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08:19:24 <Jeanne> TH Schee, Agis from Greece, Jeanne Holm, Florian Henning, Rilwan, Nick Greenaway,
08:19:39 <agipap> Agis Papantoniou :-)
08:20:42 <fhenning> meeting: eGov IG meeting 29 October 2012
08:20:56 <fhenning> chair: Jeanne Holm
08:21:06 <fhenning> Scribe: Florian
08:21:22 <Pdm> good morning  Jeanne and all, is the only way to listen to the presentation to use skype? is there no webex type interface to the talk? thanks ::)
08:22:10 <fhenning> Topic: Gov use of SM in Taiwan
08:22:34 <Jeanne> The presentation can be found at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:W3c-egov-Taiwan.pdf
08:23:16 <Jeanne> thschee: Many people in Taiwan have lots of mobile phones (some have 2-7 phones) and use social media a lot
08:24:00 <Jeanne> thschee: Facebook is used quite a bit, but do not use Twitter at all.  Only 100,000 use Twitter in Taiwan, but many people use Quirk.
08:24:33 <Jeanne> <Sandro--thanks--I cannot seem to invite zakim, are you able to initiate it?>
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08:24:43 <sandro> zakim, this is egov
08:24:43 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV(Eurasian)4:00AM
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08:26:33 <fhenning> thschee: 2009 typhoon created awareness of lack of information for the public
08:27:31 <Jeanne> Pdm: The only way to listen is via phone--you can call in (but it's a US based phone number) or call in over Skype.
08:27:37 <fhenning> thschee: resulted in creation of proxy between gov and citizens for use of social media
08:28:17 <fhenning> thschee: resulting in gov awareness of importance of social media, they needed to do something
08:29:12 <fhenning> thschee: gove use of social media in taiwan is high now, Government CIO is heavily involved
08:30:32 <Jeanne> thschee: Social media is a channel for engaging with the government
08:31:49 <fhenning> thschee: shares screenshots in presentation, examples of departments use of facebook
08:31:49 <Jeanne> thschee: Departments are using social media as channels to the public as well and are very familiar with social media usage
08:32:12 <fhenning> thschee: asks for questions on presentation
08:32:41 <fhenning> Jeanne: asks about the different tools and technologies the government is using, specifically qirk
08:32:52 <fhenning> thschee: government uses facebook most of the time
08:32:58 <Jeanne> zakim who is here?
08:33:04 <Jeanne> Zakim who is here?
08:33:46 <fhenning> thschee: government issues a lot of apps to integrate social media
08:33:58 <fhenning> thschee: more than 39 apps a year
08:34:40 <fhenning> thschee: difficulty is to tak into account the regulations
08:34:45 <Real> zakim, list participants
08:34:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +88697069aaaa, [IPcaller], +44.786.783.aabb, Phil_Archer, +44.786.783.aacc, +8532871aadd
08:36:46 <fhenning> Jeanne: asks whether social media is ued as broadcast or also as 2-way communication
08:37:05 <agipap> zakim, IPcaller is me
08:37:05 <Zakim> +agipap; got it
08:37:31 <fhenning> thschee: rather not 2-way communication, because regulation makes it difficult for officials to state own opinion
08:37:42 <fhenning> ...on social media
08:38:29 <fhenning> thschee: it also depends on the sector, because there are different secoral regulations
08:38:48 <fhenning> s/secoral/sectoral
08:39:21 <Jeanne> Rilwan--can you see if you can mute that one noisy line?
08:39:42 <Jeanne> Any other questions?
08:39:43 <fhenning> thschee: most officials have private social media accounts, but you would have to know these accounts to engage in communication with them
08:40:02 <thschee> maybe the noise comes from my side
08:40:03 <Jeanne> http://www.slideshare.net/jeanneholm1/knowledge-sharing-and-social-media-at-nasa
08:40:37 <Real> mute +88697069
08:41:05 <Real> zakim, mute +88697069
08:41:05 <Zakim> +88697069aaaa should now be muted
08:41:14 <Jeanne> Thank you!
08:41:44 <fhenning> topic: jeanne's presentation on social media at NASA
08:42:15 <fhenning> Jeanne: focus is on use for next generations
08:42:28 <Real> zakim, mute thschee
08:42:28 <Zakim> sorry, Real, I do not know which phone connection belongs to thschee
08:42:39 <fhenning> Jeanne: diferent generations have different uses of social media
08:42:55 <Zakim> - +88697069aaaa
08:42:55 <fhenning> ...older people use social media differently than younger people
08:43:52 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 3: key to understanding is to understand trust and reciprocity
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08:44:27 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 4: how to move from early adoption to social media use
08:44:55 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 5: screenshot of NASA website
08:45:23 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...includes lots of ways for people to engage, live coverage
08:45:43 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...and interaction with scientists
08:46:31 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 6: Zakim screenshot of NASA engineering network: a community for people to interact
08:46:55 <fhenning> Jeanne: intention is to have a place or engagement
08:47:19 <Real> Zakim, who is muted?
08:47:19 <Zakim> I see no one muted
08:47:41 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 7: example of semantic tool, pulls out information from various sources at NASA and shows the in a we interface
08:48:12 <fhenning> s/we/web
08:48:52 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...it can be used for finding experts and identify expertise
08:49:14 <Real> zakim, list participants
08:49:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +88697069aaaa, +44.786.783.aabb, Phil_Archer, +44.786.783.aacc, +8532871aadd, agipap
08:49:24 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 8: reference to Kuhn's paradigm's shift concept
08:50:05 <fhenning> Jeanne: ..applied in NASA context: idea is to generate new perspectives by engagement with the public
08:50:25 <Zakim> + +88697069aaee
08:50:39 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 11: NASA use of facebook. every mission has a different facebook page.
08:51:25 <Real> zakim, list participants
08:51:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +88697069aaaa, +44.786.783.aabb, Phil_Archer, +44.786.783.aacc, +8532871aadd, agipap, +88697069aaee
08:51:43 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...they let people connect and collaborate. on facebook people can gather with friends, and this is linked with the NASA website. idea is for NASA not to be "separated"
08:52:05 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 12: youtube use of NASA
08:52:27 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 13: iTunes use, where people can for instance download podcasts
08:52:53 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 14: NASA was early adopter of twitter
08:53:56 <Real> Zakim, +88697069 is cpyang
08:53:56 <Zakim> +cpyang; got it
08:54:05 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...the threads are often written from the perspective of a rover, gives it a personal touch, which is important to create a connection
08:54:49 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...NASA was the first to tweet from space (by astronauts)
08:55:24 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 15: shows example of NASA use of second life platform as a means to interact with public
08:56:24 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 16: shows a second life event, hosted for mars rover landing, online debate that was also used to feed into real-life usage.
08:57:00 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...was also used to inform the public of NASA's point of view of the mission in an interactive way. useful feature is that 2nd life allows translation feature
08:57:44 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 17: importance to work across different social media platforms
08:58:30 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
08:58:38 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...center for global change: used 2nd life as a visualisation tool of what future impacts from global warming would be like
08:59:01 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...creates a much more active engagement and learning of global issues
08:59:13 <Jeanne> http://beamartian.jpl.nasa.gov
08:59:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
08:59:41 <Zakim> + +1.703.281.aaff
08:59:42 <agipap> zakim, IPcaller is me
08:59:43 <Zakim> +agipap; got it
09:00:15 <fhenning> Jeanne: slide 19: screenshot from interactive game 'be a martian'. games are popular, many players, and are used for the public to do some of NASA's work (crowdsourcing) in a fun way
09:00:58 <Jeanne> Any questions?
09:01:02 <fhenning> Jeanne: question round...
09:02:01 <Zakim> -agipap.a
09:02:18 <fhenning> fhenning: which social media platforms were most sucessful? does it make sense to prioritise?
09:02:34 <Real> +q fhenning
09:03:02 <Jeanne> The links to the talks are at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page
09:03:06 <Pdm> Jeanne, in one of the slides you show an interface that pulls up information stored/queried using semantic technologies, could you mention which technologies are behind? (or is that another talk?) thanks
09:03:07 <Real> -q fhenning
09:03:13 <fhenning> Jeanne: different channels have different purposes. so youtube is more of an anouncement medium. most popular are by far twitter and facebook
09:03:28 <Jeanne> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/7/73/W3C_eGov_Social_Media.doc
09:03:33 <Pdm> sorry, I should have typed q+, forgot
09:04:47 <fhenning> Jeanne: asnwer @ pdm: NASA uses various interfaces, eg. jface to search across those
09:05:08 <Jeanne> POPS uses RDF and OWL with a Jspace interface to create the semantic technology for finding experts
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09:06:16 <agipap> zakim, IPcaller is me
09:06:16 <Zakim> +agipap; got it
09:06:39 <Zakim> -agipap.a
09:06:44 <Zakim> + +1.440.389.aagg
09:06:46 <Pdm> @jeane thank you, will look up jspace
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09:07:01 <fhenning> topic: summary of social media uses by governments
09:07:08 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is on the call?
09:07:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see agipap, +44.786.783.aacc, +8532871aadd, cpyang, +1.703.281.aaff, +1.440.389.aagg
09:07:16 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, aagg is me
09:07:16 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it
09:07:29 <Real> zakim, +1.440.389 is HadleyBeeman
09:07:29 <Zakim> sorry, Real, I do not recognize a party named '+1.440.389'
09:07:51 <fhenning> Jeanne: idea is to, in the longer term, develop the summaries into online book chapters
09:07:59 <Real> zakim, +1.440.389.aagg is HadleyBeeman
09:07:59 <Zakim> sorry, Real, I do not recognize a party named '+1.440.389.aagg'
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09:08:22 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is on the call?
09:08:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see agipap, +44.786.783.aacc, +8532871aadd, cpyang, +1.703.281.aaff, HadleyBeeman
09:08:44 <fhenning> Jeanne: there were 12 different presentations of government social media use over the past meetings from various countries, various topics
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09:09:16 <Real> zakim, list participants
09:09:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +88697069aaaa, +44.786.783.aabb, Phil_Archer, +44.786.783.aacc, +8532871aadd, agipap, +88697069aaee, cpyang, +1.703.281.aaff,
09:09:19 <Zakim> ... +1.440.389.aagg, HadleyBeeman
09:09:28 <fhenning> Jeanne: also included a variety of different objectives.
09:10:15 <fhenning> Jeanne: the summaries also showed that a wide variety of different tools and technologies are used
09:11:03 <fhenning> Jeanne: presents key findings, issues that came up in various presentations
09:14:03 <fhenning> Jeanne: sveral people have volunteered to contribute to the book chapters
09:14:10 <fhenning> Jeanne: this can evolve over time
09:14:31 <HadleyBeeman> q+
09:14:48 <fhenning> Jeanne: 2 questions: are there other issues that have been missed in the past discussions? what is the way forward?
09:14:56 <Jeanne> Any additional thoughts about the last few months of discussions about social media?
09:15:11 <fhenning> question round
09:15:35 <Real> zakim, queue?
09:15:35 <Zakim> I see HadleyBeeman on the speaker queue
09:15:39 <HadleyBeeman> q-
09:16:19 <fhenning> Jeanne: one major aim of the interest group is to create an output form the discussions (eg. book, guidelines)
09:16:34 <fhenning> Jeanne: ...another goal is recommendations to other interest groups
09:16:48 <Zakim> +??P3
09:16:59 <fhenning> Jeanne: how will this benefit W3c?
09:17:51 <fhenning> HadleyBeeman: interest in gaining new perspectives and insights from discussions on social media
09:18:13 <Zakim> -??P3
09:18:53 <fhenning> Jeanne: the plan forward: there is a drat work document on the wiki, which will be used as an online work document that people can contribute to
09:19:44 <fhenning> Jeanne: the intent is to come up with a summary on social media use by governments. what are the reasons why governments use social media? wha are the tools? what are the outcomes?
09:20:24 <HadleyBeeman> Sounds like a great approach… especially the metrics.  Useful to identify and share.
09:21:41 <fhenning> Jeanne: each monthly meeting will provide new feedback, and over time the book should provide a substantive deliverable of the group
09:21:42 <Jeanne> Any thoughts about this as a process to move forward?
09:22:27 <fhenning> Jeanne: the questions will also be asked on the listserve and in the linkedin group, for later contributions
09:22:51 <fhenning> topic: directoty project
09:23:05 <fhenning> s/directoty/directory
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09:23:57 <fhenning> Jeanne: crucial question will be how to maintain the planned directory
09:24:14 <fhenning> Jeanne: contributions to this point can also be made on the listserv
09:24:25 <fhenning> topic: open dat as new focus
09:25:06 <fhenning> Jeanne: call will be made for people as speakers at the next meetings, to present about open data. participants should announce their interest
09:25:09 <HadleyBeeman> I'm happy to speak/help with open data
09:25:19 <Jeanne> Thanks Hadley!
09:25:39 <fhenning> Brand: is curently constructing a framwork about open data use for development
09:26:20 <Jeanne> Brand, would be interested in working on a presentation on inventory of the data tables with good metadata and collection methodology
09:26:37 <agipap> I will be happy too, to present publicspending.gr, Greek Public Spending Decisions as Open Data (sorry my ISP is messing up)
09:27:17 <fhenning> Jeanne: opens up the discussion for general comments
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09:28:41 <fhenning> HadleyBeeman: should there be an egov interest group presentation at Brazil meeting?
09:29:21 <Jeanne> It's actually for the TPAC meeting occurring in Lyons this week.
09:30:20 <fhenning> sorry the sound quality here is bad, it's very difficult to understand properly
09:31:13 <HadleyBeeman> Fun! WWW is a good conference.  I did an open data tutorial there last year.
09:31:24 <thschee> Probably open data policy development is an interesting topic. Lots of city govs are rushing to set up data portals but might end up not being used at all. Less focus on policy development but more on technical standards at this moment: e.g. hk, sg, kr, jp, tw, id...
09:31:27 <fhenning> Jeanne: organisers of may brazil conference wold be interested in an egov workshop there
09:31:33 <Jeanne> http://www2013.org/ is the call for papers for 2013 Brazil
09:33:19 <thschee> thanks for everyone
09:33:46 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
09:33:51 <Jeanne> Thank you everyone.
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09:33:58 <Zakim> - +44.786.783.aacc
09:34:09 <Jeanne> Thanks to TH Schee for the presentation, and to Florian and Rilwan for their support today.
09:34:18 <Zakim> -agipap
09:34:38 <Pdm> Thanks @Jeanne too
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09:52:00 <Brand> Working on this: http://semanticommunity.info/Build_SEMIC.EU_in_the_Cloud/SEMIC_2012_Conference#Story
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