16:02:00 RRSAgent has joined #html-wg 16:02:00 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/18-html-wg-irc 16:02:36 is anyone signed up so scribe? 16:03:47 trackbot, start meeting 16:03:50 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:03:52 Zakim, this will be html_wg 16:03:52 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started 16:03:53 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference 16:03:53 Date: 18 October 2012 16:04:38 adrianba has joined #html-wg 16:04:38 hober has joined #html-wg 16:05:13 +[Microsoft.aa] 16:05:16 ScribeNick: hober 16:05:22 Topic: Action items due by Thursday, October 18 16:05:26 zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me 16:05:26 +adrianba; got it 16:05:28 ACTION-222? 16:05:28 ACTION-222 -- Maciej Stachowiak to create a preference poll for the appcache mailing list -- due 2012-10-18 -- OPEN 16:05:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/222 16:05:53 mjs: let this slide while working on getting plan 2014 adopted 16:06:08 ... plan is to have a private draft of the poll to the other chairs by eod today 16:06:28 zakim, [Microsoft.aaa] is me 16:06:32 sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft.aaa]' 16:06:33 ... if we do create a separate mailing list, it'll still require people to be a member of the wg in order to join 16:06:55 MartinSoukup has joined #html-wg 16:07:01 ... will send out an email today 16:07:32 cwilso: i think it's well understood that people would have to be in the wg in order to join the list 16:07:33 +Plh 16:07:52 mjs: there was some confusion over this 16:08:17 Zakim, Apple is me 16:08:17 +hober; got it 16:08:19 Topic: Decisions this week 16:08:25 Plan 2014 decision: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Oct/0105.html 16:08:43 mjs: chairs declared consensus on plan 2014 with a few modifications 16:09:01 ... several objections were addressed without changing the substance of the decision 16:09:10 ... leaving html5 or html5.0 naming up to the editors 16:09:12 zakim, microsoft.a has me 16:09:12 +Eliot; got it 16:09:21 zakim, aabb is me 16:09:21 +Barbara; got it 16:09:36 ... we didn't want the plan to declare a specific name, leaving up to editors (with review by wg) 16:10:00 ... we agreed with the a11y tf's request to change "technical" to "substantive" in the section describing their work and deliverables 16:10:18 ... [gives aria example] 16:10:58 ... aspects of
are widely implemented (parsing behavior, ua stylesheet) 16:11:11 darobin has joined #html-wg 16:11:13 ... clarified so that those portions aren't at risk 16:11:21 zakim, microsoft.a has Eliot and me 16:11:22 Eliot was already listed in [Microsoft.a], jaymunro 16:11:22 +jaymunro; got it 16:11:33 edoyle has joined #html-wg 16:11:38 ... master branch for html5.1 is the master branch of the git repo 16:12:45 +Cynthia_Shelly 16:13:20 mjs: we will soon mark issues postponed 16:13:29 ... the ones that can be addressed in extension specs 16:13:48 ... we've asked the editors to make another pass through the bugs before we move the existing bugs to a non-5.0 component 16:13:58 ... will only pull in specific bugs to 5.0 after that 16:14:16 ... wg members should help complete the list of at risk features 16:14:39 ... [task force work statement adjustments] 16:15:09 daniel: how can i help? 16:15:39 mjs: giving technical feedback; usually we start with a bug in bugzilla, but starting a thread on public-html also works 16:15:57 q+ to suggest http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing 16:15:57 ... watching the list and bugzilla for topics you're interested in 16:16:28 tinkster has joined #html-wg 16:16:30 rubys: the testing tf needs a lot of help 16:16:31 q+ 16:16:36 ack rubys 16:16:36 rubys, you wanted to suggest http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing 16:16:45 mjs: testing is a key part of getting to rec 16:16:53 ack plh 16:17:24 plh: since we're moving to cr by the end of the year, the next big step is figuring out what's implemented & working on testing 16:17:33 q+ 16:17:41 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2012/ 16:17:49 ... i udpated the proposed charter based on plan 2014 16:18:05 ... the plan is for us to be rechartered before the end of the year 16:18:08 ddorwin has joined #html-wg 16:18:14 ddorwin has left #html-wg 16:18:20 q- 16:18:26 mjs: i encourage folks to look at & comment on the proposed charter 16:19:03 Topic: Task Force Reports 16:19:33 darobin has joined #html-wg 16:19:36 Topic: Accessibility Task Force 16:19:50 janina: met this morning 16:20:06 janina: continued discussing section 7.1 hidden="" 16:20:13 kris sent an update on the testing task force to the list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012OctDec/0007.html 16:20:14 ... that discussion has also been on list 16:20:30 ... see the tf minutes 16:21:03 ... fpwd from webapps of the shadow dom spec; could be relevant to tf work 16:21:30 ... will be organizing next steps now that plan 2014 has been adopted 16:22:08 ... continuing to look at the non-normative parts of 4.8 (what makes good alt text) 16:22:18 ... we will be requesting a meeting within a couple of days on that topic 16:22:49 Topic: Media Task Force 16:22:55 q+ to give an update 16:23:06 ack adrianba 16:23:06 adrianba, you wanted to give an update 16:23:32 adrianba: the tf has been continuing to meet, alternating between topics 16:24:01 ... trying to make sure that the bugs that are being filed are being triaged by the editors 16:24:15 ... aiming to get both of the specs into a good state before proposing fpwd 16:24:22 ... have asked for some time at tpac 16:24:53 ... by end of tpac meeting, the editors should know what work remains between then and fpwd 16:25:12 ... next meeting will be looking at the issues open on the media source extensions spec 16:25:55 Topic: Testing Task Force 16:26:09 plh: we spent last week's telcon talking about what we'll present at tpac 16:26:30 ... we have a very small number of approved tests 16:26:40 ... and a much larger number of tests that haven't been approved 16:27:01 ... we've received several submissions from mozilla and opera 16:27:19 ... some cross-origin tests, tests 16:27:47 Topic: Other Business 16:28:05 mjs: CfC on heartbeat drafts 16:28:07 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Oct/0065.html 16:28:22 ... CfC closes tomorrow; please comment on the list 16:28:48 Topic: Scribe for next meeting 16:28:56 gitbot has joined #html-wg 16:28:56 [html] techtoons pushed 2 new commits to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/55ab542bc14b...262499c029d9 16:28:56 [html/html5_canvas] Revert "removed features for issue-201" - Jay Munro 16:28:56 [html/html5_canvas] Revert "add a closing comment where I think it belongs" - Jay Munro 16:28:56 gitbot has left #html-wg 16:29:08 daniel: i can scribe 16:29:19 mjs: thank you 16:29:21 Topic: Adjournment 16:29:31 -adrianba 16:29:32 mjs: we are adjourned 16:29:32 -[Microsoft] 16:29:33 -Cynthia_Shelly 16:29:35 -cwilso 16:29:36 - +1.626.379.aacc 16:29:38 -cabanier 16:29:38 -Plh 16:29:40 -hober 16:29:40 - +1.415.595.aaaa 16:29:41 -??P5 16:29:42 janina has left #html-wg 16:29:50 -[Microsoft.a] 16:29:51 RRSAgent: generate minutes 16:29:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/18-html-wg-minutes.html hober 16:30:37 -Barbara 16:34:37 -Radhika_Roy 16:34:55 Chair: mjs 16:34:56 RRSAgent: generate minutes 16:34:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/18-html-wg-minutes.html hober 16:37:46 hober? do you know why img.src must reflect the content attribute of the same in HTML5? 16:37:59 because, from what I know, this is not the case 16:38:42 it returns the absolute url insteadf 16:47:21 Lachy has joined #html-wg 16:53:12 Lauren has left #html-wg 16:59:15 plh: how is that any different than ? 16:59:58 plh: "If a reflecting IDL attribute is a DOMString attribute whose content attribute is defined to contain a URL, then on getting, the IDL attribute must resolve the value of the content attribute relative to the element and return the resulting absolute URL if that was successful, or the empty string otherwise; and on setting, must set the content attribute to the specified literal value. If the content attribute is absent, the IDL 16:59:58 attribute must return the default value, if the content attribute has one, or else the empty string." 17:00:07 ( from http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/common-dom-interfaces.html#reflect ) 17:04:07 hober, ah, that's the part I missed in spec 17:04:12 thx 17:15:04 -Sam 17:15:05 HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended 17:15:05 Attendees were cabanier, Radhika_Roy, +1.415.595.aaaa, cwilso, [Microsoft], +49.322.110.8.aabb, +1.626.379.aacc, Sam, adrianba, Plh, hober, Eliot, Barbara, jaymunro, Cynthia_Shelly 18:02:07 gitbot has joined #html-wg 18:02:07 [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/394cf8dc1548e0a27fc04899650ce90fa77e4b05 18:02:07 [html/html5_canvas] Revert "Removed TextMetrics feature" - Rik Cabanier 18:02:07 gitbot has left #html-wg 18:28:26 mjs has joined #html-wg 18:31:47 Zakim has left #html-wg 18:46:30 tinkster has joined #html-wg 19:27:43 miketayl_r has joined #html-wg 19:29:49 drublic has joined #html-wg 19:33:10 mjs has joined #html-wg 20:16:21 icaaq has joined #html-wg 20:50:41 gitbot has joined #html-wg 20:50:41 [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/07a50bfe56a0e0d602d60cb2f1941d32961072be 20:50:41 [html/html5_canvas] Revert "Revert "Removed TextMetrics feature"" - Jay Munro 20:50:41 gitbot has left #html-wg 20:52:13 gitbot has joined #html-wg 20:52:13 [html] techtoons pushed 2 new commits to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/07a50bfe56a0...41a026288d0a 20:52:13 [html/html5_canvas] Revert "Revert "add a closing comment where I think it belongs"" - Jay Munro 20:52:13 [html/html5_canvas] Revert "Revert "removed features for issue-201"" - Jay Munro 20:52:13 gitbot has left #html-wg 21:06:48 edoyle has joined #html-wg 21:38:18 gitbot has joined #html-wg 21:38:18 [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/27b3f4cbd9f54671ec68161ab328cf5451aa516b 21:38:18 [html/html5_canvas] Put back features that are included in issue-201 - Jay Munro 21:38:18 gitbot has left #html-wg 21:45:51 edoyle has joined #html-wg 21:57:12 gitbot has joined #html-wg 21:57:12 [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/7bd894be67fb2ee2e93dd7d2a6fa830734d0fc5f 21:57:12 [html/html5_canvas] Re-applied ellipse per issue-201 - Jay Munro 21:57:12 gitbot has left #html-wg 21:58:59 nonge has joined #html-wg 22:00:14 edoyle has joined #html-wg 22:19:28 rubys has joined #html-wg 22:27:54 gitbot has joined #html-wg 22:27:54 [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/54ed0345600bb855d8ca966c1262922b69af9f17 22:27:54 [html/html5_canvas] Returned textmetrics per issue-201 - Jay Munro 22:27:54 gitbot has left #html-wg 22:29:33 timeless has joined #html-wg 22:30:07 krijnh has joined #html-wg 22:31:57 mjs has joined #html-wg 22:58:00 mjs has joined #html-wg 23:04:06 krijnh has joined #html-wg 23:29:31 mjs has joined #html-wg 23:35:03 tantek has joined #html-wg 23:38:05 krijnh has joined #html-wg