daveL> phil: not sure I have use cases for it in global rules
16:23:58 <daveL> felix; this is also a statement, but let keep action open for another week
16:24:05 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
16:24:11 <fsasaki> dave: one reason for global rules:
16:24:18 <fsasaki> .. are they e.g. used for attribute text
16:24:31 <fsasaki> .. not sure if it would apply in this case
16:24:42 <fsasaki> .. for MTConfidence score it seems to be a strong case
16:24:50 <fsasaki> scribe: daveL
16:25:05 <fsasaki> topic: global rules for qa issue
16:25:13 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0103.html
16:25:27 <fsasaki> "locQualityIssuesRefPointer"
16:25:46 <daveL> felix: yves reviewed these rules, but concluded that only one pointer attribute was needed - for stand off
16:25:56 <daveL> ... but don't need other pointer attirbutes
16:26:04 <daveL> yves: confirms
16:26:36 <daveL> ... and as there are no views to the contrary will remove the pointer rules
16:27:04 <daveL> action: yves to remove pointer attributes from locquality issues as per 0103 mail
16:27:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-303 - Remove pointer attributes from locquality issues as per 0103 mail [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-11-26].
16:27:12 <fsasaki> topic: Disambiguation section health check
16:27:25 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0132.html
16:27:34 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#Disambiguation
16:27:45 <daveL> felix: thanks to jorge, yves and others working on that section
16:28:36 <daveL> ... proposed keeping only global pointers and remove other rules and simplified local selectors
16:29:08 <daveL> yves; only change to default for granularity value and I can do that
16:30:20 <daveL> felix: but do we need this ins the section6 table, since this is default when the annotation is not present even, as with translate
16:30:55 <daveL> ... so only need to specify default in the data cat section, since it only needs a default if the annotation is present
16:30:55 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#datacategories-overview
16:31:30 <daveL> yves: agrees, it onyl need to be added to data category
16:31:45 <chriLi> I would need to understand if termNote and disambiguation are meant to be orthogonal concepts
16:33:28 <daveL> chriLi; not with this long enough to comment, but asks how disambiguation is related to existing data cats from 1.0 such at terminology
16:33:55 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
16:34:05 <fsasaki> dave: we kept them separate
16:34:09 <fsasaki> .. since we had use cases
16:34:20 <fsasaki> .. where disambiguation might feed directly into an MT process
16:34:31 <fsasaki> .. there is no process taht would use the terminology data category
16:34:41 <fsasaki> .. it was more to accomodate combination of text analytics with MT
16:34:57 <fsasaki> .. we may not formally be recording a phrase that is identifiyed as disambiguation
16:35:04 <fsasaki> ... as something that goes into the term base
16:35:39 <fsasaki> joerg: there are a lot of use cases where you need to do disambiguation without terminology identification
16:35:43 <daveL> scribe: daveL
16:36:12 <daveL> felix: would like to put this into the note
16:36:42 <daveL> action: daveL to provide a note on this use of disambiguation with support from jorge
16:36:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-304 - Provide a note on this use of disambiguation with support from jorge [on David Lewis - due 2012-11-26].
16:37:27 <daveL> chriLi: further question, when we are talking about notes, are these for an annotated version of the specification as with its1.0
16:37:41 <daveL> felix: these are non normative notes in the spec
16:38:07 <chriLi> I was referring to this type of annotated document http://www.xml.com/axml/testaxml.htm
16:38:15 <daveL> ... but assume we will do more work on assembling a best practice document that assmebles this non normative stuff
16:38:50 <daveL> ... this could be an annotated version of the spec (a good idea) or a separate document need to be decided
16:39:15 <daveL> ... need to decide this is a few week, though don't have a specific opinion on this at the moment
16:39:22 <fsasaki> topic: Review of edits
16:39:36 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#changelog-since-20121023
16:40:24 <daveL> felix: there are a number of small edits form 6-12
16:40:47 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0116.html
16:41:08 <daveL> action: daveL to check these edits and in 0116 mail.
16:41:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-305 - Check these edits and in 0116 mail. [on David Lewis - due 2012-11-26].
16:41:20 <fsasaki> topic: localization quality precis
16:41:30 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0130.html
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16:42:29 <fsasaki> present+ philr
16:42:49 <daveL> phil: as per mail, originally to hold summary level info hence the name, but not tied to this name, happy to have something similar
16:43:33 <daveL> ... for example Frederick comment on vote, which it makes sense to include
16:43:50 <Fredrik> I Felix, I'm here, I was more so just wondering what the status was in general.
16:44:00 <daveL> ...it started as 'profile' but wasn't quite the right meaning
16:44:01 <fsasaki> present+ fredrik
16:44:22 <daveL> arle; can we go back to 'summary'
16:44:32 <daveL> phil; agrees
16:44:37 <Arle> localizationQualitySummary
16:44:54 <fsasaki> localizationQualitySummary vs. localizationQualityIssue
16:45:50 <fsasaki> topic: aob
16:45:59 <daveL> felix; suggest we rrn to this and if no objections make this change form precis to 'summary'
16:46:02 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Main_Page#Upcoming
16:46:28 <Arle> Arle
16:46:29 <Yves_> yves
16:46:47 <kfritsche> kfritsche
16:46:50 <Jirka> Jirka
16:47:04 <Arle> Actually, strike me from the list.
16:47:05 <fsasaki> felix
16:47:09 <Arle> I have a conflict :-(
16:47:39 <daveL> daveL on provenance, and checking how mtconfidence, confidence scores and itstools turn out, plus working in intro sections
16:47:51 <Yves_> +1 on Dave's list
16:48:39 <daveL> felix: will try and with arle to rmake sure these are uptodate and have group review of these sections
16:48:59 <daveL> ... going through editors notes
16:49:32 <daveL> felix: thanks everyone for todau and talk to you tomorrow or next week
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16:50:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
16:50:27 <fsasaki> adjourn
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