17:01:37 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 17:01:37 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/25-tagmem-irc 17:01:39 RRSAgent, make logs public 17:01:39 Zakim has joined #tagmem 17:01:41 Zakim, this will be TAG 17:01:41 ok, trackbot; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start now 17:01:42 Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference 17:01:42 Date: 25 October 2012 17:02:08 ht has joined #tagmem 17:02:11 TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has now started 17:02:17 +[IPcaller] 17:02:46 +Ashok_Malhotra 17:04:36 +??P6 17:04:45 zakim, ? is me 17:04:45 +ht; got it 17:04:58 ScribeNick: ht 17:05:02 Scribe: Henry S. Thompson 17:05:09 Call: TAG telcon 17:05:14 Chair: Noah Mendelsohn 17:05:15 +Yves 17:05:33 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/25-agenda.html 17:05:33 +??P9 17:06:51 OK, ready 17:07:03 Topic: Convene/Admin 17:07:12 zakim, who is on the call? 17:07:12 On the phone I see JeniT, Ashok_Malhotra, ht, Yves, ??P9 17:08:11 NM: No call next week, 2012-10-01 17:08:25 NM: Next call will be 2012-10-08 17:08:43 [NM, please update agenda to show correct dates] 17:09:04 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/18-minutes 17:09:21 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/07-agenda 17:09:30 NM: RESOLUTION: approved http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/18-minutes as minutes for 2012-10-18 call 17:09:34 zakim, who is here? 17:09:34 On the phone I see JeniT, Ashok_Malhotra, ht, Yves, Noah 17:09:35 On IRC I see ht, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, JeniT, noahm, noah, timbl, plinss, Yves, trackbot 17:10:06 NM: Can we publish 2012-10-07 f2f minutes? 17:10:28 YL: I think we should wait 17:10:36 HST: I agree -- JAR needs to update 17:11:01 NM: HST, please chase JAR 17:11:04 HST: will do 17:11:38 NM: Once that is done, I presume we can go ahead and publish 17:12:00 NM: Two new drafts are out? 17:12:03 +TimBL 17:12:15 YL: FragIDs is out, Pub and Link should go out today 17:12:59 NM: FragIDs is a Last Call 17:13:04 Both are Last Call Working Draft 17:13:10 YL: Pub and Link will be Last Call as well 17:13:30 Topic: TPAC 17:14:16 NM: Product Page index and individual pages should be correct, so that we can point to that/them at TPAC w/o embarrassment 17:14:43 AM: Waiting for P&L to be published, will do update then, pbly tomorrow 17:15:03 NM: Don't forget the index page 17:15:08 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/ 17:15:55 NM: Index should be consistent with page itself 17:16:19 JT: RB won't be updating the Privacy page. . . 17:16:26 AM: PL was going to look at it 17:16:29 zakim, who is here? 17:16:29 On the phone I see JeniT, Ashok_Malhotra, ht, Yves, Noah, TimBL 17:16:30 On IRC I see ht, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ashok, JeniT, noahm, noah, timbl, plinss, Yves, trackbot 17:16:57 NM: Can anyone to a quick fix on that? 17:17:12 JT: I'll do something when I do the FragIDs page 17:17:25 Discuss any preparation needed for TPAC 17:17:25 AB syncup? 17:17:25 Publishing and linking last call (next item)? 17:17:25 Election procedures 17:17:25 Other? 17:17:27 HST will check on persistence and URIs 17:17:42 NM: HST is taking the lead wrt presentation planning 17:18:09 HT: I have done nothing, because waiting for meeting on Monday with Larry, Peter Ashok 17:18:50 JT: Do you want 3 slides from me? 17:19:03 HST: We'll give you some input 17:19:04 HT: Yes, great, we may give you some "anticipatory feedback" 17:19:26 NM: There will be a lunch with the AB, people have signed up 17:19:36 AM: Anything specific you (NM) want brought up? 17:20:04 NM: No -- anyone else? 17:20:13 NM: Election procedures? 17:20:28 AM: Got the feeling that the AB don't want to talk about it much 17:20:47 NM: If we pushed hard, they might do something 17:21:18 NM: How hard should we push Single Transferable Vote 17:21:33 HT: Let's start by getting a sense of where a broader cross-section of the AB is on this. 17:21:53 HT: Might be worth pursuing, depending on how others feel. 17:22:22 NM: Anything to add to the agenda? 17:22:33 Topic: Pending Review items 17:22:37 [None] 17:23:38 NM: Once we move the two pubs out the door for real, we need to have some other topics to get working on. . . 17:23:41 ACTION-617? 17:23:41 ACTION-617 -- Yves Lafon to work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track -- due 2012-10-23 -- OPEN 17:23:41 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/617 17:23:49 Topic: Overdue Action items 17:24:03 YL: Hope to resolve after TPAC 17:24:12 ACTION-617 Due 2012-11-08 17:24:12 ACTION-617 Work with Noah to take http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-namespaceState-20060329/ off the Rec track due date now 2012-11-08 17:24:28 YL: SotD review? 17:24:35 NM: Send it to everyone 17:24:38 ACTION-748? 17:24:38 ACTION-748 -- Ashok Malhotra to prepare draft of Publishing and Linking by Oct 15 -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN 17:24:38 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/748 17:25:04 close ACTION-748 17:25:04 ACTION-748 prepare draft of Publishing and Linking by Oct 15 closed 17:25:08 NM: Close this and replace with "respond to LC feedback"? 17:25:39 AM: Closing date? 17:25:49 YL: 2012-12-13 17:26:05 NM: So we'll try to have responses ready before the f2f 17:26:16 ACTION: Ashok to prepare response to last call feedback on Publishing and Linking - Due 2013-01-07 17:26:16 Created ACTION-763 - prepare response to last call feedback on Publishing and Linking [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2013-01-07]. 17:26:39 AM: So we need to ask people to review this, specifically 17:26:52 ... JAR and LM to make suggestions 17:27:06 NM: Need an action? 17:27:13 AM: Yes, OK 17:27:33 ACTION: Ashok to arrange for expert review of Publishing and Linking last call draft - Due 2012-11-08 17:27:33 Created ACTION-764 - arrange for expert review of Publishing and Linking last call draft [on Ashok Malhotra - due 2012-11-08]. 17:28:20 ACTION-718? 17:28:20 ACTION-718 -- Ashok Malhotra to propose goals and success critera for TAG work on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. -- due 2012-10-10 -- OPEN 17:28:20 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/718 17:28:47 AM: Regrets for 8 November 17:29:10 AM: Regrets for 11/8 17:29:24 ACTION-718 Due 2012-11-13 17:29:24 ACTION-718 Propose goals and success critera for TAG work on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. due date now 2012-11-13 17:29:44 ACTION-724? 17:29:44 ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN 17:29:44 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724 17:29:49 ACTION-724? 17:29:50 ACTION-724 -- Henry Thompson to investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN 17:29:50 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724 17:30:06 HT: Talked last time 17:30:18 ACTION-724 Due 2012-11-06 17:30:18 ACTION-724 investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points due date now 2012-11-06 17:30:27 ACTION-23? 17:30:27 ACTION-23 -- Henry Thompson to track progress of #int bug 1974 in the XML Schema namespace document in the XML Schema WG -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN 17:30:27 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/23 17:30:59 That was opened 2007...at least we're persistent 17:31:10 HT: There's actually been recent discussion 17:31:20 ACTION-23 Due 2012-11-06 17:31:20 ACTION-23 track progress of #int bug 1974 in the XML Schema namespace document in the XML Schema WG due date now 2012-11-06 17:31:32 ACTION-560? 17:31:32 ACTION-560 -- Henry Thompson to review HTML polyglot last call -- due 2012-10-05 -- OPEN 17:31:32 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560 17:32:10 HT: I did my actions long ago, should have been pending. Sent personal comments in. Some things got changed. Some got taken to core and some good things came of that. 17:32:15 HT: So, overtaken. 17:32:22 close ACTION-560 17:32:22 ACTION-560 Review HTML polyglot last call closed 17:32:23 s/core/XML Core/ 17:32:31 ACTION-742? 17:32:31 ACTION-742 -- Henry Thompson to excavate a statement on the TAG voting issue from email/minutes that we can consider as a basis for email to the AB -- due 2012-10-04 -- OPEN 17:32:31 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/742 17:32:40 close ACTION-742 17:32:40 ACTION-742 Excavate a statement on the TAG voting issue from email/minutes that we can consider as a basis for email to the AB closed 17:32:56 ACTION-672? 17:32:57 ACTION-672 -- Jeni Tennison to work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html -- due 2012-05-29 -- OPEN 17:32:57 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/672 17:33:27 JT: Needs discussion -- I reached out to PLH and Mike Smith 17:33:39 ... got no response 17:33:56 JT: There is the new Web Platform initiative, right? 17:34:25 YL: Not at w3.org, but like a Wiki, can be editted 17:34:32 http://www.webplatform.org/ 17:34:38 JT: Does it have a list of all the HTML extensions under discussion 17:34:51 q+ to say "WHOA" 17:35:14 ack next 17:35:15 ht, you wanted to say "WHOA" 17:35:18 JT: Because if it does, all we have to do is include a pointer to that page in the media type registration for text/html 17:36:11 HT: I'd be surprised if IETF would accept a media type registration that pointed to a community-editable page 17:36:39 Jeni, regarding privacy update to product page, check out ACTION-716 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/716 17:36:46 ... it's not as simple as having a pointer to that page 17:37:14 JT: On the other hand, there is the pressure within IETF towards lighter touch wrt registries 17:37:31 NM: Reviewed vs. unreviewed? 17:37:38 JT: There is IETF pressure to move toward more wiki-like registration 17:37:53 HST: I wasn't aware of a two-phase story 17:38:29 JT: More the idea that if you want to encourage people to register things, a lighter-weight process is needed 17:39:01 NM: So something as important as, say, image/jpg, would have to be able to move from just proposed to seriously endorsed 17:39:19 JT: There will be some kind of status field . . . 17:39:28 [reverse previous two lines] 17:39:39 JT: Push it back 17:39:54 ACTION-672 Due 2012-11-06 17:39:54 ACTION-672 Work with PLH to create W3C-sponsored registry of HTML extensions, and get that referenced from HTML media type registration, per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Jan/0048.html due date now 2012-11-06 17:40:03 JT: Two/three weeks -- I can try to make some progress at TPAC 17:40:22 ACTION-741? 17:40:23 ACTION-741 -- Noah Mendelsohn to check with Norm Walsh on closing out HTML/XML unification work -- due 2012-10-04 -- OPEN 17:40:23 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/741 17:40:35 ACTION-741 Due 2012-11-06 17:40:35 ACTION-741 Check with Norm Walsh on closing out HTML/XML unification work due date now 2012-11-06 17:40:45 ACTION-716? 17:40:45 ACTION-716 -- Noah Mendelsohn to update privacy product page to indicate a) possible handoff to other group b) liaison with IAB & IETF privacy interest group c) goal to initiate larger activity in privacy - Due: 2012-07-31 -- due 2012-06-19 -- OPEN 17:40:45 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/716 17:41:21 NM: JT, you had said you might update the PP index -- this action is the relevant basis 17:41:39 JT: This looks like Privacy as a whole, not the 'old' API minimization 17:41:49 ACTION-762? 17:41:49 ACTION-762 -- Peter Linss to prepare for review a draft of a TAG Note focusing on the minimization message in the privacy finding. PL to check w/Robin and Dan first. -- due 2013-11-27 -- OPEN 17:41:49 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/762 17:42:17 JT: That due date looks wrong 17:43:01 ACTION-762? 17:43:01 ACTION-762 -- Peter Linss to prepare for review a draft of a TAG Note focusing on the minimization message in the privacy finding. PL to check w/Robin and Dan first. -- due 2012-11-27 -- OPEN 17:43:01 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/762 17:43:35 ACTION-716 Due 2013-01-06 17:43:35 ACTION-716 Update privacy product page to indicate a) possible handoff to other group b) liaison with IAB & IETF privacy interest group c) goal to initiate larger activity in privacy - Due: 2012-07-31 due date now 2013-01-06 17:43:44 action-760? 17:43:44 ACTION-760 -- Noah Mendelsohn to send Steve Zilles note saying Henry, Larry, Peter, Ashok, Tim and Jeni (Wed) could meet with AB -- due 2012-10-16 -- OPEN 17:43:44 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/760 17:43:52 close ACTION-760 17:43:52 ACTION-760 Send Steve Zilles note saying Henry, Larry, Peter, Ashok, Tim and Jeni (Wed) could meet with AB closed 17:44:07 ACTION-743? 17:44:07 ACTION-743 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of issues report to Jeff Jaffe, see ACTION-563 -- due 2012-10-04 -- OPEN 17:44:07 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/743 17:44:43 NM: This needs to be retargetted at the Jan f2f 17:44:54 ACTION-743? 17:44:54 ACTION-743 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule F2F discussion of issues report to Jeff Jaffe, see ACTION-563 -- due 2012-10-04 -- PENDINGREVIEW 17:44:54 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/743 17:45:42 ACTION-692? 17:45:42 ACTION-692 -- Noah Mendelsohn to consider JAR's april request to discuss, for 10 mins, issues list at oct f2f -- due 2012-09-10 -- OPEN 17:45:42 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/692 17:46:28 NM: I view the old traditional issues list as a historical record of open issues of architectural significance 17:46:43 ... whereas the product page records our current priorities 17:46:48 ACTION-692? 17:46:48 ACTION-692 -- Noah Mendelsohn to consider JAR's april request to discuss, for 10 mins, issues list at oct f2f -- due 2012-09-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW 17:46:48 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/692 17:47:04 NM: If they aren't converging, we have a potential problem 17:47:20 NM: So I will bring this back for consideration 17:47:45 Topic: TPAC 17:47:56 I have reserved rooms for Monday morning and Friday afternoon 17:48:10 q+ to make a suggestion 17:48:20 ack next 17:48:21 ht, you wanted to make a suggestion 17:48:24 q+ 17:49:13 HT: I will be at WG meeting that morning (presume Monday). Peter too, I suspect. Suggest we duck out of our WGs late morning ahead of lunch. 17:49:45 HT: Sounds like Ashok and Larry are not in WGs. Perhaps you should meet up with Tim Monday morning? 17:50:02 TBL: There's WebID and RDF (scribe infers Tim wants to go to those) 17:50:10 TBL: Could do breakfast 17:50:23 AM: When is WebID 17:50:28 TBL: Mon/Tue 17:50:36 ... Same time as RDF WG 17:50:47 ... 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