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14:58:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:58:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:58:48 <trackbot> Date: 15 November 2012
14:58:55 <mmartin3> Thanks Glenn.
14:59:03 <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:59:03 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, glenn
14:59:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, mmartin3, glenn, trackbot
14:59:20 <glenn> zakim, this is TTWG
14:59:20 <Zakim> ok, glenn; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
14:59:27 <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:59:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P11, [Microsoft]
14:59:34 <glenn> zakim, ??p11 is glenn
14:59:34 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
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14:59:53 <glenn> zakim, [microsoft] has mmartin3
14:59:53 <Zakim> +mmartin3; got it
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15:02:38 <glenn> zakim, who's noisy?
15:02:50 <Zakim> glenn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [Microsoft] (22%), +1.858.847.aabb (5%)
15:02:52 <mmartin3> Philippe, Can you stay on IRC?
15:03:04 <plh> yes
15:03:11 <mmartin3> good thanks
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15:03:50 <glenn> zakim, aabb is mike_dolan
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15:04:12 <pal> zakim, aadd is pal
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15:04:54 <Sean> zakim, aacc is Sean
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15:05:03 <mijordan> Zakim, Andrew_Kirkpatrick is mijordan
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15:05:39 <glenn> zakim, aaaa is pal
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15:06:08 <Frans> Frnas
15:06:13 <pal> zakim, pal is aadd
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15:06:16 <glenn> zakim, aaee is Frans
15:06:16 <Zakim> +Frans; got it
15:06:58 <glenn> zakim, who's here?
15:06:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, [Microsoft], pal.a, mike_dolan, Sean, aadd, mijordan, Frans
15:07:00 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has mmartin3
15:07:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see mijordan, courtney, plh, Frans, pal, Sean, Zakim, RRSAgent, mmartin3, glenn, trackbot
15:07:36 <mmartin3> Chair
15:07:37 <mmartin3> Sean
15:07:39 <mmartin3> scribe
15:07:41 <mmartin3> mmartin3
15:07:51 <mmartin3> TTML Agenda Nov 15, 2012
15:08:29 <mmartin3> Topic: SDP-US Issues
15:09:11 <mmartin3> mdolan: Add to agenda: IANA response.
15:09:23 <mmartin3> Dec 15 deadline
15:10:17 <mmartin3> Action Sean Draft response to bring back to the group.
15:10:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-129 - Draft response to bring back to the group. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-11-22].
15:10:48 <mmartin3> Issue-182?
15:10:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Allow more than one profile to be used in the SDP-US. Add use of ttp:profile element. -- open
15:10:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/182
15:11:33 <mmartin3> SDP-US draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html
15:11:55 <mmartin3> mmartin3: R0007 need namespace
15:12:18 <mmartin3> ...answered Glenn: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Nov/0022.html.
15:12:25 <mmartin3> c/answered
15:12:42 <mmartin3> glenn: Agree with the proposal.
15:13:44 <mmartin3> Resolved to include preamble text.
15:14:06 <mmartin3> Issue-189?
15:14:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- do regions scroll their flowed content? -- open
15:14:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189
15:14:41 <mmartin3> mmartin3: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0017.html
15:14:56 <mmartin3> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0021.html
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15:15:15 <mmartin3> Second Edition
15:16:39 <mmartin3> mmartin: Need to add example in Second Edition. Then put reference text in SDP-US.
15:17:08 <mmartin3> dolan: Open question existed on my example.
15:17:42 <mmartin3> sean: Only 2 lines visible in my previous example. Describes region, flow, and text behavior.
15:18:22 <mmartin3> ...Two ways to construct - have 2 lines and overflow and display line after. Or display the lines appropriately with timing.
15:18:27 <mmartin3> dolan: Mine was different.
15:19:02 <mmartin3> sean: If have lines overflow. Ones at the bottom are seen. Ones at the top are moved out.
15:19:46 <mmartin3> ...Use example as is except to remove displayAlign.
15:20:02 <mmartin3> glenn: May still need it.
15:20:42 <mmartin3> Dolan: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0017.html
15:20:52 <mmartin3> Glenn: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0021.html
15:21:07 <mmartin3> sean: May be able to handle without displayAlign.
15:21:33 <mmartin3> dolan: TTML + representation of display that occurs.
15:23:13 <mmartin3> sean: Send out example as complete TTML file as Mike provided and send screen shots.
15:23:32 <mmartin3> Resolved to include example in TTML 1.0 SE,.
15:23:56 <mmartin3> Action Sean Provide example with screen shot to the list for Issue-182 for TTML 1.0 SE portion.
15:23:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-130 - Provide example with screen shot to the list for Issue-182 for TTML 1.0 SE portion. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-11-22].
15:24:34 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Need text to reference TTML 1.0 SE for scrolling in SDP-US.
15:24:38 <mmartin3> ...Text: See example on scrolling described in TTML 1.0 Second Edition.
15:26:47 <mmartin3> sean: Reference this at point of R0047.
15:26:59 <mmartin3> No objections.
15:27:28 <mmartin3> Issue-188?
15:27:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Bounding SDP-US rendering complexity -- open
15:27:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188
15:27:50 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Explanatory text in Future Needs.
15:28:02 <mmartin3> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Nov/0018.html
15:28:17 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Glenn asked about rendering model.
15:28:38 <mmartin3> sean: Authoring constraint model that impacts rendering.
15:28:56 <Zakim> -Frans
15:29:06 <Frans> Have to leave, sorry :(
15:29:09 <mmartin3> ...Answer your questions Glenn.
15:29:15 <mmartin3> glenn: Value of note?
15:29:49 <mmartin3> ..What is intended given what exists today in TTML 1.0?
15:30:08 <mmartin3> sean: DECE has such a model with heuristics. Sean describes the discussion.
15:30:43 <mmartin3> ...Compute model for the rendering
15:31:31 <mmartin3> glenn: Have some constraints more than SDP-US now?
15:32:01 <mmartin3> sean: Example is the delta area if you move a region.
15:32:37 <mmartin3> glenn: Constraints on authoring for graphics performance.
15:32:54 <mmartin3> ...Capture intent without being ambiguous.
15:33:13 <mmartin3> dolan: Is this text helpful.
15:33:50 <mmartin3> glenn: Documenting that we are thinking about it may be helpful.
15:34:43 <mmartin3> sean: If word sufficiently, this would make use of TTML in SDP easier.
15:35:03 <mmartin3> glenn: Working Group Note?
15:35:07 <mmartin3> sean: Yes.
15:35:20 <mmartin3> ...Roll-up to TTML 1.1 potentially.
15:35:55 <mmartin3> glenn: If we do intend to revise this, do we want a Note?
15:36:12 <mmartin3> ...Go through membership.
15:36:50 <mmartin3> sean: Done with technical area.
15:37:15 <mmartin3> glenn: Won't have membership endorsement or revise the draft.
15:37:41 <mmartin3> sean: Make statement to chairs group.
15:37:55 <mmartin3> ...similar to our FPWD.
15:39:09 <mmartin3> ...go through review in TTML 1.1.
15:39:26 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Shown in updated charter.
15:39:47 <mmartin3> Ressolved to Glenn do text for Issue-188.
15:40:01 <mmartin3> Issue-190?
15:40:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Background vs Window Color -- closed
15:40:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/190
15:40:11 <mmartin3> mmartin3: To be included.
15:41:16 <mmartin3> ...Example only.
15:43:30 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Will make sure preamble is provided.
15:43:32 <mmartin3> Issue-194?
15:43:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- root container needs better definition -- open
15:43:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/194
15:43:47 <mmartin3> mmartin3: "The root container origin shall be the upper left corner of the related video coding; and the extent shall be the lower right corner."
15:43:54 <mmartin3> ....Need to add definition.
15:44:30 <mmartin3> ...Normative text.
15:44:41 <mmartin3> dolan: Need to have a specific definition.
15:45:31 <mmartin3> glenn: R0021 and R0022.
15:46:16 <mmartin3> R0021 -  A presentation processor must fix the root container origin so that it corresponds with the top, left corner of the related media object [TTML10SE], Section 2.2.   R0022 -  A presentation processor must fix the root container extent so that it corresponds with the extent of the related media object [TTML10SE], Section 2.2.
15:46:52 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Text in SDP-US draft.
15:48:23 <mmartin3> Second Edition text: Related Media Object A (possibly null) media object associated with or otherwise related to a TTML document instance. For example, an aggregate audio/video media object for which a TTML document instance provides caption or subtitle information, and with which that TTML document instance is associated.
15:48:48 <mmartin3> dolan: What about registering with the video?
15:49:02 <mmartin3> glenn: Why we have definition in SE.
15:49:41 <mmartin3> ..Make suggested change.
15:49:59 <mmartin3> sean: Preamble that says the object is the video.
15:50:17 <mmartin3> glenn: Add note after 2 requirements.
15:50:36 <mmartin3> dolan: Only with video.
15:51:37 <mmartin3> glenn: Rules out to non-video related media.
15:51:58 <mmartin3> Resolved to add note on R0021 and R0022.
15:52:26 <mmartin3> sean: In this case, the related media object is the original video.
15:52:32 <mmartin3> ...Use this text.
15:54:37 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Issues all resolved.
15:54:48 <mmartin3> ...New issue from Pierre, Issue-196.
15:54:50 <mmartin3> Issue-196?
15:54:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Constraining encoding to UTF-8 -- raised
15:54:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/196
15:55:03 <mmartin3> pal: Add constraint on encoding to UTF-8.
15:55:49 <mmartin3> glenn: Need to say it is XML first.
15:56:22 <mmartin3> sean: Syntax issues.
15:56:30 <mmartin3> ..Part of TTML 1.1.
15:57:25 <mmartin3> glenn: 2 new requirements - mandate XML and character encoding of UTF-8.
15:57:48 <mmartin3> mmartin3: XML 1.0.
15:58:15 <mmartin3> Action Glenn Add 2 new requirements - mandate XML and character encoding of UTF-8.
15:58:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-131 - Add 2 new requirements - mandate XML and character encoding of UTF-8. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-11-22].
15:58:29 <mmartin3> Resolved to add 2 new requirements for XML 1.0 and UTF-8.
15:59:18 <mmartin3> Action-131 will resolve Issue-196.
15:59:23 <glenn> ISSUE-196?
15:59:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Constraining encoding to UTF-8 -- raised
15:59:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/196
15:59:45 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Sense of the document.
15:59:51 <mmartin3> ...to proceed.
15:59:58 <glenn> ACTION-131: see ISSUE-196
15:59:58 <trackbot> ACTION-131 Add 2 new requirements - mandate XML and character encoding of UTF-8. notes added
16:00:06 <mmartin3> plh are you herer?
16:00:07 <mmartin3> c/here
16:01:03 <mmartin3> glenn: Raised 2 questions on Section 2 and 12 for some rewrites.
16:01:28 <mmartin3> ...Need to inversion of some requirements to make sure we have consistency across the document.
16:02:29 <mmartin3> sean: Clean up document and issue Last Call with 2 weeks to publish as a Note Nov 29.
16:02:51 <mmartin3> glenn: LCWD text
16:03:39 <mmartin3> ,...Go through pubs to do so.
16:04:10 <mmartin3> Topic: Meetings
16:04:17 <mmartin3> sean: No meeting Nov 22.
16:04:39 <Zakim> -mike_dolan
16:04:41 <Zakim> -Sean
16:04:41 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:04:41 <Zakim> -aadd
16:04:43 <Zakim> -mijordan
16:04:43 <Zakim> -glenn
16:04:44 <mmartin3> ..Final publication Nov 29.
16:05:00 <mmartin3> trackbot, list attendees
16:05:00 <trackbot> Sorry, mmartin3, I don't understand 'trackbot, list attendees'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help.
16:05:07 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
16:05:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been glenn, mmartin3, +1.408.771.aaaa, +1.858.847.aabb, +1.425.658.aacc, +1.650.525.aadd, mike_dolan, Sean, mijordan, +41.22.717.aaee, aadd,
16:05:10 <Zakim> ... Frans
16:05:13 <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
16:05:13 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:05:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been glenn, mmartin3, +1.408.771.aaaa, +1.858.847.aabb, +1.425.658.aacc, +1.650.525.aadd, mike_dolan, Sean, mijordan, +41.22.717.aaee, aadd,
16:05:16 <plh> zakim, drop pal.a
16:05:17 <Zakim> ... Frans
16:05:17 <Zakim> pal.a is being disconnected
16:05:17 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:05:17 <Zakim> Attendees were glenn, mmartin3, +1.408.771.aaaa, +1.858.847.aabb, +1.425.658.aacc, +1.650.525.aadd, mike_dolan, Sean, mijordan, +41.22.717.aaee, aadd, Frans
16:05:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:05:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/15-tt-minutes.html trackbot
16:05:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:05:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items