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13:49:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3825
13:49:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
13:49:10 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
13:49:10 <trackbot> Date: 25 October 2012
13:49:24 <shadi> zakim, this evaltf
13:49:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this evaltf', shadi
13:49:30 <shadi> zakim, this is evaltf
13:49:30 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not see a conference named 'evaltf' in progress or scheduled at this time
13:49:37 <shadi> zakim, this is eval
13:49:37 <Zakim> shadi, I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be eval".
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13:52:19 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has now started
13:52:26 <Zakim> + +1.978.443.aaaa
13:52:39 <Kathy> zakim, aaaa is me
13:52:39 <Zakim> +Kathy; got it
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13:59:48 <Zakim> + +49.404.318.aacc
14:00:02 <Detlev> zakim, aacc is Detlev
14:00:03 <Zakim> +Detlev; got it
14:00:28 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aadd
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14:01:17 <Liz> zakim, aadd is Liz
14:01:18 <Zakim> +Liz; got it
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14:01:28 <Zakim> + +1.517.353.aaee
14:02:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:02:28 <vivienne> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
14:02:28 <Zakim> +vivienne; got it
14:02:31 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:02:42 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kathy, +31.30.239.aabb, Detlev, Liz, +1.517.353.aaee, [IPcaller], vivienne, Shadi
14:02:50 <Zakim> + +31.30.239.aaff
14:02:59 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, aaff is me
14:02:59 <Zakim> +MartijnHoutepen; got it
14:03:30 <richard> zakim, ?? ipcaller is richard
14:03:30 <Zakim> I don't understand '?? ipcaller is richard', richard
14:03:47 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, mute me
14:03:47 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
14:03:49 <vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:03:49 <Zakim> vivienne should now be muted
14:03:56 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
14:03:56 <Zakim> Kathy should now be muted
14:03:58 <Detlev> zakim, mute me
14:03:58 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:04:16 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
14:04:25 <richard> zakim, ??IPcaller is richard
14:04:26 <shadi> regrets: Aurelien, Tim, Alistair
14:04:27 <Zakim> sorry, richard, I do not recognize a party named '??IPcaller'
14:04:59 <MartijnHoutepen> yes
14:05:07 <shadi> scribe: MartijnHoutepen
14:05:11 <shadi> agenda?
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14:05:30 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2012Oct/0063.html
14:05:47 <MartijnHoutepen> topic: closing the comments for public working draft
14:05:59 <shadi> Topic: Closing of the comments for the PWD
14:06:02 <shadi> agenda+ Survey about sampling
14:06:13 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: a few people asked for a delay, we will still recieve more
14:06:15 <shadi> agenda+ TPAC preparations and discussion
14:06:19 <shadi> zakim, mute ne
14:06:19 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ne
14:06:24 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:06:24 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:06:29 <Kathy> I will need a bit more time to fill out the survey as well
14:06:36 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: we will put it in a disposition of comments
14:07:03 <shadi> q+
14:07:07 <shadi> ack me
14:07:07 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: early next week the DoC is probably online, we will discuss some comments in Lyon
14:07:23 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: When do you expect the comments
14:07:28 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
14:08:00 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, mute me
14:08:01 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
14:08:02 <vivienne> it could be a work in progress
14:08:11 <vivienne> I'd be happy with that
14:08:12 <MartijnHoutepen> MH: friday, or maybe monday
14:08:33 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: Do we want a live document?
14:08:49 <Detlev> sounds good, live doc
14:09:18 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: comments sorted by subject, so a live document will be updated in various places
14:09:53 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: if there are comments that come up during TPAC we can link to that
14:10:09 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: Lets put online what MH finishes friday
14:10:28 <vivienne> yeah right...
14:10:29 <Ryladog> +1
14:10:33 <Detlev> agree
14:10:45 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
14:10:57 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, mute me
14:10:57 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
14:11:23 <MartijnHoutepen> MH: will send a version to SAZ and EV friday
14:11:30 <shadi> zakim, mute me
14:11:30 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
14:11:38 <MartijnHoutepen> EV will link comments to discussion
14:11:55 <MartijnHoutepen> Topic: survey on sampling
14:11:59 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:11:59 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Survey about sampling" taken up [from shadi]
14:12:39 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: we have a survey online, already 21 responses
14:13:03 <shadi> ack me
14:13:18 <Kathy> ack me
14:13:24 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: Kathy added an option to fill in which group they are from
14:13:43 <MartijnHoutepen> KW: added affiliation
14:13:44 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
14:13:44 <Zakim> Kathy should now be muted
14:14:10 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: We can look at the results at TPAC
14:14:56 <Kathy> ack me
14:15:07 <Kathy> zakim, mute me
14:15:07 <Zakim> Kathy should now be muted
14:15:10 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, take up next
14:15:10 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC preparations and discussion" taken up [from shadi]
14:15:15 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/f2f_TPAC
14:15:24 <Ryladog> I will contribute to chocolates in Lyon
14:15:55 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: two days, first day discussion evaltf, second day together with eowg
14:16:53 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: Agenda TPAC is online
14:17:12 <Ryladog> q+
14:17:17 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: We have an option to participate through teleconference
14:17:28 <ericvelleman> q?
14:17:33 <shadi> q+
14:17:43 <shadi> ack ryladog
14:18:21 <MartijnHoutepen> KH-S: a bridge open all day is very valuable
14:18:45 <shadi> ack me
14:18:50 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: will do that, for people that don't have all day, we'll do a wrap up
14:20:09 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: 1 hour less time-difference next week, let us know when and if you plan to attend by phone
14:20:34 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: there will be a de-briefing after TPAC
14:21:12 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2012Oct/0068.html
14:21:36 <ericvelleman> q?
14:21:52 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: lets go over TPAC agenda
14:21:56 <vivienne> q+
14:22:27 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/f2f_TPAC
14:22:59 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/f2f_TPAC#agenda
14:23:50 <shadi> regrets+ Sarah
14:23:59 <shadi> regrets+ Moe
14:26:12 <ericvelleman> q?
14:26:55 <vivienne> ack me
14:27:05 <vivienne> ack me
14:27:07 <Mike_Elledge> q+
14:27:17 <vivienne> zakim, unmute me
14:27:17 <Zakim> vivienne was not muted, vivienne
14:27:36 <vivienne> it won't listen to me!
14:27:47 <MartijnHoutepen> ME: will there be a wrap up tuesday?
14:27:57 <vivienne> I wanted to know if we should bring anythng with us?
14:28:01 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: yes, the last half hour of the day
14:28:41 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/#useful
14:28:45 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: bring your own laptop, most of our things are online
14:29:56 <MartijnHoutepen> ME: will probably be listening in to wrap up
14:30:50 <MartijnHoutepen> KHS: Will we use our irc channel?
14:30:52 <Detlev> q+
14:30:55 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: yes
14:30:56 <Detlev> ack me
14:31:03 <shadi> q- Mike_Elledge
14:31:44 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: agenda point "improving coverage webapplication"; will this include a discussion on how to sample processes?
14:31:59 <shadi> q+
14:32:16 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: it is based on the discussion on the list, so probably it will be part of this discussion
14:32:39 <shadi> ack me
14:33:32 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: topic may be broader then sampling only, but sampling processes and functionalities will be part of it
14:34:59 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/track/issues/open
14:36:04 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
14:36:04 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:36:23 <ericvelleman> q?
14:36:28 <Mike_Elledge> q+
14:36:31 <vivienne> I'm okay with the agenda
14:37:24 <shadi> q+
14:37:28 <shadi> q- mike
14:37:53 <MartijnHoutepen> ME: on monday session1: Will this include results on sampling and new sampling method?
14:37:59 <shadi> ack me
14:38:20 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: yes and no, prelimanary discussion on results
14:38:39 <MartijnHoutepen> EV/SAZ: Switch topics of session 1 and 2 on monday
14:38:52 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, take up next
14:38:52 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, MartijnHoutepen
14:39:02 <MartijnHoutepen> topic: other issues?
14:39:16 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: keep refreshing the TPAC agenda page
14:39:33 <MartijnHoutepen> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/f2f_TPAC
14:40:38 <Mike_Elledge> Bye! And thanks...
14:40:42 <Liz>  bye
14:40:42 <Zakim> -Detlev
14:40:43 <Kathy> bye
14:40:44 <vivienne> see you soon
14:40:44 <Zakim> - +1.517.353.aaee
14:40:46 <vivienne> vivienne has left #eval
14:40:47 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
14:40:48 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: closing early, see you in Lyon or via telco or in 2 weeks at our next telco
14:40:49 <Zakim> -Kathy
14:40:50 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
14:40:52 <Zakim> -vivienne
14:40:54 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:40:56 <Zakim> - +31.30.239.aabb
14:40:56 <Zakim> -MartijnHoutepen
14:40:57 <richard> bye
14:40:59 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:40:59 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:40:59 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.978.443.aaaa, Kathy, +31.30.239.aabb, +49.404.318.aacc, Detlev, +1.301.975.aadd, Liz, +1.517.353.aaee, [IPcaller], vivienne, Shadi,
14:41:02 <Zakim> ... +31.30.239.aaff, MartijnHoutepen, Katie_Haritos-Shea
14:41:03 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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14:41:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:41:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/25-eval-minutes.html trackbot
14:41:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:41:08 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
14:41:08 <Zakim> -Liz
14:41:09 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has ended
14:41:09 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.978.443.aaaa, Kathy, +31.30.239.aabb, +49.404.318.aacc, Detlev, +1.301.975.aadd, Liz, +1.517.353.aaee, [IPcaller], vivienne, Shadi, +31.30.239.aaff,
14:41:09 <Zakim> ... MartijnHoutepen, Katie_Haritos-Shea