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15:57:23 <npdoty> rrsagent, make logs public
15:57:32 <npdoty> slight delay on the call-in / Zakim slot, my apologies
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15:57:52 <npdoty> meeting: Privacy Interest Group teleconference
15:57:54 <npdoty> chair: tara
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15:58:15 <npdoty> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/2012OctDec/0022.html
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15:58:38 <rigo> zakim, code
15:58:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', rigo
15:58:41 <rigo> zakim, code?
15:58:41 <Zakim> sorry, rigo, I don't know what conference this is
15:59:37 <npdoty> Zakim, this will be 7464
15:59:37 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, npdoty
15:59:48 <JoeHallCDT> (hmmm, the phone PIN of 7464 doesn't seem to be working)
15:59:50 <Joanne> Joanne has joined #privacy
15:59:52 <tara> Hm. I am getting "this passcode is not valid."
15:59:56 <JoeHallCDT> k
16:00:02 <rigo> wait a bit
16:00:07 <christine> Regrets - Susan Israel, Karima Boudaoud, David Singer
16:00:19 <rigo> nick needs to create the conference, because it seems there was some hickup
16:00:34 <npdoty> Regrets: SusanIsrael, KarimaBoudaoud, DavidSinger
16:00:39 <tara> Okay; we'll hold tight. Thanks.
16:00:52 <rigo> look here for message from nick
16:01:20 <tara> In the meatntime, any volunteers to scribe?
16:01:58 <bblfish> bblfish has joined #privacy
16:02:09 <JoeHallCDT> I would volunteer but this is only my 2nd w3c call, so not sure I know how to do it or do it well
16:02:09 <bblfish> hello
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16:02:14 <bblfish> what is the code toay?
16:02:36 <bblfish> 7464 as code does not seem to work
16:02:47 <jtrentadams> Apologies for bursting in... but the conference code "7464" doesn't seem to work.
16:02:52 <JoeHallCDT> nick is creating a new code
16:02:55 <rigo> hold on with calls
16:02:56 <tara> We're working on it - thanks for your patience.
16:03:11 <bblfish> ok. thanks
16:03:18 <npdoty> Zakim, this will be 7464
16:03:18 <Zakim> ok, npdoty; I see Priv_IG(PING)12:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
16:03:22 <npdoty> Zakim, code?
16:03:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 7464 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), npdoty
16:03:28 <npdoty> okay, call-in should work now!
16:03:40 <Simon> Simon has joined #privacy
16:04:23 <jtrentadams> Success with 7464#
16:04:31 <jtrentadams> Thanks
16:04:44 <Simon> Hello, This is Simon Krauss (CableLabs) seeing familiar names. My dial in info isn't working. please post. Thx.
16:04:50 <JoeHallCDT> try again
16:05:20 <bblfish> ok seems to be working
16:05:38 <Joanne> I'm in
16:05:58 <MacTed> Zakim, code?
16:05:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 7464 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed
16:06:03 <npdoty> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:06:05 <Zakim> Priv_IG(PING)12:00PM has not yet started, npdoty
16:06:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Simon, jtrentadams, bblfish, Joanne, JoeHallCDT, wseltzer, christine, tara, RRSAgent, Zakim, npdoty, yrlesru, rigo, MacTed
16:06:19 <MacTed> Zakim, this is 7464
16:06:19 <Zakim> ok, MacTed; that matches Priv_IG(PING)12:00PM
16:06:28 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
16:06:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.206.910.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.817.329.aacc, [CDT], +1.508.380.aadd, ??P30, +1.613.947.aaee, +1.916.641.aaff, Ashok_Malhotra, npdoty, bblfish, Rigo
16:06:28 <npdoty> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:06:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see Simon, jtrentadams, bblfish, Joanne, JoeHallCDT, wseltzer, christine, tara, RRSAgent, Zakim, npdoty, yrlesru, rigo, MacTed
16:06:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.206.910.aaaa, [IPcaller], +1.817.329.aacc, [CDT], +1.508.380.aadd, ??P30, +1.613.947.aaee, +1.916.641.aaff, Ashok_Malhotra, npdoty, bblfish, Rigo
16:06:42 <Zakim> + +1.303.661.aagg
16:06:51 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:06:55 <Joanne> Zakim, aaff is Joanne
16:06:55 <Zakim> +Joanne; got it
16:06:56 <Simon> thanks!
16:06:57 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:06:57 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:06:57 <christine> I am either IPcaller or ??P30
16:06:58 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:06:59 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:06:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
16:07:09 <JoeHallCDT> zakim, [CDT]  is me
16:07:10 <Zakim> +JoeHallCDT; got it
16:07:32 <jtrentadams> Zakim, aadd is jtrentadams
16:07:33 <Zakim> +jtrentadams; got it
16:07:34 <tara> zakim, aaee is me
16:07:34 <Zakim> +tara; got it
16:07:48 <tara> We have a scribe?
16:08:11 <npdoty> Robin Wilton, here from the Internet Society, sitting in an OECD Paris meeting room
16:08:41 <npdoty> Zakim, aaaa is JC
16:08:41 <Zakim> +JC; got it
16:09:07 <npdoty> Stephanie, information policy PhD student, DPI
16:09:25 <christine> Hello Simon. Great to see you here.
16:09:28 <npdoty> Simon Krauss, Cable Labs, R&D for cable industry
16:09:37 <npdoty> Joe Hall, Center for Democracy and Technology
16:09:50 <npdoty> Frank Dawson, Nokia, first call but following public-privacy
16:09:53 <bblfish> Hi, it's Henry Story here ( http://bblfish.net/ ) working on http://webid.info/
16:10:28 <christine> Hello Frank and Henry. Is Fred Andrews here to (re agenda item 3)?
16:10:53 <npdoty> any additional agenda items? hearing none...
16:11:04 <npdoty> volunteers to scribe?
16:11:11 <JoeHallCDT> soon!
16:11:20 <rigo> zakim, pick a victim
16:11:20 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P30
16:11:22 <npdoty> Joe, if you want to start, I can support you
16:11:31 <JoeHallCDT> k
16:11:39 <npdoty> scribenick: JoeHallCDT
16:11:39 <christine> Thank you Joe!!!
16:12:01 <JoeHallCDT> First item, Frank Dawson on Specification of Privacy Assessment
16:12:17 <npdoty> links available from here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/2012OctDec/0023.html
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16:12:58 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:12:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/18-privacy-minutes.html ArtB
16:13:11 <JoeHallCDT> Frank's background: software industry, standards particip., staring industry consortiums, last 12 years at Nokia in Mobile… new to w3c
16:13:14 <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
16:13:37 <JoeHallCDT> Privacy officer within CTO group, responsibility for privacy standards in industry
16:13:46 <JoeHallCDT> a PbD champ!
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16:13:58 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: Privacy IG -- http://www.w3.org/wiki/Privacy -- current agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/2012OctDec/0022.html
16:14:00 <JoeHallCDT> has working on privacy by design for NFC applications
16:14:24 <JoeHallCDT> discussing: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Oct/att-0031/From_Principles_to_Technology-Nokia_Position_Paper-20120829__2_.pdf
16:14:56 <JoeHallCDT> "How can we create protocols, standards that have privacy baked in for software engineers"
16:16:04 <JoeHallCDT> this methodology is more of an Agile than Waterfall method
16:16:46 <JoeHallCDT> How might PING better work with other WGs to promote privacy.
16:16:56 <npdoty> Frank: what is the way of working we would use in working with other Working Groups?
16:16:59 <JoeHallCDT> Frank advocates for adopting a w3c specification for privacy assessment.
16:17:09 <JoeHallCDT> similar to PIAs
16:17:20 <JoeHallCDT> have a clause in specificaitons that address privacy issues
16:17:42 <JoeHallCDT> privacy assessment is somewhat standardized
16:18:34 <JoeHallCDT> Frank would expect actors, flows, concerns, privacy threats within a WG
16:18:50 <JoeHallCDT> Frank ices cakes before baking
16:19:33 <JoeHallCDT> document "Specification Privacy Assessment": http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Oct/att-0030/SpecificationPrivacyAssessment-20121008.pdf
16:19:47 <JoeHallCDT> understand where data is being collected, for what purpose
16:19:52 <JoeHallCDT> is it being stored, where?
16:20:13 <JoeHallCDT> is it personally-identifiable at the granular level or with more linkages to other resources
16:20:16 <npdoty> might be useful to diagram data flows, controllers, points where privacy might be impacted
16:20:39 <JoeHallCDT> in a network environment can help to map out flows, points of controls and where the user can insert themselves
16:21:01 <JoeHallCDT> helps to design safeguards and safeguarding reqs.
16:21:23 <JoeHallCDT> from Frank's IETF experience, there is a security consideration section to RFCs
16:21:35 <JoeHallCDT> for w3c Frank would like to see a privacy consideration section
16:21:40 <bblfish> would be interesting to have a privacy consideration section in http://webid.info/spec
16:21:59 <JoeHallCDT> would include a brief summary where there are potential threats, what privacy prinicples apply and what kinds of recs/safeguards could apply to mitigate
16:22:11 <JoeHallCDT> Questions?
16:22:13 <npdoty> threats and potential mitigations that implementers could use to address those threats
16:22:31 <rigo> q?
16:22:42 <JoeHallCDT> not sure who is speaking
16:22:55 <JoeHallCDT> Q: is there a document that I should use to build this into my spec?
16:22:56 <rigo> q+
16:23:01 <bblfish> this one http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Oct/att-0030/SpecificationPrivacyAssessment-20121008.pdf
16:23:09 <JoeHallCDT> Frank: look at the two documents I've shared (links above)
16:23:12 <jtrentadams> As a side note, the IETF is also ramping up increased support for a Privacy Considerations section added to RFCs that is akin to the Security Considerations.
16:23:53 <npdoty> q+
16:23:59 <JoeHallCDT> Frank: also look at the IETF RFC catalog… that has privacy considerations… internet draft 03 (not yet an RFC)
16:24:04 <rigo> q- later
16:24:04 <JoeHallCDT> (not sure I have that right)
16:24:25 <bblfish> Frank: one needs prior art draft 03 on privacy considerations. [ but Frank is saying these are are just thinking of the threats ]
16:24:26 <npdoty> IAB Privacy Considerations draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-privacy-considerations-03
16:24:40 <tara> q?
16:24:54 <Simon> I look forward to reviewing the documents
16:24:55 <rigo> ack npdoty
16:25:05 <JoeHallCDT> Nick: responding to Henry, not sure that's exactly what we want to do in PING.
16:25:46 <JoeHallCDT> We'd also like to help do reviews for different WGs.
16:25:47 <Simon> q+
16:26:10 <JoeHallCDT> Henry: would appreciate that… get's dang complicated.
16:26:14 <rigo> ack rigo
16:26:16 <npdoty> npdoty: I think coming up with that guidance, a single document for protocol authors, is exactly what we're working on at PING
16:26:24 <JoeHallCDT> (oops)
16:26:33 <tara> ack simon
16:26:52 <npdoty> ... and while PING might be doing reviews, we'd like to come up with a document for authors from within individual groups
16:27:18 <JoeHallCDT> Q: Rigo is not sure if the right knowledge is yet present in the WG.
16:27:43 <npdoty> s/Q: Rigo is/rigo:/
16:28:04 <npdoty> rigo: requires a lot of knowledge to translate down from the PbD principles all the way down to spec-writing
16:28:33 <JoeHallCDT> Frank: from IETF, the first set of specs that did security considerations was a learning experience… will be the case here.
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16:28:36 <npdoty> +1, the experience from security considerations is that early on it wasn't particularly comprehensive, but obviously improved over time
16:29:08 <npdoty> q+ Simon
16:29:53 <tara> ack simon
16:30:08 <JoeHallCDT> Simon asks where do you see this going?
16:30:21 <Robin> rigo: greetings (test)
16:30:27 <JoeHallCDT> Is this a procedure or a seal of approval?
16:30:33 <rigo> success: great back
16:31:06 <rigo> q+ to tell the story about ipse
16:31:09 <JoeHallCDT> Frank sees these as assessments but not audits.
16:31:57 <JoeHallCDT> More about a cumulative feedback process.
16:32:03 <npdoty> I imagine that's pretty familiar in the software engineering context: security reviews, performance reviews, even basic code reviews; not a post-facto audit but input during the process
16:32:05 <JoeHallCDT> (scribe's wording)
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16:33:35 <yrlesru> I am back on IRC, Tara.
16:33:48 <JoeHallCDT> Simon is concerned about having a grey zone between privacy aspirations being documented re litigation threat.
16:34:05 <Robin> jtrentadams: hi Trent - how's life?
16:35:21 <JoeHallCDT> Frank says whatever your accountability model is, there needs to be someone who can sign off for the w3c publication process for spec text.
16:35:54 <npdoty> I think better documentation (usually accompanied by improvement or mitigation) will be a net positive, rather than a risk of attack for the technology being imperfect
16:35:55 <JoeHallCDT> Want to move from vague regulatory text to crystal clear technical text.
16:37:07 <JoeHallCDT> Simon is wary of this serving as a w3c seal of approval.
16:37:07 <rigo> ack rig
16:37:07 <Zakim> rigo, you wanted to tell the story about ipse
16:37:53 <JoeHallCDT> Rigo describes how w3c wants to have very solid technical sections… this is not concrete enough for w3c.
16:37:54 <npdoty> Simon, I'm not sure the intent is a "seal" approach, but just having done and documented considerations
16:38:01 <JoeHallCDT> Too high-level for w3c.
16:38:55 <JoeHallCDT> Frank responds that the SPA document was intended to be submitted to the primary (in Nokia's view) web and technical standards settings.
16:39:10 <JoeHallCDT> so it hasn't yet been translated to w3c context.
16:39:29 <npdoty> rigo, I think we can use this framework as a starting point, and might be an outline to writing our document
16:39:53 <rigo> nick, I agree, but we have to remain plumbers
16:40:07 <JoeHallCDT> The w3c standards will be different from management standards for ISO 20 (something? didn't get it)
16:40:16 <rigo> agenda?
16:40:48 <rigo> agenda+ CSP specification - privacy issues
16:40:57 <rigo> zakim, take up next
16:40:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "CSP specification - privacy issues" taken up [from rigo]
16:41:15 <rigo> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/2012OctDec/0008.html
16:41:16 <JoeHallCDT> Tara: this has been on ongoing process to try and solidify what PING has been interested in into documentary form.
16:41:17 <npdoty> agenda+ W3C Workshop
16:41:24 <npdoty> agenda+ TPAC
16:41:36 <rigo> q+
16:41:44 <christine> Is Fred here?
16:41:52 <JoeHallCDT> haven't seen him
16:42:16 <rigo> ack ri
16:42:19 <Zakim> -Rigo
16:42:38 <JoeHallCDT> who gave that man buttons?
16:42:38 <npdoty> https://www.w3.org/2011/webappsec/track/issues/11
16:42:43 <Zakim> +??P2
16:42:48 <Zakim> - +1.817.329.aacc
16:43:04 <Zakim> +Rigo
16:43:50 <JoeHallCDT> q+
16:44:55 <JoeHallCDT> q-
16:45:03 <npdoty> q+ to ask about the use case for 'phoning home' violation reports
16:45:15 <tara> ack npdoty
16:45:15 <Zakim> npdoty, you wanted to ask about the use case for 'phoning home' violation reports
16:45:19 <rigo> zakim, mute me
16:45:19 <Zakim> Rigo should now be muted
16:45:40 <Zakim> -JC
16:45:43 <rigo> ack ri
16:45:56 <JoeHallCDT> Nick asks if anyone has a good grasp on the use cases for when this would be invoked.
16:46:08 <yrlesru> CSP? Use case?
16:46:11 <christine> q+
16:46:13 <npdoty> npdoty: does someone know the precise use cases for when a violation report is sent? is it likely to reveal information that might be sensitive?
16:46:46 <npdoty> ack christine
16:46:47 <rigo> zakim, mute me
16:46:47 <Zakim> Rigo should now be muted
16:47:05 <JoeHallCDT> Christine asks what could/shound PING do here that would be useful?
16:47:19 <rigo> ack ri
16:47:52 <JoeHallCDT> Nick says that maybe we can understand or communicate the concerns in a more useful way.
16:47:56 <JoeHallCDT> q+
16:48:12 <jtrentadams> q+
16:48:17 <npdoty> ack JoeHallCDT
16:48:17 <rigo> ack Joe
16:49:19 <rigo> ack jtrentadams
16:49:22 <npdoty> JoeHallCDT: one helpful function of PING can be in deducing a core concern, best delivery
16:49:41 <christine> Thank you Trent.
16:49:42 <rigo> jtrentadams++
16:49:59 <JoeHallCDT> jtrentadams takes this as an item to unravel and help lucidify
16:50:02 <JoeHallCDT> (my words)
16:50:21 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:50:32 <npdoty> jtrentadams ++
16:50:38 <JoeHallCDT> (I have to hop off at 13:00 EDT, so need to pass the scribe pen at that time)
16:51:06 <npdoty> jtrentadams, if it's helpful to loop one of us in, feel free
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16:51:40 <npdoty> Zakim, agenda?
16:51:40 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
16:51:41 <Zakim> 1. CSP specification - privacy issues [from rigo]
16:51:41 <Zakim> 2. W3C Workshop [from npdoty]
16:51:41 <Zakim> 3. TPAC [from npdoty]
16:51:49 <jtrentadams> No problem.... I hope we're able to uncover the true issues and ensure they're addressed as appropriate.
16:51:59 <rigo> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:51:59 <Zakim> agendum 2. "W3C Workshop" taken up [from npdoty]
16:52:15 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:52:32 <JoeHallCDT> Impetus behind DNT and Beyond is to figure out how w3c should chart a future course in this flavor of privacy expression.
16:53:06 <JoeHallCDT> want to have quite a few people to talk about privacy techniques and issues
16:53:09 <JoeHallCDT> q+
16:53:22 <JoeHallCDT> very short position papers, due Monday
16:53:37 <JoeHallCDT> Berkeley is great!
16:53:45 <rigo> ack Joe
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16:54:47 <JoeHallCDT> There is an implicit scope for this for web work, coming from the w3c.
16:54:59 <christine> Or I can?
16:55:13 <npdoty> Zakim, next agendum
16:55:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "CSP specification - privacy issues" taken up [from rigo]
16:55:17 <JoeHallCDT> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:55:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TPAC" taken up [from npdoty]
16:55:19 <npdoty> Zakim, take up agendum 3
16:55:19 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TPAC" taken up [from npdoty]
16:55:41 <JoeHallCDT> Fingerprinting breakout session at TPAC
16:55:47 <npdoty> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#Is_user_agent_Fingerprinting_a_lost_cause.3F
16:56:07 <JoeHallCDT> where is the bar on trackability?
16:56:15 <JoeHallCDT> lessons from browser modes and protections?
16:56:42 <JoeHallCDT> TPAC will have an informal PING get together… drinks!
16:56:47 <rigo> I am going
16:56:49 <bblfish> I'll be there.
16:56:57 <npdoty> +1, informal get-together
16:57:03 <JoeHallCDT> Alissa from our shop I think will be around
16:57:04 <bblfish> note that related on the SEssion Ideas page there is http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#WebID_and_RWWeb
16:57:06 <JoeHallCDT> (I think)
16:57:17 <christine> Can we do the next call on 22 Nov?
16:57:21 <npdoty> email Christine if you'll be around at TPAC and want to gather for drinks
16:57:34 <JoeHallCDT> that is american thanksgiving
16:57:35 <JoeHallCDT> holiday
16:57:43 <npdoty> US Thanksgiving, yeah
16:58:03 <JoeHallCDT> the 29th is close
16:58:04 <christine> I'm booked 15 and 29
16:58:08 <npdoty> Nov 15 or Nov 29?
16:58:10 <JoeHallCDT> to the w3c thing,… traveling
16:58:13 <christine> but can try to fit it in
16:58:17 <JoeHallCDT> 11/15 WFM
16:58:22 <rigo> Nov 29 in Berkeley
16:58:28 <yrlesru> I submitted a position paper (SPA) but no reply.
16:58:33 <npdoty> either day works for me, or we can look at Fridays
16:58:35 <rigo> what about 22 Nov? or early Dec
16:58:52 <Joanne> either day works for me
16:58:54 <JoeHallCDT> we'll be cooking and getting fatter that day, rigo
16:59:08 <npdoty> December 6th?
16:59:12 <npdoty> works for me
16:59:13 <christine> okay for me
16:59:15 <JoeHallCDT> wfm 12/6
16:59:18 <Joanne> okay for me
16:59:33 <Robin> Dec 6th... St Nick's Day
16:59:42 <christine> Apologies to Henry that we did not have time for your item today. We can add to next call if you like.
16:59:51 <Zakim> - +1.303.661.aagg
16:59:57 <bblfish> hope to see you at TPAC in Lyon
16:59:58 <npdoty> tara: excellent discussion today
17:00:04 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:00:05 <Zakim> -Joanne
17:00:05 <Zakim> -JoeHallCDT
17:00:06 <Zakim> -??P30
17:00:06 <jtrentadams> Thanks all!
17:00:06 <Zakim> -Rigo
17:00:08 <npdoty> thanks, good talking with you all
17:00:08 <Zakim> -bblfish
17:00:14 <Zakim> -tara
17:00:30 <tara> Thanks Joe for scribing! Bye!
17:00:40 <yrlesru> Thanks, Tara (Frank = yrlesru)
17:00:42 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: Privacy IG -- http://www.w3.org/wiki/Privacy -- latest agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/2012OctDec/0022.html -- next call 2012-12-06
17:01:42 <npdoty> Zakim, list attendees
17:01:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.206.910.aaaa, +44.208.123.aabb, [IPcaller], +1.817.329.aacc, +1.508.380.aadd, +1.613.947.aaee, +1.916.641.aaff, Ashok_Malhotra, npdoty,
17:01:46 <Zakim> ... bblfish, Rigo, +1.303.661.aagg, Joanne, MacTed, JoeHallCDT, jtrentadams, tara, JC
17:01:56 <npdoty> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:01:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/18-privacy-minutes.html npdoty
17:02:14 <JoeHallCDT> np!
17:03:39 <tara> quit
17:06:09 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
17:08:22 <Zakim> -npdoty
17:15:11 <Zakim> -??P2
17:17:56 <Zakim> -jtrentadams
17:17:57 <Zakim> Priv_IG(PING)12:00PM has ended
17:17:57 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.206.910.aaaa, +44.208.123.aabb, [IPcaller], +1.817.329.aacc, +1.508.380.aadd, +1.613.947.aaee, +1.916.641.aaff, Ashok_Malhotra, npdoty, bblfish, Rigo,
17:17:57 <Zakim> ... +1.303.661.aagg, Joanne, MacTed, JoeHallCDT, jtrentadams, tara, JC
18:10:04 <ArtB> ArtB has left #privacy