10:05:55 RRSAgent has joined #social 10:05:55 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-irc 10:06:08 scribenick: abasset 10:06:10 tokamoto has joined #social 10:06:13 christine_ has joined #social 10:06:17 jeff_ has joined #social 10:06:17 sandro has joined #social 10:06:28 JohnS has joined #social 10:06:28 mishida has joined #social 10:06:36 dsinger_ has joined #social 10:06:43 Nick_Doty, W3C, Privacy 10:06:46 Meeting: Social Breakout TPAC 2012 10:06:48 npdoty: privacy in online social networking 10:07:10 dan_romascanu: Avaya. social on the web platform, business 10:07:15 LeggoMuhGreggo has joined #social 10:07:18 Topic: Introductions 10:07:22 rrsagent, make minutes 10:07:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html Steven 10:07:23 Leetv_ has joined #social 10:07:24 Vivien_Conway: web accessibility, social 10:07:24 Vivian Conway, Aus .. how can social be more accessible 10:07:25 shh has joined #social 10:07:37 tantek has joined #social 10:07:39 jin has joined #Social 10:07:40 dbaron has joined #social 10:07:51 rrsagent, make log public 10:07:54 trueg has joined #social 10:07:55 Arnaud1 has joined #social 10:07:58 rrsagent, make minutes 10:07:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html Steven 10:07:59 Ruinan has joined #social 10:08:09 bblfish has joined #social 10:08:19 a few speakers interested in connection between social and privacy 10:08:28 SteveS has joined #social 10:08:36 FabGandon has joined #social 10:09:01 hello, I'm Tantek Çelik, of Mozilla, and particularly interested in empowering individuals to own and control their identity and data on the social web. See: http://indiewebcamp.com/ 10:09:04 wei has joined #social 10:09:21 Dan Romascanu - AVAYA, interested in the connection between social, individuals using social Web over the open platform, how they connect and be useful to businesses 10:09:28 leetv__ has joined #social 10:09:34 jfuller has joined #social 10:09:48 anant has joined #social 10:10:11 jeff_ has joined #social 10:10:25 Chair: Wendy Seltzer 10:10:31 rrsagent, make minutes 10:10:31 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html Steven 10:10:39 Sandro_Hawke: W3C, Semantic Web, interested in decentralized multiuser software -- making social apps without having to build your own critical mass, or relying on someone else's 10:10:50 sangrae has joined #social 10:11:04 Hello, I am Jean-Francois Moy, of France Telecom (London, United Kingdom), and I am particularly interested in knowing what a network carrier/telecommunication operator can bring to the social web, and how users can empower to have better control over their private life on the Internet. 10:11:29 Sebastian Trueg (OpenLink Software) - insight on current state of the Social Web Standardization Process and its relation to Linked Data 10:11:30 Ryladog has joined #social 10:11:55 I count over 40 of us here 10:11:58 jeff_ has joined #social 10:12:03 Chirstine Runnegar, Internet Society, co-chair Privacy Interest Group (PING) 10:12:16 chsiao_ has joined #social 10:12:28 Good foresight with the room assignment Tantek 10:12:37 shige__ has joined #social 10:12:45 vivienne has joined #social 10:12:58 shh, had a feeling this topic might be popular. ;) 10:13:11 Henry Story http://bblfish.net working on http://webid.info/ 10:13:55 odinho_ has joined #social 10:14:01 back in Sophia we identified identity as the key issue to be solved in a standardized manner in order to make progress on social web 10:14:18 Kunio Numabe , Fuji Televison Network, Japan 10:14:18 thanks dan :-) 10:14:30 dan_romascanu - isn't identity a solved problem? I have my URL identity: http://tantek.com/ :) 10:14:39 Working with WAI and Indie UI, and interested in ensuring accessible social networks and media 10:14:45 Steven Pemberton, CWI Amsterdam, chair of XForms, once chair of HTML WG,; interested in making social web less walled garden, and more real web. http://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/vandf/2008.03-website.html 10:15:02 melvster has joined #social 10:15:18 s/,;/;/ 10:15:19 IT is solved for those in the know Tatek 10:15:57 here is my id http://bblfish.net/people/card/henry#me 10:16:12 present+ Melvin Carvalho 10:16:15 Fabien Gandon, in charge of Wimmics Lab at Inria, http://wimmics.inria.fr interested in reconciling social semantics and formal semantics in web applications. 10:16:24 bblfish: "Not Found // The requested URL /people/card/henry was not found on this server." 10:16:25 bblfish, I get a 404 there 10:16:49 Keiji Yanagiuchi, Tokyo Broadcasting System Television, Japan 10:16:50 drogersuk has joined #social 10:16:52 Ryladog is Katie Haritos-Shea 10:16:56 ah sorry 10:17:01 robin_ has joined #social 10:17:06 tlr has joined #social 10:17:07 http://bblfish.net/people/henry/card#me type :-) 10:17:12 Takahiro Sakai from WOWOW in Japan 10:17:54 sangrae cho from ETRI, interested in social web with related to identity management 10:17:56 tantek: More and more people use URL pointing to their social network profile such as linked in and co. 10:18:22 bblfish - my browser doesn't understand that content-type (text/turtle) and asks me to download it. 10:18:30 Seung-Hun Jin from ETRI in Korea, and interested in identity management in connected world 10:18:31 Ruinan Sun, Huawei, we have interesting in mobile social WEB related topics. 10:18:42 proposed: glowing NFC chip with identity information that would automatically make IRC introductions 10:18:47 yes, Tantek I have a shorter version here: http://bblfish.net/#hjs 10:18:57 +1 steve holbrook. it'd be nice to have some social standard better than 1988's IRC. 10:19:01 jfmoy - sure, you can sharecrop your identity on some social network silo, or you can own your own domain and link to your other profiles with rel="me" to join them together. 10:19:03 Need a better browser, Tantek? :-) 10:19:08 that one uses RDFa to mark me up 10:19:12 Hello, I'm Steve Speicher with IBM and Linked Data Platform WG, interested in social web as key use case of http://LinkedDataPlatform.org 10:19:12 John S Lee - Interest, Mobile/pervasive aspects of social web and distributed and ad hoc creation of social web. 10:19:15 develD has joined #social 10:19:56 Arnaud Le Hors, IBM, chair of the LDP WG, interested in figuring out what role Linked Data might play in the social web space 10:20:08 rrsagent, make minutes 10:20:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html Steven 10:20:10 Wei Wu, RITT, I'm interested in trusted web infrastructure and cross-platform technologies. 10:20:11 Hello, I'm Melvin Carvalho, I'm with the W3C Read Write Web Community Group, I'm interested in using standards to read and write in the social web, my id on the Web is http://melvincarvalho.com/#me 10:20:30 tantek: I do agree that having a domain name is an excellent web identity. However it is not as accessible as a social network platform (which is unfortunately a silo. 10:20:37 Present+Steven_Pemberton 10:20:53 Steven - my browser does a decent job at browsing HTML :) 10:21:19 Ann Bassetti: at Boeing we have a large internal social network which we are using for expertise location, sharing of ideas, improved collaboration 10:21:20 And that's only the first of its problems, eh Tantak? 10:21:24 I am Vivienne Conway in Western Australia. My interests are how social media can be made more accessible for people with disabilities. 10:21:32 s/Tantak/Tantek/ 10:21:57 Steven, I see HTML as a solution, not a problem :) 10:22:17 Hey, i am Norman Richter from the univerity of Halle / Leipzig, Germany. I'm doing resarch on webid, web access control, pubsubhubbub. I'm still a student and planning to start with my final thesis on this subject within the next weeks/months. It's about delivering Linked Data over a PubHub with WebAccessControl / ACL to subscribers who should authentify with webid. 10:22:24 *wishes shh would put his comment into the record, rather than as a "/me" aside 10:22:25 And I see freedom choice as a positive value :-) 10:22:33 tantek: you might want to look at the tabulator extension which allows browsing turtle ... https://github.com/linkeddata/tabulator ... bblfish you can also use the mashlib library on your site to display turtle for those browsers that cant read it 10:22:36 jfmoy - I agree that we need to make acquiring a domain name and setting up an identity on the social web much easier. 10:22:53 that's one of the goals of the indiewebcamp.com community. 10:23:17 we've started documenting some approaches here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started 10:23:28 Wendy: typed many of peoples' ideas into wiki 10:23:31 I'm also curious about what is necessary to lower the bar on getting your own domain name / email address / etc. 10:23:42 Steven has left #social 10:23:53 ... also seeking to figure out how W3C could or should contribute in social area 10:23:54 tantek: Acquisition, and building a website that reflects properly your identity as well. Also, if you have a common name, it can be tricky to buy an easy to remember domain name. 10:23:57 Jim Fuller - Senior Engineer MarkLogic - interested in latest definition of 'social web', mature stds ... interested in seeing where things are going 10:24:03 ... are there standards that are lacking? 10:24:05 btw - there is a semi-persistent discussion on owning your own domain / data / identity in irc:///irc.freenode.net/indiewebcamp in case you want to join/lurk even after this suession 10:24:05 ... so +1 for indieweb, I want to know what I can do to get my non-techie friends doing it too 10:24:25 Steven has joined #social 10:24:39 SteveH_ has joined #social 10:24:40 npdoty_ - agreed with getting non-techie friends on the indieweb. what a lot of us "techie" folks have discovered is that even for us it is non-trivial, and current solutions don't solve the problems we want solved. 10:24:48 melvster1 has joined #social 10:24:51 so we're first trying to solve them for ourselves, self-dogfooding as it were 10:24:56 and then generalizing to more people 10:24:57 tantek: I see that you advise people to create a blog on wordpress/tumblr and link it to their domain name. Good introduction I think. 10:25:01 Wendy: WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO WITH SOCIAL? 10:25:04 Topic: What are we trying to do with social? 10:25:15 jfmoy - it's a start, not ideal, but easier than setting up a CMS. 10:25:20 tantek, yeah, absolutely, switching to an email address on my own domain has been non-trivial, so I'm not sure I can ask my friends to try it yet 10:25:20 rrsagent, make minutes 10:25:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html Steven 10:25:32 I just logged in from my laptop so I can type better. I'm also on as "shh" on my iPad. 10:25:35 q+ alexndre 10:25:44 Zakim has joined #social 10:25:50 q+ alexandre 10:25:52 re: What are we trying to do with social [on the web]? A: 1. own your own identity on the web, 2. own your own data on the web, 3. help others do 1 & 2. 10:25:53 @Steven, I agree re: on the record. Reintroducing myself again. 10:26:13 mishida_ has joined #social 10:26:44 sb: key thing is we are deciding who we want to talk to, not the whole web 10:26:47 q? 10:27:26 I'm Steve Holbrook, W3C AB, IBM, I'm interested in a Freedom of Choice (a.k.a. *not* walled garden) approach to social---implying open standards and interoperable implementations, especially for the enterprise. 10:27:51 q? 10:27:54 q+ 10:28:00 ack alexandre 10:28:05 ack alex 10:28:13 ldp= linked data platform 10:28:43 curious how many people here have their own (domain) identity on the web. 10:28:45 q? 10:28:47 knobuta2 has joined #social 10:28:47 ack ab 10:28:54 q? 10:29:07 betehess: identity, a URI, is important for access control, etc. 10:29:08 q? 10:29:14 q+ 10:29:31 q+ 10:29:53 ack vivienne 10:30:54 jalvinen has joined #social 10:30:57 Vivienne: reads that people are having problems with accessbility of Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn ... 10:31:18 is this just the javascript apps are not accessible problem? 10:31:27 q+ 10:31:29 seems like it. 10:31:29 ack Steven 10:31:30 so to summarise what I said ( forgot irc : in order ot have a social web ( which Steve Holbrook spoke about ) where more resources are made interactable ( eg, writeable by larger groups of trusted members ) one needs global identity, access controls and semantics to allow interaction on the web. 10:31:34 that is orthogonal to social 10:31:47 tpacbot has joined #social 10:31:50 q+ 10:31:51 I'm also curious about that, it seems like a Twitter feed should be exactly the kind of thing that a screen-reader could handle, short snippets of text 10:31:57 Steven: need a set of standards that define a 'non-walled garden' that is the social web 10:32:07 npdoty_ - it's called m.twitter.com. next! 10:32:32 wseltzer: who is waiting to build something if only there were a standard? 10:32:38 q+ 10:32:48 q+ 10:32:48 q+ to say standards come from things people build, not vice versa. 10:32:53 jalvinen has left #social 10:32:55 ack drogersuk 10:32:57 q? 10:33:33 q+ 10:33:37 ack steveh 10:33:38 Dave Rogers: suggests that Twitter has also given more access to disabled people 10:33:40 ack SteveH_ 10:34:30 rigo has joined #social 10:34:39 q+ 10:34:53 q- 10:35:05 SteveH: the market leaders (e.g., Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn) are not in the room here ... they do not seem motivated to open their tools up 10:35:17 wondering how that compares to eg OpenSocial 10:35:22 SteveH: a common JavaScript API to navigate a social network might be a way to start 10:35:28 is anyone still working on OpenSocial? 10:35:37 IBM is 10:35:41 ack dan_romascanu 10:36:13 Dan Romascanu: agrees with SteveH's point; observes we had similar discussion at W3C AC meeting in Sophia, May 2012 10:36:21 q+ 10:36:42 the IETF is doing work on system for cross domain identity management SCIM IETF 10:36:47 My comments regarding accessibility of social media are not that it isn't helping people with disabilities participate, but that there are many people with disabilities are still not able to use these applications - like Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn etc. I think they can do so much better. 10:36:52 ack dsinger 10:37:01 q- 10:37:07 develD has joined #social 10:37:16 the IETF SCIM WG - http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/scim/ 10:37:21 btw, speaking of social silos like Twitter, Linkedin, etc., plenty of such social sites *do* support open standards, such as hCard for marking up people: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-supporting-user-profiles 10:37:26 wseltzer1 has joined #social 10:37:49 DavidSinger: does not like when an online content resource (e.g., newspaper) makes you sign in with your Facebook / etc identity 10:37:52 dsinger: websites that need your fb identity to be used, and which have social share buttons 10:37:55 q+ alexandre 10:37:56 +1 from me on that 10:38:00 q? 10:38:10 ack tantek 10:38:10 tantek, you wanted to say standards come from things people build, not vice versa. 10:38:21 my other point is that we should relate to social networking platform vendors not only as users but also as corporate customers via other business relations 10:38:23 q+ 10:38:58 ack jeff_ 10:38:59 Tantek: experience is that people should implement first, and THEN make standards (rather than to try to define the standards first) 10:39:13 q+ 10:39:21 LinkedIn are not even a member 10:39:24 several hands on people who are actively building something for social, but tantek suggests we need more to get this moving 10:39:42 is disappointed in the lack of implementers of social interactivity on their websites would would be interested in interoperability. 10:39:51 I question the "get industry leaders in the room" methodology. 10:40:03 email didn't get opened up / successful / distributed because AOL was in the room. 10:40:07 q+ 10:40:12 hhalpin has joined #social 10:40:13 JeffJaffe: W3C kind of stuck on issue of trying to get the big social vendors 'in the room' 10:40:16 q? 10:40:17 +1 Jeff: maybe folks can get their companies to encourage the Social Network providers to come a W3C workshop on interoperability.... 10:40:24 q+ 10:40:35 the BigCo social networks have no incentives to work on this 10:40:40 avaya, ibm, boeing 10:40:40 we have to build it inspite 10:40:43 of 10:40:44 ack alex 10:40:46 q- 10:41:14 Hold the workshop, they will come; they won't dare miss it. 10:41:15 q+ 10:41:18 alex: decouple data from service 10:41:41 Alex is speaking about ldp Linked Data Profile 10:42:01 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp.html 10:42:04 ack wseltzer 10:42:10 FWIW - there was a Federated Social Web Summit just last week 10:42:20 Also, we ran a XG for a full year 10:42:27 and have held workshops previously 10:42:29 kboudaoud_ has joined #social 10:42:31 I'd like to know more about that Summit, Tantek 10:42:35 tantek, I was sorry I couldn't attend that after all, can you give a quick summary of that? 10:42:42 q+ tantek 10:42:43 s/Linked Data Profile/Linked Data Platform/ 10:42:47 http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/ 10:43:01 thanks for the correction :-) 10:43:01 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/XGR-socialweb-20101206/ 10:43:28 My expertise is in testing for accessibility and if I could help in any way with testing and advise, I am more than willing. 10:43:31 Federated Social Web Summit 2012 was held last Friday 2012-10-26 10:43:34 https://plus.google.com/events/cfrq5ndlkfh29dd9gqh3b5pg5hs 10:43:42 rrsagent, make minutes 10:43:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html Steven 10:43:49 notes from FSWS: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/fsw 10:43:52 There are also a number of specs in this space and working open-source software 10:44:13 wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/Federated_Social_Web_Summit_2012 10:44:15 The notes's from FSWS are probably a good snapshot 10:44:57 q- 10:45:03 of current landscape, yet the real problem the economic drivers for a single group of specs 10:45:14 gwestneat has joined #social 10:45:15 yes, the w3c had one year of work on the players in the Social Web field 10:45:52 i/Steven: need a set of standards that define a/scribenick: AnnBassetti 10:45:57 rrsagent, make minutes 10:45:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html Steven 10:46:16 And W3C hosted a non-invited version last year of the Federated Social Web Summit: 10:46:40 ack AnnBassetti 10:46:45 http://d-cent.org/fsw2011/ 10:47:23 ack tantek 10:47:45 Tantek: Federated SW Summit was invite only, but 'knockable' 10:48:14 AnnB: how does one get on mailing list, or some such, to find out far enough in advance to know it's even happening 10:48:32 (hard to knock, if you don't know it's occurring) 10:48:51 tantek: rather than wait for people to build tools for us, build our own (indiewebcamp) 10:48:54 Tantek: beating FB (etc) over the head in a workshop is not likely to succeed 10:48:59 i/is this just the javascript apps are not accessible problem/scribenick: AnnBassetti 10:49:02 rrsagent, make minutes 10:49:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html Steven 10:49:06 +1 tantek rather than beating market leaders over the head and asking them to attend, make a std succeed without them and then they'll join 10:49:11 ack hhalpin 10:49:13 .... IndieWeb trying to make open social web happening 10:49:30 HarryHalpin: W3C interested in this space for quite awhile 10:49:46 ... (lists various previous events/ groups) 10:50:01 wseltzer1 has joined #social 10:50:04 Q? 10:50:11 ... been discussing this for quite awhile .. . 10:50:24 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/XGR-socialweb-20101206/ A Standards-based, Open and Privacy-aware Social Web, W3C Incubator Group Report 6th December 2010 10:50:30 ... Tantek correct, problem is not that we do not have specs .. maybe we have too many specs 10:50:38 JonathanJ2 has joined #social 10:50:46 ... what are economic drivers that require 'social' to open up? 10:51:01 .. what are the business niches? 10:51:02 does anyone here have insight into tent.io? 10:51:07 q+ 10:51:22 (I know Harry's point is beyond just building these cool decentralized protocols, but I'm still curious about this one) 10:51:29 We're reaching time to wrap up 10:51:35 Harry: dumping all your private data on the open web is not a good idea 10:51:54 Zakim, close queue 10:51:54 ok, wseltzer1, the speaker queue is closed 10:52:00 q+ to mention, "has been discussing for some time" is the problem 10:52:05 drat 10:52:35 q? 10:52:38 ack bblfish 10:52:43 "discussing for some time" is the problem. too much discussing, not enough coding. 10:52:50 and especially not enough self-dogfooding. 10:53:04 what about, Tantek, people like me who aren't coders? 10:53:06 at some point frankly, I gave up on purely workshop/discussion/meeting only efforts 10:53:34 Present+FabGandon 10:53:34 if you're not creating (code/UI/UX/design) or not self-dogfooding what you create on your own domain, you're not helping the social web move forward. 10:53:42 linked data profile == linked data platform 10:53:45 (although I agree, TC, with the spirit of your point) 10:54:02 melvster has joined #social 10:54:13 AnnBassetti - sorry to say, but no amount of non-creators speaking to each other will result in anything being created. 10:54:17 Any particular use-cases and drivers from people I'd love to see that in IRC 10:54:24 tantek, I'd like to think our strategy can be more than just telling people more loudly that they need to code/dogfood 10:54:27 q+ 10:54:31 +1 10:54:33 q? 10:54:35 no number of customers in a restaurant discussing a menu will cause a meal to be created 10:54:48 I in general agree, but I do think there's quite a lot of "creators" in this space, the problem has been adoption. 10:55:00 henry: business case: police, firefighters, etc, all need social, they need access control. facebook market cap was high; if we could reach everyone, the value would be much higher. 10:55:04 hhalpin - there are many creators, but fewer creator self-dogfooders 10:55:19 q? 10:55:23 ack AnnBassetti 10:55:26 so I no longer hold any hope for even creators who are not self-dogfooding their own creations 10:55:27 si me: build it, use it, build communities 10:55:30 W3C isn't a restaurant, it's a kitchen Tantek. 10:55:33 vivienne: Use case -- taking your medical data, as you switch medical providers 10:55:49 Steven, saying you're not a creator is like saying you can't cook 10:55:51 "W3C isn't a restaurant, it's a kitchen" +1 10:56:20 doesn't matter whether you're in a restaurant or a kitchen, if you can't cook, you're not going to be able to make a meal except by purchasing what others have prepared 10:56:38 the next session == lunch 10:56:39 How about W3C is a French restaurant 10:56:44 ah sorry 10:56:48 forgot. Time flies 10:57:01 tantek, people can contribute a lot by saying what kind of food they're ready to pay for, right now. 10:57:07 Next session is on "Privacy and Identity" so lots will come up 10:57:16 that may be relevant for people here, in the same room. 10:57:17 wseltzer: thanks everybody, really thinking hard about this area where this consortium can bring these people together, bringing companies together or bringing coders together, please get in touch 10:57:31 ... hoping to put together a workshop that can help us take this to the next stage 10:57:45 sandro - I've seen too many social sites / solutions built for people who are asking for things they'll pay for, then get flipped into an acquisition by a larger company and shut down. 10:57:52 I no longer hold any hope for such ventures. 10:57:52 W3C is full of cooks. We must make sure we don't try to make any broth. 10:57:59 it's an unsustainable model 10:58:10 excellent point, tantek 10:58:11 Thanks Wendy for getting us out in time for lunch. 10:58:11 wendy just mentioned a (pre)program committee for a workshop... who would be interested in being on it? 10:58:15 Steven, few W3C cooks actually cook for themselves first and foremost 10:58:23 THANKS EVERYONE!! Help us plan a workshop! 10:58:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 10:58:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html npdoty_ 10:58:33 cooks should have to live on their own creations first before claiming they can feed others. 10:58:42 wseltzer1 has joined #social 10:58:51 I, or another IBM colleague, would very much like to volunteer to be on the program committee. 10:59:17 I am happy to help too 11:00:25 rrsagent, make minutes 11:00:25 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-social-minutes.html Steven 11:00:38 most like Don Buddenbaum, chair of Social Business Community Group, would be IBM's participant on the program committee 11:00:51 s/like/likely/ 11:01:49 webr3 has joined #social 11:09:46 jeff_ has joined #social 11:13:00 trueg has joined #social 11:14:43 wseltzer1 has joined #social 11:15:00 trueg has joined #social 11:18:15 dsinger has joined #social 11:21:44 dsinger has joined #social 11:27:44 wseltzer1 has joined #social 11:39:38 leetv has joined #social 11:42:54 wseltzer1 has joined #social 11:48:11 tokamoto has joined #social 11:52:54 wseltzer1 has joined #social 11:56:02 drogersuk has joined #social 12:02:54 FabGandon has joined #social 12:03:21 FabGandon has joined #social 12:17:01 FabGandon has joined #social 12:17:47 anant has joined #social 12:18:20 dsinger has joined #social 12:19:06 dsinger has joined #social 12:26:04 tokamoto has joined #social 12:27:14 Takahiro has joined #social 12:27:33 Takahiro has left #social 12:28:06 Yanagiuchi has joined #social 12:30:44 drogersuk has joined #social 12:31:15 npdoty has joined #social 12:31:22 dsinger has joined #social 12:32:50 SteveS has joined #social 12:32:56 SteveS has left #social 12:33:06 SteveH_ has joined #social 12:34:37 tantek has joined #social 12:34:53 Takahiro has joined #social 12:35:01 Takahiro has left #social 12:35:11 Arnaud1 has joined #social 12:36:25 drogersuk has left #social 12:36:59 dsinger has left #social 12:42:26 http://webid.info/spec 12:42:31 is the TLS version of WebID 12:43:25 my home page is http://webid.info/ 12:45:26 SO I mentioned the java cryptography api working group http://www.w3.org/2011/11/webcryptography-charter.html 12:46:03 the ldp Linked Data platform http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp.html 12:46:21