14:58:08 RRSAgent has joined #mlw-lt 14:58:08 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-irc 14:58:10 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:58:10 Zakim has joined #mlw-lt 14:58:12 Zakim, this will be 14:58:12 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 14:58:13 Meeting: MultilingualWeb-LT Working Group Teleconference 14:58:13 Date: 22 October 2012 14:58:28 chair: daveL 14:58:36 scribe: dF 14:59:42 omstefanov has joined #mlw-lt 15:00:10 giuseppe has joined #mlw-lt 15:01:14 leroy has joined #mlw-lt 15:01:23 zakim, who's here ? 15:01:23 sorry, daveL, I don't know what conference this is 15:01:24 On IRC I see leroy, giuseppe, omstefanov, Zakim, RRSAgent, shaunm, Yves_, dF, daveL, trackbot 15:01:40 rollcall 15:02:04 DomJones has joined #mlw-lt 15:02:17 zakim, who's here ? 15:02:17 sorry, daveL, I don't know what conference this is 15:02:18 On IRC I see DomJones, leroy, giuseppe, omstefanov, Zakim, RRSAgent, shaunm, Yves_, dF, daveL, trackbot 15:02:30 Jirka has joined #mlw-lt 15:03:34 daveL: also Naoto, Jirka and Tadej 15:03:57 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0248.html 15:04:29 Ankit has joined #mlw-lt 15:04:41 topic: 1) Work schedule update 15:05:05 dF has joined #mlw-lt 15:05:17 Topic: schedule update 15:05:34 documentation pubcation: http://tinyurl.com/8bfujeo 15:05:36 next publication date was planned for tomorrow 15:05:52 we aim now to have it for TPAC Lyon 15:06:32 Milan has joined #mlw-lt 15:06:38 daveL: reviewing changes to draft for publication 15:07:11 tadej has joined #mlw-lt 15:07:24 changes mainly in provenance, we have now nice looking examples 15:07:40 daveL; makes a call for consenus 15:07:47 no objections 15:07:59 topic; 1.2) Test suite timeplan 15:08:13 daveL: the draft will be published tomorrow week 15:08:16 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0236.html 15:08:25 Topic: test suite time plan 15:09:08 In Prague, we started collecting individual commitments to test features on categories 15:09:30 daveL: we will need tests for its:param 15:09:55 .. as soon as tools reference is completed, we will need tests for that 15:10:17 .. need volunteers to review the testsuite 15:10:33 .. we need to have some tests completed by Dec 15 15:10:44 .. to see how it goes before Xmas 15:11:06 .. we have two levels of implmentations 1) for conformance 15:11:32 2) use case scenarios for broader audience 15:12:04 omstefanov: what do we do with ruby, where there are no test commitments 15:12:51 dF: is there some confusion there - old cateroeis will not be dropped 15:13:27 daveL: the new ones will be dropped if not implemented 15:13:33 .. but not the old 15:14:03 .. but we still need to break it down for html, xml, local, and global 15:14:58 omstefanov: what will happen with provenance, disambiguation etc. 15:15:18 DomJones: we will have another go, before we drop any categories 15:15:34 .. we will review next week 15:16:01 Topic: 1.3) Update from XLIFF meeting and FEISGILTT 15:16:03 daveL: poeple might be holding back on issues that are not quite complete yet 15:16:20 Topic: XLIFF meeting and ITS in XLIFF 15:16:35 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/XLIFF_Mapping 15:16:42 daveL: report from Redmond and FEISGILTT 15:16:52 .. generally good progress 15:17:13 .. posted link to the mapping in progress 15:17:49 .. XLIFF usage of ITS resembles local markup but has not quite the same inheritance etc. 15:18:02 .. the goal is to finalize by mid Dec 15:18:24 Yves_: no need to add anything, good report.. 15:18:44 daveL: who else would like to help with the mapping? 15:19:04 Milan: I am interested 15:19:22 .. we discussed some with David (dF) 15:19:47 daveL: if you want to put your name against some 15:21:15 .. discussing the XLIFF mapping call timing for Friday 15:21:41 .. agreed 4pm Irish 15:22:52 Topic: 1.4) Lyon agenda 15:22:52 dF to follow up with XLIFF mapping call time 15:23:24 action: dF to follow up with XLIFF mapping call time 15:23:24 Created ACTION-252 - Follow up with XLIFF mapping call time [on David Filip - due 2012-10-29]. 15:24:01 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0233.html 15:24:12 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Agenda 15:24:23 daveL: posting link to agenda propsoed by Felix 15:24:46 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Agenda 15:25:45 dF has joined #mlw-lt 15:25:55 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Agenda 15:27:16 daveL: we need to put in some individual items 15:27:40 ..first data categories, later in the afternoon test suite 15:28:18 .. break out sessions for implmentations 15:28:30 .. is the time for breakouts enough 15:29:07 .. later an open session to discuss implementation plans brought back from break outs 15:30:06 dF: what is the timing for the HTML5 meeting(s)? 15:30:19 daveL: not sure, does not seem to be confirmed 15:31:08 daveL: adding into session 6 as a placeholder 15:31:36 action: daveL to confirm HTML5 session time(s) with Felix 15:31:36 Created ACTION-253 - Confirm HTML5 session time(s) with Felix [on David Lewis - due 2012-10-29]. 15:31:43 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LyonNov2012#Participants 15:32:28 Naoto has joined #mlw-lt 15:32:50 Fredrik has joined #mlw-lt 15:32:59 daveL: please update your participation on the agenda wiki page 15:33:34 2) Data category overview table 15:33:47 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0055.html 15:34:09 topic: 2) Data category overview table 15:34:52 scribe: tadej 15:35:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/att-0055/its-categories.html 15:36:05 daveL: sean provided the table, proposed to combine the inheritance behaviour for XML and HTML in one place 15:37:09 shaunm: considering also different columns for local vs. global attributes, but would make it unwieldy 15:37:41 daveL: something like this should be in the main body of the document, do you think it would work for that? 15:37:53 shaunm: all the information is already in the spec itself, so it's a repeat 15:38:23 dF has joined #mlw-lt 15:39:03 daveL: alternatively, the names of the data categories and names of attributes could be made more generic and format agnostic, not necessaritly in camel case (which implies XML) 15:39:52 daveL: shaun, in some of the cells you had only dashes, what do they indicate? 15:40:03 shaunm: - is for 'doesn't exist' 15:40:27 shaunm: I skipped ruby, external rule doesn't have local at all 15:41:14 ... i'll send the global/local extended table to the list 15:41:54 daveL: let's change camel case simply using spaces - "locNote" to "loc note" 15:42:59 omstefanov: I can do the conversion editing. 15:43:55 omstefanov: entityType does not have dashes, but blank 15:45:29 tadej: it looks like an old version, this was renamed to entityClassRef recently - it should be in the draft 15:45:53 3.1) Use of IRIs 15:46:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0222.html 15:47:00 daveL: we should be using IRIs instead of URLs. 15:47:23 topic; 3.2) on/off "active" attribute for quality issue 15:47:24 action: Jirka to edit usages URI to IRI 15:47:25 Created ACTION-254 - Edit usages URI to IRI [on Jirka Kosek - due 2012-10-29]. 15:47:47 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0214.html 15:48:43 topic: 3.3) Too many pointers / global rules 15:48:51 action: Yves_ to determine and correct wording for ISSUE-34 15:48:51 Sorry, couldn't find Yves_. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:49:00 action: Yves to determine and correct wording for ISSUE-34 15:49:01 Created ACTION-255 - Determine and correct wording for ISSUE-34 [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-10-29]. 15:49:29 https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/51 15:49:49 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Oct/0042.html 15:50:01 daveL: a general issue being around is that there are many pointers and global rules being used, there's a proposed solution 15:50:31 ... the solution is annotating a document in a way that a reference is static (not relative) 15:51:02 ... Yves_ suggested removing the non-*Pointer attributes and keeping the *Pointer attributes 15:52:19 Yves_: not sure what the outcome of the discussion was 15:52:38 daveL: let's skip this point for now 15:52:43 t 15:52:49 Topic: 3.4) Tool information 15:53:05 https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/42 15:53:41 daveL: there was a discussion on tool info, and people were volunteering for examples 15:54:05 Yves_: one conclusion was that URIs were sufficient to describe the tool, having additional info there 15:54:39 daveL: having an IRI pointing to something that has a schema would be one solution 15:55:30 Yves_: defining that schema got complicated, so we stopped the discussion there 15:56:19 Yves_: therefore, Felix asked data category implementors for examples, how much info is necessary to expose 15:56:37 daveL: dF, do you have an example for mtConfidence at hand? 15:57:32 dF: in the MT case, you need to know the platform and engine specifics, but engine specifics may be different across platforms 15:58:00 dF: what about if the pointer doesn't need to lead anywhere? would a URN be enough? 15:58:49 dF: for mtConfidence, the examples are already there, with the necessary attributes 15:59:45 dF: however, these were not replaced by the its-tool in the spec 16:00:25 daveL: I propose to take Yves_'s definition, add examples from existing data categories and sent it around in a word file 16:00:48 daveL: I can do that by friday 16:01:17 action: daveL to compile and circulate itsTool examples togehter with proposal text 16:01:17 Created ACTION-256 - Compile and circulate itsTool examples togehter with proposal text [on David Lewis - due 2012-10-29]. 16:01:57 RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:01:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html tadej 16:03:00 daveL: do we need a call on monday, given that we are meeting soom? 16:03:13 daveL: I propose cancelling next week's call 16:04:08 omstefanov: should I be spelling out full words: "localization note" instead of "loc note" 16:04:13 daveL: good idea 16:06:16 Jirka has left #mlw-lt 16:06:25 RRSAgent, end meeting 16:06:25 I'm logging. I don't understand 'end meeting', tadej. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:06:36 rrsagent, generate minutes 16:06:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/22-mlw-lt-minutes.html daveL 16:07:28 rrsagent, make logs public 17:06:27 Zakim has left #mlw-lt