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12:32:37 <isra> let's start
12:32:39 <isra> Test the Web Forward, past, present and future
12:32:41 <lmclister> http://adobe.github.com/web-platform/presentations/testtwf-tpac2012/#/
12:33:11 <isra> we'll go over what has happened and gather feedback on future steps
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12:33:44 <lmclister> present Larry McLister
12:33:59 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
12:33:59 <rhauck> present +rhauck
12:34:24 <isra> present Israel Noto - Adobe
12:35:44 <jgraham> present +jgraham
12:35:44 <isra> TestTWF Objectives
12:35:54 <isra> - bring comunity together
12:36:07 <isra> - recruit into the standards testing comunity
12:36:18 <isra> - teach how to write tests and file bugs
12:36:28 <isra> - add to w3c test suites
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12:36:41 <isra> - keep community engaged throughout the year
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12:36:57 <krisk> present+ kris_krueger
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12:37:52 <isra> We have had 3 events in 2012
12:37:55 <isra> SF - june
12:37:59 <isra> Beijing - October
12:38:04 <isra> Paris - October
12:38:05 <Mark_Vickers> present+ Mark_Vickers
12:38:12 <isra> SF: 90 people, 90 tests
12:38:28 <isra> Beijing: 150 people, 115 test written
12:38:48 <isra> Paris: 160 people, 400 tests written
12:39:13 <isra> We would like to see more people and more bugs.
12:39:20 <isra> Proposed next steps:
12:39:31 <isra> - large events in quarterly basis
12:39:38 <isra> - smaller and frequent meetups
12:40:10 <isra> meetups are focused events
12:40:25 <isra> - will create a kit to facilitate create your own event
12:40:52 <isra> - find ways to improve testing infrastructure
12:41:15 <isra> (tutorials, videos, testing tools, website, etc. )
12:42:33 <isra> Philip: if you want to do the even in Boston, W3C/MIT can donate the room for free
12:42:53 <isra> Next Selenium conference is in Boston
12:43:06 <isra> Possible candidate cities for next events:
12:43:51 <isra> Sydney, Tokyo, Delhi (W3C India expressed interest), China (TPAC)
12:44:30 <isra> Philip: next F2F in Sillicon Valley
12:44:35 <isra> Call to action:
12:44:44 <krisk> slide deck -> http://adobe.github.com/web-platform/presentations/testtwf-tpac2012/#/
12:44:49 <isra> - more people organize events. big or small events
12:44:58 <isra> - help promote event
12:45:19 <isra> - get more experts to attend to the event
12:45:44 <isra> - there are other ways to participate (donate meeting rooms, sponsorship, give away schwag, etc)
12:46:08 <isra> ---Discussion---
12:46:17 <isra> open question
12:46:30 <isra> How can we increase attendace?
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12:47:55 <isra> What is the synergy between WebPlat.org and TestTWF?
12:48:08 <isra> We'll discuss in a sec
12:48:39 <isra> You could look the groups that exist already in the places.
12:48:52 <isra> International test the web forward day
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12:49:10 <isra> get it on people calendars
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12:49:37 <isra> We video streamed the event in SF
12:50:09 <isra> If organized in advance, W3C could sponsor local events
12:50:22 <isra> suggesting bottom up events.
12:50:39 <isra> check out groups on meetup.com.
12:50:47 <isra> meetings will be small but numerous.
12:51:34 <isra> Will need Experts to attend meetups
12:51:41 <isra> --next question--
12:51:50 <isra> Ideas for topics?
12:52:13 <isra> i.e. "reviewethon"
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12:56:19 <isra> Chris: use current infrastructure that people knows how to use to keep people engaged
12:56:42 <isra> suggesting to read + write spec
12:56:48 <isra> suggesting any of the current specs
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12:58:30 <isra> Wilhem suggests to form teams that can join efforts and complement each other
13:00:18 <isra> James G suggests: have a list of tests that need to write, structure the meetup to create a pre-established a series of tests
13:00:45 <isra> suggesting to create a template to create tests
13:01:16 <isra> Arthur: extract the 'testable' section in the specs
13:02:05 <isra> suggesting to improve the testing infrastructure in general
13:02:39 <isra> suggesting to have a server that tracks all the test cases that have been created
13:03:27 <isra> Chris: it would be great to have a consistent mechanism across working groups
13:04:11 <isra> Peter: CSSWG has this mechanism. Called Sheppard
13:05:18 <isra> --next question---
13:05:44 <isra> Should TestTWF become part of the community efforts under Webplatform.org?
13:06:55 <isra> Chris: current W3C not looking very good. Terrible marketing. Should be the central repository for All W3C tests
13:07:10 <isra> Arthur: answer to the question. Yes, absolutely.
13:08:11 <AnssiK> perhaps http://w3c-test.org/framework/app/suite should be more visible on webplatform.org
13:08:16 <isra> David: no brainer
13:08:20 <isra> yes
13:08:39 <isra> ---next question---
13:08:40 <isra> Should we associate big TestTWF events with W3C events or separate them?
13:08:56 <isra> are there any other big events that we should tag onto?
13:09:06 <isra> David: WWW conference
13:09:51 <isra> Eurostar happening in amsterdam, eastern europe
13:10:33 <isra> Selenium conference gather 2-300 people
13:11:57 <isra> Arthur: WWW conferences are pretty academic. Not sure if it would work well.
13:12:13 <isra> David: that might not be a bad thing  because you get students to write tests
13:13:39 <isra> other conferences: iqnite, gtac, cast, star east, star west
13:13:58 <isra> infoq, qconf
13:14:26 <isra> Selenium user groups, Agile user groups that focus in testing
13:14:50 <isra> ---next question---
13:14:51 <isra> Other Topics?
13:15:00 <isra> any other suggestions
13:15:10 <isra> Wilheim
13:15:44 <isra> we want to write better tests
13:15:57 <isra> Simon: feel free to reach out, we can help
13:16:17 <isra> David: what's the process to review test cases
13:16:34 <isra> Alan: test cases are reviewed during the event
13:16:56 <isra> David: there is a risk that test cases cause false positives
13:17:51 <isra> Alan: yes, some test cases are not that useful but writting test cases keeps  the comunity engaged
13:18:36 <isra> Chris: concerned that some of the test case creators will never be seen again. What happens if you need to contact them?
13:18:41 <isra> Alan: call to action
13:19:00 <isra> - organize your own event
13:19:11 <isra> - help promote and evangelize
13:19:25 <isra> - travel to the events
13:19:41 <isra> contact us
13:19:43 <isra> testthewebforward@gmail.com
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13:28:55 <krisk> Thanks for setting up and getting 'test the web forward' rolling!!!
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