IRC log of wai-wcag on 2012-10-25
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/25-wai-wcag-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
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- Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 25 October 2012
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012OctDec/0045.html
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- +[Microsoft]
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- regrets: Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Moe_Kraft
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- +Robin_Tuttle
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- +Judy
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- +??P5
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- zakim, Microsoft is Cherie_Eckholm
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- +Cherie_Eckholm; got it
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- + +1.650.253.aaaa
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- zakim, aaaa is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- +Marc_Johlic
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is adam_solomon
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- +adam_solomon; got it
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- +Kathy
- 20:10:38 [greggvanderheiden]
- TOPIC: LC-2612 : H80 not accessibility support
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- 20:12:23 [greggvanderheiden]
- RESOLUTION: Accept proposed response as amended
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- TOPIC: LC-2626 : For longer time-outs, would not a control that removes automatic refresh meet the SC?
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
- 20:15:53 [greggvanderheiden]
- RESOLUTION: Accept proposed response.
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- TOPIC:LC-2717 : WCAG 2.0 - 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks
- 20:17:22 [greggvanderheiden]
- RESOLUTION: Leave this open -- needs more thought - based on comments in meeting and survey
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- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20121025misc/results
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- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT Success Criterion 2.4.2 (Page Titled)
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- RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed
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- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT Success Criterion 4.1.1 (Parsing)
- 20:22:08 [greggvanderheiden]
- RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed - with format abbreviations (e.g. ODF, OOXML etc.) spelled out.
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- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT definition of Non-embedded content
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- -adam_solomon
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- +[Oracle]
- 20:37:38 [greggvanderheiden]
- https://www.dropbox.com/s/adjctx6b1f5qmvy/WCAG2ICT.xlsx
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- Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
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- +Peter_Korn; got it
- 20:38:54 [greggvanderheiden]
- https://www.dropbox.com/s/adjctx6b1f5qmvy/WCAG2ICT.xlsx
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- q+
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- q-
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- q+
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- q?
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack j
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack k
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- Note 2: This success criterion covers sections within writing, not user interface components. User Interface components are covered under Success Criterion 4.1.2.
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- q+
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- ack g
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack j
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- ack k
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- q+
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- q+
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- q+
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- ack l
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- -Robin_Tuttle
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- ack g
- 21:04:49 [korn]
- Some options:
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- 1. Replace "content" with "Non-web content & software" most places it is mentioned, but with "Non-web content" ONLY in some (e.g. 2.4.1)?
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- 2. Define "content" as "Non-web content & software", and then be special with a few places stating that "content" is different for this one(e.g. 2.4.1)?
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- 3. Define "content" as "Non-web content & software", and then say a few (e.g. 2.4.1) don't apply to software? (or "is automatically met by software")?
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- ack k
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- q+
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- q+
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- q+ to note where we are timeline-wise
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- q+
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- ack g
- 21:10:05 [greggvanderheiden]
- ack j
- 21:10:05 [Zakim]
- Judy, you wanted to note where we are timeline-wise
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- JB reminder: (work statement, out of scope: "Determining whether or not WCAG 2.0 or any of its provisions should be applied to non-web content")
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- ack j
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- ack k
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- ack
- 21:13:22 [greggvanderheiden]
- RESOLUTION: See if WCAG2ICT tf can use something besides Non-embedded and NWNE that is more generic like non-web content and software - with specific notes on specific success criterion.
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- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT note for "ambiguous to users in general"
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- RECOMMENDATION: Accepted with provision that "non-embedded content" be repaired as discussed above
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- +1
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- I can stay
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- +1 to continue
- 21:20:41 [greggvanderheiden]
- RESOLUTION: Accepted with provision that "non-embedded content" be repaired as discussed above.
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- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT note for "contrast ratio"
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- q+
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- RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed
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- q-
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- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT note for "keyboard interface"
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- -Judy
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- q+
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- q-
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- ack k
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- +Judy
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- +Robin_Tuttle
- 21:39:23 [Loretta]
- Personal comment: I would find it valuable to see a document containing issues uncovered by the task force in applying WCAG to non-web content and software, for consideration by policy makers.
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/#glossary
- 21:40:18 [greggvanderheiden]
- Keyboard interfaces are programmatic services provided by many platforms that allow operation in a device independent manner
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- RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed and Task force may add the following to sentence to notes if they decide: "Keyboard interfaces are programmatic services provided by many platforms that allow operation in a device independent manner."
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- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT note for "label"
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- RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed
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- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT note for "name"
- 21:44:53 [greggvanderheiden]
- RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed changing "however it is called in different APIs" to "whatever that function is called in different platform APIs" and suggesting that examples be added of the Accessible Name corollaries in each of the known AAPIs at this time along with the AAPI.
- 21:45:05 [greggvanderheiden]
- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT note for "relative luminance"
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- RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed
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- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT note for "role"
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- +1
- 21:46:51 [greggvanderheiden]
- : RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed changing "however it is called in different APIs" to "whatever that function is called in different platform APIs" and suggesting that examples be added of the Accessible Role corollaries in each of the known AAPIs at this time along with the AAPI.
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- q+
- 21:47:02 [greggvanderheiden]
- RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed changing "however it is called in different APIs" to "whatever that function is called in different platform APIs" and suggesting that examples be added of the Accessible Role corollaries in each of the known AAPIs at this time along with the AAPI.
- 21:47:18 [greggvanderheiden]
- TOPIC: Approval of WCAG2ICT note for "supplemental content"
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- RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed
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- TOPIC: Changes to SC 3.2.3 Sufficient Techniques
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack
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- q?
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- ack korn
- 21:49:29 [MichaelC]
- q+ to say the two techniques have already been moved to advisory, don´t remember the history of why but that part of this item should be set
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- q-
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/consistent-behavior-consistent-locations.html
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/G61
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- q+
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- Question regarding the word "control" in the first example of http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/consistent-behavior-consistent-locations.html
- 21:56:49 [greggvanderheiden]
- RESOLUTION: PDFs already moved in latest editors draft to advisory. G61 is sufficient but does go further than required as many techniques do.
- 21:57:09 [greggvanderheiden]
- Since G61is the only sufficient technique -- the Working Group would entertain a more narrow one if someone write one.
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- ack g
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- ack k
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- ack j
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- -Judy
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -[Oracle]
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- -Kathy
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Marc_Johlic
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- -Cherie_Eckholm
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- -Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- -Robin_Tuttle
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Gregg_Vanderheiden, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Robin_Tuttle, Judy, Michael_Cooper, Cherie_Eckholm, +1.650.253.aaaa, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Marc_Johlic,
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- ... adam_solomon, Kathy, Peter_Korn, Bruce_Bailey
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- chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/25-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC