IRC log of wai-wcag on 2012-11-08

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 08 November 2012
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+Bruce_Bailey
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+??P8
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zakim, ??P8 is Michael_Cooper
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+Michael_Cooper; got it
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+ +1.978.443.aaaa
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zakim aaaa is me
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zakim, aaaa is me
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+Kathy; got it
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+Robin_Tuttle
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+ +1.650.253.aabb
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zakim, aabb is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
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+ +1.510.334.aacc
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zakim, aacc is Peter_Korn
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+Peter_Korn; got it
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+Andi_Snow_Weaver
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scribe: Kathy
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http://tinyurl.com/ar9vjgt
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TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT Proposal for SC 2.4.1
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Q+
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Q+
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zakim, who is noisy?
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Andi, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bruce_Bailey (28%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (86%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (46%)
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ack andi
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q+
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Q+
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+1 on that
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q+ david
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-Peter_Korn
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It is easy to find collections, bundles or suites of software but those are not sets in the same manner as sets of Web pages (where items in the set interlink or have common look and feel). Further, key to the concept of a set in WCAG 2.0 is that the members of the set are hyperlinked together, and while file URLs exist for documents, they do not exist for running software, nor could the task force find their analog in running software.
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ack me
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how do i get on the queue?
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Type q+
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q+
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can we mute the wrestling children?
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zakim, who is making noise?
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Loretta, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bruce_Bailey (30%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (64%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (5%)
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Bailey!
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ack me
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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zakim, mute bruce
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Bruce_Bailey was already muted, MichaelC
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zakim, mute gregg
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Gregg_Vanderheiden should now be muted
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zakim, unmute bruce
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Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
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ack b
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An author would not need to provide a bypass mechanism for content on a page that happens to be duplicated on some other page that is not in some way related to it; that is, they are not ...
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TOPIC: Key Terms with WCAG and a few more Edits
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https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/remaining-3-scs
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RESOLUTION: accepted as amended
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the INTENT section of Understanding WCAG 2.0 for 2.4.1 be modified to add:
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Although the success criterion does not specifically use the term “within a set of web pages”, the concept of the pages belonging to a set is implied. An author would not need to provide a bypass mechanism for content on a page that happens to be duplicated on some other page that is not in some way related to it; that is, they are not "Web pages that share a common purpose and that are created by the same author, group or
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organization” (the definition of set of web pages).
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Note: Even for web pages that are not in a set, if a web page has blocks of text that are repeated within the page it may be helpful (but not required) to provide a means to skip over them.
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TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT Proposal for SC 2.4.1
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zakim, mute gregg
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Gregg_Vanderheiden should now be muted
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zakim, unmute gregg
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Gregg_Vanderheiden should no longer be muted
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RESOLUTION: The intent section is accepted as amended
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TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT Proposal for SC 2.4.5
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Andi, is it useful to accept the firt part of this?
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RESOLUTION: accepted document part as amended
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TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT Proposal for SC 3.2.3
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Can we drop "Even for web pages that are not in a set"? Since the note applies to content repeated within the page, the advice holds whether the pages are in a set or not. Maybe "If any web page..."
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RESOLUTION: accepted WCAG intent part as amended
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https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/remaining-3-scs
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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-Michael_Cooper
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-Kathy
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
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-Bruce_Bailey
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Michael_Cooper, +1.978.443.aaaa, Kathy, Robin_Tuttle, +1.650.253.aabb, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, +1.510.334.aacc,
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... Peter_Korn, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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