IRC log of css on 2012-11-14
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/14-css-irc
- 16:23:20 [glazou]
- Zakim, thiw ill be Style
- 16:23:20 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'thiw ill be Style', glazou
- 16:23:27 [glazou]
- Zakim, this will be Style
- 16:23:27 [Zakim]
- ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 37 minutes
- 16:23:32 [glazou]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- 16:56:16 [TabAtkins]
- I'm in another meeting, but I'll be here in IRC.
- 16:56:28 [glazou]
- TabAtkins: noted
- 16:56:36 [glazou]
- seems it's going to be low attendance anyway
- 16:56:40 [glazou]
- many people sick
- 16:56:54 [glazou]
- Zakim, code?
- 16:56:54 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), glazou
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- Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started
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- +??P24
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- 16:57:18 [glazou]
- Zakim, ??P24 is me
- 16:57:19 [Zakim]
- +glazou; got it
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- +plinss
- 16:58:01 [glazou]
- plinss: cannot hear you
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- +??P28
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- +[IPcaller]
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- 16:58:29 [jdaggett]
- zakim, ??p28 is me
- 16:58:31 [Zakim]
- +jdaggett; got it
- 16:58:41 [florian]
- Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
- 16:58:41 [Zakim]
- ok, florian, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
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- + +33.9.52.34.aaaa
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- 16:59:07 [SimonSapin]
- Zakim: I am aaaa
- 16:59:19 [glazou]
- Zakim, aaaa is SimonSapin
- 16:59:19 [Zakim]
- +SimonSapin; got it
- 16:59:19 [SimonSapin]
- Zakim, I am aaaa
- 16:59:20 [Zakim]
- sorry, SimonSapin, I do not see a party named 'aaaa'
- 16:59:31 [glazou]
- agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/50A3AB1D.4090002@disruptive-innovations.com
- 16:59:53 [Zakim]
- +??P39
- 17:00:13 [Zakim]
- + +1.778.785.aabb
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- 17:00:33 [glazou]
- Zakim, ??P39 is leaverou
- 17:00:33 [Zakim]
- +leaverou; got it
- 17:00:42 [Zakim]
- + +1.415.832.aacc
- 17:00:43 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 17:00:50 [sylvaing_away]
- Zakim, [Microsoft] has me
- 17:00:50 [Zakim]
- +sylvaing_away; got it
- 17:00:54 [krit]
- zakim, aacc is me
- 17:00:54 [Zakim]
- +krit; got it
- 17:01:00 [dbaron]
- Zakim, Mozilla-YVR has dbaron
- 17:01:00 [Zakim]
- +dbaron; got it
- 17:01:07 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft.a]
- 17:01:15 [dbaron]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 17:01:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see glazou, plinss, jdaggett, [IPcaller], SimonSapin, leaverou, Mozilla-YVR, [Microsoft], krit, [Microsoft.a]
- 17:01:17 [Zakim]
- Mozilla-YVR has dbaron
- 17:01:17 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] has sylvaing_away
- 17:01:39 [Zakim]
- + +1.619.846.aadd
- 17:02:23 [glazou]
- Zakim, aadd is hober
- 17:02:23 [Zakim]
- +hober; got it
- 17:03:31 [Zakim]
- +SteveZ
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- + +1.604.312.aaee
- 17:04:07 [rbetts]
- Zakim, aaee is me.
- 17:04:07 [Zakim]
- +rbetts; got it
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- +??P54
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- -??P54
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- +??P65
- 17:05:59 [glazou]
- Zakim, who is on the phone ?
- 17:05:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see glazou, plinss, jdaggett, [IPcaller], SimonSapin, leaverou, Mozilla-YVR, [Microsoft], krit, [Microsoft.a], hober, SteveZ, rbetts, ??P65
- 17:06:03 [Zakim]
- Mozilla-YVR has dbaron
- 17:06:03 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] has sylvaing_away
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- +Bert
- 17:06:15 [Zakim]
- -??P65
- 17:06:22 [dbaron]
- has the call been very quiet the last 2 minutes, or have I stopped hearing any sound?
- 17:06:31 [glazou]
- I'm talking dbaron
- 17:06:40 [Bert]
- Scribe: Bert
- 17:06:54 [Bert]
- Topic: Agenda
- 17:07:12 [Zakim]
- +Mozilla-YVR.a
- 17:07:32 [Zakim]
- +??P70
- 17:07:38 [dbaron]
- Zakim, [Mozilla-YVR.a] has dbaron
- 17:07:38 [Zakim]
- sorry, dbaron, I do not recognize a party named '[Mozilla-YVR.a]'
- 17:07:41 [Bert]
- Dirk: new props in compositing affect Backgrounds and borders
- 17:07:43 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.a]
- 17:07:45 [dbaron]
- Zakim, Mozilla-YVR.a has dbaron
- 17:07:45 [Zakim]
- +dbaron; got it
- 17:07:51 [fantasai]
- Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
- 17:07:51 [Zakim]
- +fantasai; got it
- 17:07:52 [Bert]
- ... Can we move them, or should they stay in Compositing?
- 17:07:53 [Zakim]
- +Stearns
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- -??P70
- 17:07:57 [Rossen]
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- Simon: Me as editor for page?
- 17:08:49 [dbaron]
- dbaron: another thread about viewport units and @page rules
- 17:09:04 [Bert]
- Topic: ftf
- 17:09:15 [Bert]
- glazou: I tried to ping molly.
- 17:09:22 [Bert]
- ... No response, so I'm concerned.
- 17:09:35 [Bert]
- ... Should we have a backup venue?
- 17:09:43 [Zakim]
- -Stearns
- 17:09:49 [Bert]
- ... She posted something on wikie, but it was siubject to sponsoring.
- 17:09:49 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft.aa]
- 17:09:57 [Bert]
- ... So no firm date and location.
- 17:10:00 [leaverou]
- s/wikie/wiki
- 17:10:08 [Rossen]
- Zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
- 17:10:08 [Zakim]
- +Rossen; got it
- 17:10:22 [Zakim]
- +Stearns
- 17:10:26 [Bert]
- johnd: In bay area, than multiple companies can sponsor.
- 17:10:57 [Zakim]
- -Stearns
- 17:10:58 [Bert]
- florian: We considered japan ftf in winter earlier, but concern about AC in japan.
- 17:11:04 [SimonSapin]
- +1 for keeping japan in june
- 17:11:09 [Bert]
- sylvaing: May be difficult for some
- 17:11:28 [Bert]
- johnd: Jan/feb would be trickier for me [to sponsor in japan]
- 17:11:38 [Bert]
- ... prefer spring, but maybe cane work on soemthing.
- 17:11:51 [Zakim]
- -fantasai
- 17:11:54 [Bert]
- glazou: So let's look for spare location Bay Area in Feb.
- 17:12:03 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller.a]
- 17:12:07 [fantasai]
- Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
- 17:12:07 [Zakim]
- +fantasai; got it
- 17:12:15 [Bert]
- Topic: lea as co-editor for backgrounds & borders
- 17:12:40 [Zakim]
- +??P82
- 17:12:42 [Bert]
- fantasai: lea had some interest, filed issues.
- 17:12:52 [Bert]
- ... I thought why not have her co-edit with me.
- 17:13:01 [Zakim]
- -Mozilla-YVR
- 17:13:06 [Bert]
- ... Good way to get a bit momentum, even if slow.
- 17:13:13 [Bert]
- ... It remains a low-prio module.
- 17:13:20 [Bert]
- ... And I can help Lea along.
- 17:13:40 [Bert]
- glazou: You mentioned ytou need ack from Doug?
- 17:13:47 [Bert]
- lea: Doug agrees.
- 17:14:00 [Bert]
- RESOLVED: Lea co-editor for Backgrounds 4
- 17:14:16 [darktears]
- Zakim: +??P82 is me
- 17:14:20 [Bert]
- Topic; Simon co-editor for Paged Meda
- 17:14:42 [darktears]
- Zakim, +??P82 is me
- 17:14:44 [Zakim]
- sorry, darktears, I do not recognize a party named '+??P82'
- 17:14:45 [Bert]
- Simon: progress is slow. I'm discussion with [...]
- 17:14:51 [Bert]
- glazou: Objections?
- 17:14:52 [Zakim]
- +Stearns
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- 17:15:06 [Bert]
- florian: What was prio for this module? No objection in principle.
- 17:15:31 [Bert]
- fantasai: High prio for some, but not for browsers.
- 17:15:32 [darktears]
- Zakim, ??P82 is me
- 17:15:32 [Zakim]
- +darktears; got it
- 17:15:40 [Bert]
- ... Important to make progress.
- 17:16:09 [Bert]
- SteveZ: Counter-example: anything with layout seems important.
- 17:16:17 [Bert]
- ... It's part of the center of CSS.
- 17:16:25 [Bert]
- fantasai: But doens't interact with other modules.
- 17:16:32 [fantasai]
- s/modules/layout models/
- 17:16:34 [Bert]
- SteveZ: But it should. Why not?
- 17:16:58 [Bert]
- florian: In any case we need to make progress on it.
- 17:17:12 [Bert]
- glazou: Is css3-page discussed at IDPF?
- 17:17:24 [Bert]
- fantasai: Not much, they're using something else.
- 17:17:37 [Bert]
- glazou: I guess it's important becaus eof e-books.
- 17:17:56 [Bert]
- glazou: Objections to Simon as co-editor?
- 17:18:01 [Bert]
- Bert: On the contrary!
- 17:18:16 [Bert]
- dbaron: Browsers maybe not workng on it, but may do so in the future.
- 17:18:29 [Bert]
- ... May start to interact later, is a danger.
- 17:18:40 [Bert]
- .. We've had that problem in the past.
- 17:18:54 [Bert]
- glazou: What does that mean? It should slow down?
- 17:19:19 [Bert]
- dbaron: Not necessarily. Don't assume it won't need any changes in the future once browsers start needing it.
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- 17:19:31 [Bert]
- glazou: That doesn't seem acceptable.
- 17:19:57 [Bert]
- dbaron: There is a difference between listen and comment and implements; and then actually find problems.
- 17:20:08 [Bert]
- ... We've had this in the past.
- 17:20:35 [Bert]
- florian: You say that going to pR with only implementations other than browsers is prpoblematic?
- 17:21:14 [glenn]
- Present+ glenn (IRC only)
- 17:21:28 [Bert]
- SteveZ: So dbaron says: if implemented in a product that does't have the whole stack of techs of a browser, it may not be compatible wioth that stack.
- 17:21:38 [Bert]
- dbaron: And we have a set of priorities.
- 17:21:47 [Bert]
- .. We can't comment on everything.
- 17:21:56 [Bert]
- ... There is too much too comment on.
- 17:22:14 [Bert]
- glazou: We discussed at ftf. We have 60 docs, too much.
- 17:22:30 [Bert]
- ... Chairs are not dictators.
- 17:22:44 [Bert]
- ... We cannot say trash everything beyond the first 15.
- 17:23:07 [Bert]
- sylvaing: I don't disagree that it is difficult. But we should have that discussion before the poll.
- 17:23:27 [Bert]
- SteveZ: One way out is to suggest that we set comment deadlines on things.
- 17:23:37 [Bert]
- ... Low prio items have deadline further in future.
- 17:23:44 [glazou]
- jdaggett: :)
- 17:23:48 [Bert]
- ... People like to continue working on things.
- 17:24:03 [Bert]
- ... dbaron says there are too many things to comment on. Agree.
- 17:24:23 [Bert]
- ... But you have to keep working. No comments doesn't mean there aren't any.
- 17:24:47 [jdaggett]
- i think the conclusion here is that css3-page needs group discussion
- 17:24:50 [Bert]
- glazou: We never move docuemtns to next state without aking the members first.
- 17:25:00 [jdaggett]
- i'm not sure more discussion is needed on this right now
- 17:25:18 [Bert]
- ... We have all the sensors to avoid implementations by non-browsrs only and to avoid browser pbs in the futre.
- 17:25:50 [Bert]
- florian: Even if we don't work on a modules, people may come up with something and that may be worse. Lesser evil to work on it.
- 17:25:52 [jdaggett]
- wrap... up... discussion...
- 17:26:14 [Bert]
- glazou: Important discussion, but let's do that later, maybe an hour.
- 17:26:14 [mollyholzschlag]
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- 17:26:24 [Bert]
- .. so back to Simon as co-editor.
- 17:26:36 [Bert]
- RESOLVED: Simon is co-editor for css3-page.
- 17:27:04 [Bert]
- Topic: font issues
- 17:27:16 [Bert]
- johnd: I made a few changes.
- 17:27:21 [glazou]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Nov/0112.html
- 17:27:28 [Bert]
- ... First is 'font-stretch'
- 17:27:40 [Bert]
- ... I put the keyowrds in the font shorthand.
- 17:28:07 [glazou]
- Zakim, code?
- 17:28:07 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 78953 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), glazou
- 17:28:10 [Bert]
- ... Parsing font family names makes this tricky.
- 17:28:20 [Bert]
- .. Font size thus always has to be there.
- 17:28:47 [Bert]
- ... Other keywords don't conflict.
- 17:28:59 [dbaron]
- looks good to me
- 17:29:09 [Bert]
- ... Is that Reasonable?
- 17:29:16 [Bert]
- simon: I see no ambiguities.
- 17:29:22 [Bert]
- glazou: Me neither.
- 17:29:38 [glazou]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Nov/0114.html
- 17:29:39 [jdaggett]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Nov/0114.html
- 17:29:39 [Bert]
- RESOLVED: Add stretch keywords to font shorthand
- 17:30:21 [Bert]
- johnd: In prev WD I made it so that a font-family name existing on a system gathers all faces in the family.
- 17:30:31 [Bert]
- ... then you choose a specific face.
- 17:30:45 [Bert]
- ... All these params choose a specifi face.
- 17:31:00 [Bert]
- ... Prev WD said look for each character.
- 17:31:11 [Bert]
- ... There are some subtle pbs with some faces.
- 17:31:19 [Zakim]
- +Molly_Holzschlag
- 17:31:20 [Bert]
- ... Some lack support for a char.
- 17:31:33 [Bert]
- ... So I changed to match the face first and then check for the char.
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- 17:31:57 [Bert]
- ... When you download, you don't know what's in the faces until you download them all.
- 17:32:04 [Bert]
- ... So this avoids downloading them all.
- 17:32:26 [Bert]
- ... Some font faces have e.g., arabic in normal, but not in italic face.
- 17:32:32 [Bert]
- ... Not common, but does occur.
- 17:32:42 [Bert]
- ... In that case you should fallback to regular face.
- 17:32:54 [Bert]
- ... I'd rather introduce exception like that than to have general rules.
- 17:33:13 [Bert]
- Bert: What exceptions?
- 17:33:22 [Zakim]
- +SteveZ.a
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- -SteveZ
- 17:33:31 [Bert]
- johnd: E.g., older Arial has arabic only in regular and not in italic.
- 17:33:48 [Bert]
- ... Browsers would automatically use the regular and synthesize the italic.
- 17:34:05 [Bert]
- ... They're exceptional cases and I'd like the spec to leave wiggle room for that.
- 17:34:34 [glenn]
- i guess jdagget means "synthesize oblique (and pretend its italic)"
- 17:34:36 [Bert]
- fantasai: Seems fine, but if UA is capable, what is the *better* behavior?
- 17:34:42 [Bert]
- ... Allow both behaviors?
- 17:34:59 [Bert]
- fantasai: You said practicval considerations.
- 17:35:04 [glenn]
- s/jdagget means/jdaggett means/
- 17:35:17 [Bert]
- ... Can UAs deal with them in different ways, take the cost?
- 17:35:35 [Bert]
- johnd: There are all these itneractions. E.g., witjh downlodable fonts.
- 17:35:50 [Bert]
- ... Doing style matching for soem cases and not for others.
- 17:36:00 [shepazu]
- http://reference.sitepoint.com/css/propertyref
- 17:36:09 [Bert]
- ... You may end up with wildly diofferent style, if that is the font that has the glyph.
- 17:36:18 [Bert]
- ... Particularly on Windows.
- 17:36:32 [Bert]
- ... Windows has ways to fold different fonts into a family.
- 17:36:39 [Bert]
- ... Would rather stay away fom it.
- 17:37:10 [Bert]
- ... Previous WD was just something I introduced.
- 17:37:25 [Bert]
- ... I dont' think it is better. Solves some cases.
- 17:37:28 [glazou]
- sylvaing_away: only surface splittable cover keyboard ?
- 17:37:39 [Bert]
- ... Rather leave UAs some wiggle room than have a general rule.
- 17:37:47 [Bert]
- sylvaing: What's the impact on [?]
- 17:37:57 [sylvaing_away]
- s/[?]/existing content
- 17:37:58 [Bert]
- johnd: None.
- 17:37:58 [glazou]
- s/[?]/existing wefonts
- 17:38:27 [Bert]
- ... When I thought through what the previous rule meant for downlodable fonts I thought: no.
- 17:39:47 [Bert]
- RESOLVED: Wrt issue above: use the Editor's draft version.
- 17:39:55 [jdaggett]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Sep/0507.html
- 17:40:01 [Bert]
- Johnd: Next is syntax issue.
- 17:40:03 [glazou]
- and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Oct/0279.html
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- 17:40:20 [Bert]
- ... @font-feature-values rule
- 17:40:36 [Bert]
- ... For features only in a certain font.
- 17:41:11 [Bert]
- ... What you need is min-variable syntax, associate name with a selector value, only for a given font family.
- 17:41:20 [Bert]
- s/min-/mini-/
- 17:41:22 [jdaggett]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Oct/0279.html
- 17:41:36 [Bert]
- glazou: I agree with dbaron to prefer to @ sign.
- 17:41:47 [Bert]
- johnd: Some concerns with that.
- 17:42:27 [dbaron]
- glazou said that he prefers Variation B, but with the @ sign
- 17:42:28 [Bert]
- ... With @-signs (variation A in the message) doesn't look like property name.
- 17:42:37 [Bert]
- .. I prefer that.
- 17:42:45 [SimonSapin]
- we have property-like descriptors in @font-face and @counter-style
- 17:42:49 [glenn]
- doesn't like @ syntax
- 17:42:53 [Bert]
- ... Because it *doesn't* look like something that already exists.
- 17:43:00 [oyvind]
- @keyframes already has "from" and "to"
- 17:43:23 [oyvind]
- etc
- 17:43:26 [Bert]
- fantasai: Other thing is that the values cascade.
- 17:43:36 [glenn]
- doesn't think it necessary to make it look different
- 17:43:37 [Bert]
- ... That is not clear in the A syntax.
- 17:43:48 [Bert]
- ... In the B syntax tht is clear.
- 17:44:10 [Bert]
- johnd: It is not a cascade, just some override.
- 17:44:42 [Bert]
- fantasai: In first syntax, in some cases an @rule sobliterates an earlioer rule.
- 17:44:54 [Bert]
- ... In 2nd syntax it behaves very much like selectors.
- 17:45:03 [Bert]
- ... No specificity, but otherwise the same.
- 17:45:23 [Bert]
- glazou: We have font descriptors, they are not properties either.
- 17:45:37 [Bert]
- johnd: in @font-face, yes.
- 17:45:58 [Bert]
- fantasai: No pref either way.
- 17:46:07 [glenn]
- every new sub-syntax requires additional cognitive load for users, negatives of which outweigh reuse of existing syntax
- 17:46:16 [Bert]
- dbaron: No strong pref for A or B, but if B, then with @-sign.
- 17:46:30 [Bert]
- johnd: So we go with B with @-sign?
- 17:46:34 [stearns]
- no strong preference
- 17:46:42 [glenn]
- strong pref against @ syntax
- 17:46:45 [Bert]
- ... I'd like A, but don't care that strongly.
- 17:46:59 [Bert]
- glazou: readability, coherence with rest of CSS.
- 17:47:15 [Bert]
- ... Seems we have stronger pref for B overall.
- 17:47:30 [Bert]
- RESOLVED: syntax B with an @-sign.
- 17:47:47 [Bert]
- Topic: ftf (cont'd)
- 17:47:53 [Zakim]
- -fantasai
- 17:47:56 [glenn]
- can't we separate adopting 2nd syntax and using @-sign?
- 17:48:00 [Bert]
- molly: You can follow progress on the wiki.
- 17:48:05 [dbaron]
- http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/tucson-2013
- 17:48:40 [Bert]
- ... We had incredible support from city and from university of Tucson.
- 17:48:46 [glenn]
- jdaggett: suggest you make CSSFontFaceRule in ED a 'partial' interface
- 17:48:49 [Bert]
- ... We've been offered a couple of locations.
- 17:49:10 [Bert]
- ... We have the univ and the city fighting over who hosts us!
- 17:49:32 [Bert]
- ... Constraints in Feb on dates.
- 17:49:32 [SimonSapin]
- is 1 day later possible?
- 17:49:39 [Bert]
- ... Gem show, rodeo, etc.
- 17:49:43 [Zakim]
- -SimonSapin
- 17:49:46 [SimonSapin]
- because of fosdem
- 17:50:13 [Bert]
- ... Challenge is finding the best political way between univ and city.
- 17:50:23 [Zakim]
- +SimonSapin
- 17:50:28 [Bert]
- ... Biosphere 2 is just outside Tucson.
- 17:50:43 [Bert]
- ... We have been offered it as a location, with private tour.
- 17:51:03 [Bert]
- ... Including apartments with kitchens.
- 17:51:12 [Bert]
- ... Beuatiful out there.
- 17:51:27 [Bert]
- ... We could do a hybrid: 1st day at Univ on sight.
- 17:51:38 [Bert]
- .. Mayor wants to provide a welcome and a banquet.
- 17:51:56 [Bert]
- ... So which to choose. In town, we woul dneed multiple hotels.
- 17:52:07 [Bert]
- ... Not very difficult, everything is aroudn the university.
- 17:52:13 [jdaggett]
- i think the question is whether a sponsor is needed or not
- 17:52:15 [Bert]
- ... Facilities are good
- 17:52:22 [jdaggett]
- i.e. a sponsor for the venue
- 17:52:34 [dbaron]
- This sounds like we're going to end up spending a bunch of time listening to speeches in exchange for this sponsorship.
- 17:52:37 [Bert]
- glazou: Dates: some people asked for a day later.
- 17:52:44 [Zakim]
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- 17:52:58 [Bert]
- ... So start on Tuesday.
- 17:53:11 [Bert]
- molly: that would be fine.
- 17:53:22 [Bert]
- florian: I can't, anyway.
- 17:53:45 [jdaggett]
- what about the money... ?
- 17:54:04 [Bert]
- Ted: as a 15-year old, [...]
- 17:54:15 [Bert]
- Molly: Tuscon reaaly wants to be a good host for us.
- 17:54:33 [Bert]
- ... Biospehere would be a differen model, but it is the Biospehre.
- 17:54:46 [Bert]
- ... Can also do a day in town and take a shuttle the next day.
- 17:54:49 [dbaron]
- s/as a 15-year old/speaking not for Apple but for my inner 15-year-old/
- 17:55:21 [Bert]
- ... Money: you have to pay for you own travel and hotel nights.
- 17:55:29 [Bert]
- ... But the facilities are donated.
- 17:55:50 [Bert]
- ... I also want community involved. I'm looking for banquet sponsor, e.g.
- 17:56:02 [Bert]
- ... we have funds coming in, form city, from local groups.
- 17:56:16 [Bert]
- ... There has to be a formal photo op, etc.
- 17:56:37 [Bert]
- glazou: We can thank the city like we did in Lyon:
- 17:56:43 [Bert]
- ... We organize a Meet-up.
- 17:56:52 [Bert]
- Molly: excelletn, I nknow where to do that.
- 17:57:15 [mollyholzschlag]
- lol
- 17:57:17 [Bert]
- glazou: We present our work, my BluGriffon, Mozilla firefox, etc,
- 17:57:58 [Bert]
- SteveZ: Biosphere: I need to be back on Friday. If we're too far out of town, catcjhing a flight on Thu may be difficult.
- 17:58:11 [Bert]
- Molly: tehre are shuttles. May have to leave an hour earlier.
- 17:58:27 [dbaron]
- Biosphere looks like it's a 1 hour drive from the Tucson airport and a 2 hour drive from the Phoenix airport -- Phoenix may be a good option given the connections from it
- 17:58:32 [Bert]
- SteveZ: Early leaving is OK, as long as I can do it.
- 17:58:52 [Bert]
- molly: We need somebody to get you there. There is ample time, no stress. Not like CDG airport...
- 17:58:58 [glazou]
- eheh
- 17:59:07 [glazou]
- jdaggett: ROFL
- 17:59:15 [Bert]
- ... Woulkd be helpful if people could put their needs, concerns on wiki.
- 17:59:24 [Bert]
- ... Then I can respond.
- 17:59:33 [glazou]
- jdaggett: in fact it means toothpaste is still forbidden but weapons are allowed :-)
- 17:59:48 [Bert]
- .... Some kind of outreach event, as glazou suggested, would indeed be fabulous.
- 17:59:53 [jdaggett]
- naturally...
- 17:59:59 [sylvaing_away]
- in AZ the metal detector rings if you're not carrying a gun
- 18:00:02 [Bert]
- ... My brother is excited. Other people, too.
- 18:00:31 [Bert]
- ... We can also do everything on Univ campus and just go visit the Biosphere.
- 18:00:34 [jdaggett]
- +1 for biosphere
- 18:00:48 [Bert]
- ... But being there is awesome.
- 18:01:00 [Bert]
- glazou: So one day in town and rest in Biospehereis possible?
- 18:01:06 [Bert]
- molly: yes.
- 18:01:28 [Bert]
- SteveZ: Meet-up might have to be *before* the CSS mneeting then.
- 18:01:56 [Bert]
- molly: Another optionis two days at Bio and 3rd day in town.
- 18:02:16 [Bert]
- glazou: People from aborad probabaly have to stay overnight anyway.
- 18:02:40 [Bert]
- molly: We just need to figure out the days we're in town.
- 18:02:58 [Bert]
- glazou: Can you deal with this input so far and report back asap?
- 18:03:08 [Bert]
- florian: Maybe a doodle for the dates?
- 18:03:16 [Bert]
- glazou: I think molly need firm dates.
- 18:03:47 [Bert]
- molly: Please, use the wiki. It's easiest for me. Put your dates there, too.
- 18:03:54 [Bert]
- ... any special needs.
- 18:04:19 [Bert]
- glazou: So, if possible, try 5-7, if not possible keep 4-6.
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- I only hope they're not going to keep us in biosphere2 for months :-D
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