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14:48:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3825
14:48:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
14:48:05 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
14:48:05 <trackbot> Date: 15 November 2012
14:56:33 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has now started
14:56:41 <Zakim> + +1.517.353.aaaa
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14:58:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:58:13 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller isme
14:58:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'IPcaller isme', Vivienne
14:58:22 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:58:23 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:58:23 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:58:30 <Zakim> + +1.302.282.aabb
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14:58:54 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:58:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.517.353.aaaa, Vivienne, Shadi, +1.302.282.aabb
14:59:12 <Zakim> + +31.30.239.aacc
14:59:25 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, aacc is me
14:59:25 <Zakim> +MartijnHoutepen; got it
14:59:35 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, mute me
14:59:35 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
14:59:48 <Zakim> +Detlev
15:00:13 <shadi> scribe: Detlev
15:00:19 <shadi> chair: Shadi
15:00:51 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2012Nov/0002.html
15:01:01 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
15:01:25 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, mute me
15:01:25 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
15:01:28 <Liz> Liz has joined #eval
15:01:50 <shadi> regrets: Kathy, Peter, Kostas, Tim, Alistair, Kerstin, Ramon, Detlev
15:02:05 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aadd
15:02:08 <MartijnHoutepen> I don't know either
15:02:28 <Detlev> Detlev: is there a way to see results of the survey on sampling?
15:02:54 <Detlev> Shadi: can't cover the survey - Eric bein unwell and not attending
15:03:01 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.517.353.aaaa, Vivienne, Shadi, +1.302.282.aabb, MartijnHoutepen (muted), Detlev, +1.301.975.aadd
15:03:44 <Sarah_Swierenga> Sarah_Swierenga has joined #eval
15:03:45 <Liz> zakim, aadd is Liz
15:03:45 <Zakim> +Liz; got it
15:03:50 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:03:51 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
15:04:15 <shadi> zakim, aabb is Katie
15:04:15 <Zakim> +Katie; got it
15:05:03 <Zakim> + +1.517.432.aaee
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15:06:21 <Detlev> Katie: Shawns suggestions for numbering could be a topic
15:06:33 <Vivienne> q+
15:06:46 <Vivienne> ack me
15:07:28 <Vivienne> q+
15:07:50 <Detlev> Some things in the introdiction were numbered and are not any more
15:08:06 <Detlev> Sorry that was Katie)
15:08:08 <Vivienne> ack me
15:08:50 <Detlev> Vivienne: We agreed at TPAC that the whole group should decide - can't do much without them
15:09:19 <Detlev> Shadi: We should summarise discussions and put to the group for decisions
15:09:42 <Detlev> Shadi: we are largely the same group now
15:09:46 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:09:46 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
15:10:17 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/f2f_TPAC
15:10:53 <Detlev> Shadi> summary of TPAC: 1. more technical detail oriented, how does WCAG-EM apply to web applications?
15:11:32 <Detlev> Shadi: there will be a higher density of functions, needs mirte testing of states etc, but otherwise it is similar - just the effort goes up
15:12:09 <Detlev> Shadi: we looked at sampleing / random and structured ampling - unsure about precise outcome
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15:12:30 <Detlev> Shadi> impact of sample size, possibility of having complimentary random pages
15:12:53 <Zakim> +MoeKraft
15:12:55 <Detlev> Shadi: use case for random sampling: to counteract any biase that there might be
15:13:18 <Detlev> Shadi: main focus is good structured sampling, random sampleing an additional check
15:13:35 <Detlev> q+
15:14:45 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:15:41 <Detlev> Detlev: possiblz postpone summary, put main points in writing for people to look at so they can ask uestions
15:16:06 <Detlev> Shadi: Please read the minutes - need motre work on reporting templates
15:16:12 <Detlev> Thursday meeting
15:16:17 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/
15:16:34 <Detlev> Shadi .. of EOWG
15:17:02 <Detlev> Shadi> they are working on a "qucik check" - complimentary to our ork
15:17:24 <Detlev> Shadi: Next week there will be more exchange with EOWG
15:17:41 <Detlev> Shadi: agrees there should be a written summary
15:17:49 <Vivienne> q+
15:17:55 <Detlev> q-
15:17:56 <Vivienne> ack me
15:18:09 <MartijnHoutepen> q- Detlev
15:18:19 <Detlev> Vivienne: Shadi sent a summary of the EOWG minutes at TPAC
15:18:58 <Detlev> Vivienne: Was there also a wrap-up the TPAC meeting as well?
15:19:09 <Detlev> Shadi: Shawn send minutes as well
15:19:15 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-eo-minutes
15:19:33 <Detlev> Shadi: with bullet points summary - we should have them as well
15:19:41 <Detlev> Vivienne: agrees
15:20:06 <Detlev> Vivienne: they have a summary at the top, then minutes
15:20:14 <Detlev> Shadi: We can do that as well
15:20:32 <Detlev> Shadi: Reg. survey on sampling - has it been filled out?
15:20:34 <Detlev> done
15:20:48 <Liz> Q+
15:20:57 <MartijnHoutepen> I filled it out
15:20:57 <Detlev> Shadi: should we reopen it?
15:20:58 <MoeKraft> If it is still open, I will fill it out. The deadline was 10/23 but the survey is still active.
15:21:11 <Detlev> Sarah: not clear when this went out
15:21:37 <MoeKraft> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RKHNVL6
15:21:51 <Detlev> Shadi: was sent out at 23 October, to respond before the Lyon meeting - some said this would be too quick - it seems to be still open
15:22:15 <Detlev> Shadi: problem that you can't see responses
15:22:41 <Detlev> Shadi: Constructed so that people can fill it out more than once if they have several roles
15:22:48 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
15:22:48 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
15:23:38 <Detlev> Shadi: resend msg with clear subkect line
15:23:41 <Detlev> will do
15:23:42 <Liz> q+
15:23:57 <Detlev> Shadi: unconfortable to staet new things without Eric present
15:24:42 <Detlev> Liz: should people who have no expreience in evaluation fill out the survey nevertheless?
15:24:53 <Detlev> Shadi: feel free nit to fill it out
15:26:02 <Detlev> Shadi: WOuld call it a day if no one else has issues
15:26:03 <Vivienne> I agree,let's leave it for now.
15:26:38 <Detlev> Shadi: next week will be difficult due to thanksgiving, may be cancelled
15:26:48 <Detlev> Shadi: another draft id due end of Dec
15:27:20 <Detlev> Shadi: there will be new surveys, disposition of comments, and editor draft to work on
15:27:27 <Mike_Elledge> Ciao! US participants will be in a food coma next Thursday, so perhaps postponing the next telcon might be wise...
15:27:27 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
15:27:30 <MoeKraft> bye
15:27:31 <Detlev> Wrap up
15:27:32 <Vivienne> bye now
15:27:32 <Zakim> - +1.517.432.aaee
15:27:33 <Zakim> -Liz
15:27:35 <Detlev> by
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15:27:42 <Zakim> -MartijnHoutepen
15:27:44 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:27:44 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:27:47 <Zakim> -Detlev
15:27:54 <Liz> bye
15:36:37 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:36:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:36:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.517.353.aaaa, Shadi, Vivienne, +1.302.282.aabb, +31.30.239.aacc, MartijnHoutepen, Detlev, +1.301.975.aadd, Liz, Katie, +1.517.432.aaee,
15:36:41 <Zakim> ... MoeKraft
15:36:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:36:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/15-eval-minutes.html trackbot
15:36:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:36:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items