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10:09:45 <koalie> meeting: Community and Business Groups: Plenary Discussion
10:10:01 <koalie> scribe: JoshSoref
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10:10:25 <koalie> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/Talks/ij-tpac2012-plenary/#(1) Slides: Community and Business Groups: Plenary Discussion
10:10:27 <timeless_scribe> chair: IanJ
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10:10:35 <timeless_scribe> meeting: CommunityZ
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10:11:23 <timeless_scribe> Ian: the most time consuming part for me
10:11:28 <timeless_scribe> ... is talking to them about the CLA
10:11:31 <timeless_scribe> ... what it means to join
10:11:36 <timeless_scribe> ... we can improve the UI
10:11:41 <timeless_scribe> ... and make it easier for non-members to join
10:11:48 <koalie> [currently, 1934 individual participants]
10:11:49 <timeless_scribe> ... examples of successful groups
10:11:54 <cygri> stats on participation: http://www.w3.org/2012/Talks/ij-tpac2012-plenary/#(3)
10:11:55 <timeless_scribe> ... Responsive Images
10:12:07 <timeless_scribe> ... this CG represents the vision we had for CGs
10:12:14 <timeless_scribe> ... you had a guy who had never done standards work
10:12:20 <timeless_scribe> ... he went into whatwg
10:12:22 <timeless_scribe> ... bounced off
10:12:26 <timeless_scribe> ... he formed a CG
10:12:44 <timeless_scribe> ... they developed an idea
10:12:48 <timeless_scribe> ... it was pitched to WG
10:12:53 <timeless_scribe> ... and was used to form idea
10:12:57 <timeless_scribe> ... JSON-LD
10:13:33 <timeless_scribe> ... can WGs take up things from CGs?
10:13:37 <timeless_scribe> ... they can if they're already in charter
10:13:49 <timeless_scribe> ... there are some CGs which have totally stalled
10:13:56 <timeless_scribe> ... we've created a CG Council CG
10:13:59 <timeless_scribe> ... to document issues
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10:14:12 <timeless_scribe> ... "Chair Selection"
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10:15:43 <timeless_scribe> ... in WGs, there's a way to handle Chairs not working w/ participants
10:15:56 <timeless_scribe> ... one theme for change is: what's the minimal change needed
10:16:06 <timeless_scribe> ... what can we fix through Good Practice  v. Rules
10:16:17 <timeless_scribe> ... questions about chairs listening to participants
10:16:22 <timeless_scribe> ... maybe we can have a default charter
10:16:28 <timeless_scribe> ... at first blush, it sounds ok
10:16:37 <koalie> -> http://www.w3.org/community/council/ Community Council
10:16:40 <timeless_scribe> ... but let's not have it be the default, but let's have them actively choose it
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10:16:57 <timeless_scribe> XXX: what was the reason?
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10:17:07 <timeless_scribe> Ian: I want people to make a conscious decision
10:17:10 <timeless_scribe> ... to adopt the rules
10:17:22 <timeless_scribe> s/XXX:/Milan:/
10:17:32 <timeless_scribe> Milan: if we give groups a charter
10:17:39 <timeless_scribe> ... and "if you don't like, please describe what you want"
10:17:44 <timeless_scribe> Ian: it could be that
10:17:52 <timeless_scribe> ... but people don't necessarily know what they want
10:17:58 <timeless_scribe> ... or how they want to run things
10:18:03 <timeless_scribe> ... it requires a lot of training
10:18:09 <timeless_scribe> ... i don't know that they know everything in advance
10:18:16 <timeless_scribe> ... people respond "we're not going to pick our chairs yet"
10:18:20 <timeless_scribe> ... i'm like "pick your chair"
10:18:27 <timeless_scribe> ... i don't want to force anything
10:18:34 <timeless_scribe> burn: Dan Burn, AT&T
10:18:45 <timeless_scribe> s/Burn/Druta/
10:18:56 <timeless_scribe> ... how do you deal w/ overlap?
10:19:00 <timeless_scribe> s/burn:/ddruta:/
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10:19:07 <timeless_scribe> Ian: CG process says "Groups choose their own chairs"
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10:19:39 <timeless_scribe> Ian: process could be strengthened on how one chooses chairs
10:19:45 <timeless_scribe> ... there's risks in any approach
10:19:52 <timeless_scribe> ... if we vote and 80% say Joe should be chair
10:19:53 <timeless_scribe> ... done
10:20:00 <timeless_scribe> ... problem, there's a denial of service capability
10:20:08 <timeless_scribe> ... you could the next day have another vote, and another vote
10:20:22 <timeless_scribe> ... how do we address chair selection to help avoid creating a DoS capability
10:20:34 <timeless_scribe> ... e.g. only can vote for chair N-weeks after last vote
10:20:47 <timeless_scribe> Ian: today, people can create a group, they're free and fast
10:20:57 <timeless_scribe> ... but it was suggested to strengthen chair selection
10:21:08 <timeless_scribe> ... another question was Transition of Work from CG/BG to WG
10:21:24 <timeless_scribe> ... Patent Policies/Copyright Policies are designed to make this easy
10:21:30 <timeless_scribe> ... Contributor Agreement say this:
10:21:41 <timeless_scribe> ... if you have a contribution, and part of the spec goes to WG track
10:21:52 <timeless_scribe> ... then your commitment follows on to that WG track
10:22:07 <timeless_scribe> ... so stuff goes to WG+standard easily
10:22:11 <timeless_scribe> ... but not in opposite direction
10:22:21 <timeless_scribe> ... CG produces spec, hands off, goes to do other things
10:22:30 <timeless_scribe> ... another way to make it possible is Invited Expert policy
10:22:47 <timeless_scribe> ... we've made that easier for CGs
10:22:52 <timeless_scribe> ... because we want continuity
10:23:10 <timeless_scribe> ... we still seek your Membership
10:23:15 <timeless_scribe> ... but we make it easier
10:23:27 <timeless_scribe> ... it's a grace period
10:23:33 <timeless_scribe> ... next, there's WGs finish v1.0
10:23:45 <timeless_scribe> ... CG is launched for v2
10:24:01 <timeless_scribe> ... but there's no commitment from the WG into the CG
10:24:19 <timeless_scribe> ... CGs are allowed to have overlapping
10:24:40 <timeless_scribe> q+ dsinger to raise point about needing default/baseline
10:24:50 <timeless_scribe> ddruta: XXA
10:24:55 <timeless_scribe> Ian: we recommend charters
10:25:05 <timeless_scribe> ... people typically give us short overview
10:25:13 <timeless_scribe> ... some give us detailed charter, like CoreMob CG
10:25:20 <timeless_scribe> ddruta: not a full verbose description
10:25:33 <timeless_scribe> ... there are 3 specs here, they don't address features A,B,C, we're here to address that
10:25:36 <timeless_scribe> Ian: I love that
10:25:42 <timeless_scribe> ... not all CGs are in that position, but yes
10:26:01 <timeless_scribe> Ian: CGs are working on something, want to hand off v1, but want to enhance for v2
10:26:04 <timeless_scribe> ... we think that's ok
10:26:19 <timeless_scribe> ... Transition problem
10:26:28 <timeless_scribe> ... WG could want to take up CG
10:26:35 <timeless_scribe> ... or CG might want WG to take it up
10:26:46 <timeless_scribe> ... process: WG tech reports must be in English (US)
10:27:06 <timeless_scribe> ... but other IGs/CGs could work in another language
10:27:30 <timeless_scribe> ... for Patent policy
10:27:44 <timeless_scribe> ... we want you to get Final Spec agreement from the 10 most important contributors
10:27:54 <timeless_scribe> ... it's a question of community being convinced they have sufficient coverage
10:28:10 <timeless_scribe> Suresh: who decides that?
10:28:23 <timeless_scribe> Ian: in the case, where a WG wants to take up a spec
10:28:37 <timeless_scribe> ... the WG decides
10:28:46 <dsinger> q?
10:29:08 <timeless_scribe> Suresh: in resp images
10:29:16 <timeless_scribe> ... when it was moved to HTML CG
10:29:20 <timeless_scribe> s/CG/WG/
10:29:28 <timeless_scribe> ... was a commitment gathered before the move?
10:29:30 <timeless_scribe> Ian: Yes
10:29:46 <timeless_scribe> ... This was for the case where the WG wanted this
10:29:53 <timeless_scribe> ... politeness says to talk to the CG before they do this
10:30:04 <timeless_scribe> ... we don't have rules against taking up w/o dialog
10:30:10 <timeless_scribe> ... but we expect it
10:30:14 <timeless_scribe> ... if no WG has scope
10:30:26 <timeless_scribe> ... directory proposes to membership
10:30:58 <timeless_scribe> ... we'd ask CG to help draft charter
10:31:08 <timeless_scribe> XXA: Is this for BG too?
10:31:12 <timeless_scribe> Ian: yes, CG/BG are identicall
10:31:15 <timeless_scribe> s/all/al/
10:31:19 <timeless_scribe> Ian: skipping licensing
10:31:22 <Alan> s/XXA/Kaz/
10:31:32 <timeless_scribe> ... We have CG Council CG
10:31:35 <timeless_scribe> ... it doesn't meet regularly
10:31:38 <timeless_scribe> ... we're not using it
10:31:38 <Alan> s/identicall/identical/
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10:31:59 <timeless_scribe> ... infrastructure to build, is Tracking/Dashboard
10:32:03 <Alan> didn't think what the result could be
10:32:04 <timeless_scribe> ... what work should i be doing
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10:32:20 <timeless_scribe> ... we're working on a redesign ofUI
10:32:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-community-minutes.html Alan
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10:32:48 <timeless_scribe> Milan: Milan Young
10:33:00 <timeless_scribe> ... I understood why you didn't want to impose requiremment for operating agreement
10:33:07 <timeless_scribe> ... if a group elects not to have an operating agreement
10:33:16 <burn> q+
10:33:17 <timeless_scribe> ... a group should post a warning indicating it's doing this
10:33:35 <timeless_scribe> ... you said you were looking for an algorithm for Chair selection
10:33:44 <timeless_scribe> ... what if you could have an invisible vote of confidence on chair
10:33:52 <timeless_scribe> ... if 60% of chair is listed as unhappy
10:34:00 <timeless_scribe> ... maybe an email could be sent out
10:34:09 <timeless_scribe> Ian: like France vote of no confidence
10:34:28 <naomi> broadcasters are complaining having limitation to get slides or irc on time
10:34:32 <timeless_scribe> ... what if you get new members?
10:34:38 <timeless_scribe> ... and stack the vote?
10:34:47 <timeless_scribe> ... Today, if you go into a group
10:34:48 <dom> q?
10:34:50 <timeless_scribe> ... produce a report
10:34:54 <timeless_scribe> ... "final specification"
10:34:57 <timeless_scribe> ... if you go through XG process
10:35:06 <timeless_scribe> ... staff/fair principled leadership
10:35:20 <timeless_scribe> ... if you get something that sounds weaker
10:35:30 <timeless_scribe> ... whatever specification should be signed by the operating agreement
10:35:43 <timeless_scribe> ... if that agrement is "wild west"
10:35:59 <timeless_scribe> Ian: so can you reflect the policy of the group for creeation into the thing
10:36:07 <timeless_scribe> Judy: appreciate your comment about naming
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10:36:18 <koalie> s/creea/crea/
10:36:18 <Alan> s/broadcasters are complianing having limitation to get slides or irc on time//
10:36:29 <Ian> q?
10:36:37 <timeless_scribe> ... w3c has for a long time had problem with the outcome documents
10:36:42 <timeless_scribe> ... when we started CG process
10:36:52 <timeless_scribe> ... we wanted to avoid having CG process confused with WG process
10:37:01 <timeless_scribe> ... for WAI of W3C
10:37:09 <timeless_scribe> ... we're ramping up horizontal review
10:37:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/31-community-minutes.html Alan
10:37:17 <timeless_scribe> ... it wasn't reflected in AC discussion yesterday
10:37:27 <timeless_scribe> ... part of W3 process is WG products have cross review
10:37:34 <timeless_scribe> ... complaints about CG is
10:37:39 <timeless_scribe> ... one CG has "living standard"
10:37:42 <timeless_scribe> ... which creates confusion
10:37:53 <timeless_scribe> ... your point about "final specification" sounding "more final" is an interesting point
10:38:04 <timeless_scribe> Ian: the document isn't called that
10:38:08 <timeless_scribe> ... we have a legal agreement
10:38:12 <timeless_scribe> burn: it doesn't prohibit it
10:38:19 <timeless_scribe> Judy: it would be nice to get meaning clearer
10:38:21 <timeless_scribe> ack dsinger
10:38:21 <Zakim> dsinger, you wanted to raise point about needing default/baseline
10:38:36 <timeless_scribe> dsinger:  I think CGs need a 'default/baseline' process, as many don't want to invent their own, and I think we need some filtering of proposed CGs to make sure that proposals for CGs are well described etc. -- reduce noise and proliferation.  just 2 cents
10:38:52 <koalie> [Josh reading dsinger's note]
10:38:57 <timeless_scribe> Ian: I do that filtering up front
10:39:04 <timeless_scribe> ... we sometimes adjust their descriptions dynamically
10:39:06 <timeless_scribe> ack burn
10:39:13 <timeless_scribe> burn: some have seen this email
10:39:21 <timeless_scribe> ... have as a threat, half as a joke, half seriously
10:39:27 <timeless_scribe> ... steps in Speech API
10:39:30 <timeless_scribe> ... "why can't this occur"
10:39:34 <koalie> s/have as/half as/
10:39:35 <timeless_scribe> ... i create a new CG "HTML 6"
10:39:48 <timeless_scribe> ... with me as chair, requires a few people, not members
10:40:04 <timeless_scribe> ... I nominate them (Milan, Jim) as editors
10:40:11 <timeless_scribe> ... I believe i can create following press release
10:40:19 <timeless_scribe> [ burn reads press release ]
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10:40:36 <timeless_scribe> burn: i didn't say "CG", i didn't say "Standard"
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10:40:42 <timeless_scribe> ... world at large doesn't understand the distinction
10:40:43 <Suresh> q+
10:40:51 <timeless_scribe> ... Milan had constructive suggestions
10:41:00 <timeless_scribe> ... i don't usually like to complain w/o constructive suggestions
10:41:08 <timeless_scribe> ... when people behave properly, you don't need laws/robert's rules
10:41:15 <timeless_scribe> ... when you have people who don't see the need to behave
10:41:22 <timeless_scribe> ... how do you stop this chain of events from occuring
10:41:25 <timeless_scribe> ... with html
10:41:35 <timeless_scribe> ... if i did that, there'd be so many people saying "what, this is a crock"
10:41:40 <timeless_scribe> ... but this happened in Speech
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10:41:46 <timeless_scribe> ... there's a narrower area
10:41:51 <timeless_scribe> ... fewer people to raise an issue
10:41:54 <timeless_scribe> Ian: great question
10:42:04 <timeless_scribe> ... 1. we could have started CGs w/ Robert's Rules of Order
10:42:11 <timeless_scribe> ... it was anithetical to what we wanted to do
10:42:19 <timeless_scribe> ... it was a conscious choice for minimally constraining
10:42:27 <timeless_scribe> ... ok, can be tweaked
10:42:37 <timeless_scribe> ... i can't guarantee it'll prevent every bad scenario
10:42:45 <timeless_scribe> ... index of reports is different
10:42:52 <timeless_scribe> ... can't prevent that by choice
10:43:00 <timeless_scribe> ... incrementally add bits to improve situation
10:43:05 <timeless_scribe> ... i don't expect a giant process
10:43:15 <ddahl> q+
10:43:18 <timeless_scribe> burn: this is a sequence of events, break it somewhere
10:43:23 <timeless_scribe> ... i don't see a way to stop that sequence
10:43:27 <timeless_scribe> Ian: there are some mechanisms
10:43:31 <timeless_scribe> ... new proposals
10:43:37 <timeless_scribe> ... if person is from trusted set
10:43:42 <timeless_scribe> ... "member/team"
10:43:47 <timeless_scribe> ... it goes to proposed state
10:43:59 <Alan> s/broadcasters are complaining having limitation to get slides or irc on time//
10:43:59 <timeless_scribe> ... non trusted, requries me to approve
10:44:02 <Ian> q?
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10:44:16 <timeless_scribe> ddruta: a value of CGs is non-member participants
10:44:28 <timeless_scribe> ... example of happy was non member starting process
10:44:33 <timeless_scribe> ... if you have members starting CGs
10:44:36 <timeless_scribe> ... i'd argue that's not trusted
10:44:41 <timeless_scribe> ... because they have other opportunities
10:44:50 <timeless_scribe> Ian: that's the one way without Staff interaction
10:44:54 <dom> q?
10:44:55 <timeless_scribe> ack Suresh
10:44:58 <dom> q+ jim
10:45:10 <timeless_scribe> Suresh: we've been in  a couple of CGs
10:45:20 <timeless_scribe> ... clearly there should be a best practices document
10:45:24 <timeless_scribe> ... what is clear scope
10:45:29 <timeless_scribe> ... ideally set in stone at beginning
10:45:35 <timeless_scribe> ... can't have evolving strategy
10:45:39 <timeless_scribe> Ian: you can
10:45:45 <timeless_scribe> Suresh: there's an individual commitment
10:45:53 <timeless_scribe> Ian: you only commit to your commitments
10:45:59 <timeless_scribe> Ian: good practices don't surprise people
10:46:02 <timeless_scribe> Suresh: be specific
10:46:04 <timeless_scribe> ... Scope
10:46:09 <timeless_scribe> ... What gaps is this trying to fill
10:46:18 <timeless_scribe> ... which WG is this targeting?
10:46:22 <timeless_scribe> ... could be a form to fill out
10:46:28 <timeless_scribe> ... comment about Living Standard
10:46:36 <timeless_scribe> ... set a timeline of expiration for a CG
10:46:53 <timeless_scribe> Suresh: set 12/18 months expiration if you don't deliver something w/in time
10:47:00 <timeless_scribe> Ian: we need ways to measure activity of a group
10:47:11 <timeless_scribe> ... we've had people who say "don't close us down, we have 500 people"
10:47:20 <timeless_scribe> Ian: we have a plan to contact them
10:47:24 <timeless_scribe> Ian: we need tools for this
10:47:25 <timeless_scribe> q?
10:47:27 <timeless_scribe> ack ddahl
10:47:31 <timeless_scribe> ddahl: question of naming
10:47:33 <timeless_scribe> ... it's strange
10:47:42 <timeless_scribe> ... that document w/ light level of process should be called specification
10:47:44 <timeless_scribe> Ian: why?
10:47:50 <timeless_scribe> ddahl: it carries a lot of meaning
10:47:58 <timeless_scribe> ... especially with W3C branding
10:48:12 <Suresh> rename "Final specification" to "Final Report"
10:48:23 <timeless_scribe> ddahl: i read the boilerplate
10:48:27 <timeless_scribe> ... i'm not typical
10:48:36 <timeless_scribe> ... but people says hey look, i can do X
10:48:44 <timeless_scribe> ... the word specification is misleading
10:48:49 <timeless_scribe> ... very easy to rename
10:49:38 <timeless_scribe> [ the document Ian showed used Specification ]
10:49:46 <timeless_scribe> [ elsewhere Ian showed places with "Report" ]
10:49:55 <timeless_scribe> jim: call it this report
10:49:59 <timeless_scribe> ... and stick expiration date
10:50:11 <timeless_scribe> Ian: we don't want things to disappear from web
10:50:22 <timeless_scribe> ... we could have "this is not a standard"
10:50:29 <timeless_scribe> jim: getting "specification" out
10:50:39 <timeless_scribe> ... and have votes be by Organization
10:50:49 <timeless_scribe> ... what burn proposed for html6
10:51:00 <timeless_scribe> ... had more companies behind it than what happened
10:51:06 <timeless_scribe> Ian: spectrum of ways groups operate
10:51:11 <timeless_scribe> ... we should explain how they operated
10:51:15 <timeless_scribe> ... but people say they don't read
10:51:19 <timeless_scribe> ... i don't want blanket statements
10:51:20 <Ian> q?
10:51:20 <timeless_scribe> q?
10:51:25 <timeless_scribe> ack jim
10:51:30 <timeless_scribe> jim: ideally it should go to a WG
10:51:33 <timeless_scribe> ... we want it to go to a WG
10:51:40 <timeless_scribe> ... don't make it look like a WG product
10:51:47 <timeless_scribe> ... some guys' smart ideas
10:52:57 <timeless_scribe> Josh: QQ
10:53:03 <timeless_scribe> Ian: there's a better process in CGs
10:53:05 <timeless_scribe> ... than in WGs
10:53:10 <timeless_scribe> ... we have less maintenance to do
10:53:13 <Ian> q?
10:53:26 <timeless_scribe> Ian: thank you all, i got a strong message
10:53:37 <timeless_scribe> ... join Community Council to help further
10:53:39 <timeless_scribe> [ Applause ]
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10:54:29 <timeless_scribe> s/QQ/There's a problem with documents in WGs+CGs being non final and lasting for a long time but not being updated to say "this is obsolete"/
10:54:50 <timeless_scribe> burn: i wonder if we could have a thing in the logo itself
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10:54:57 <timeless_scribe> Ian: or you could have it in a watermark
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