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16:03:52 Zakim, this will be html_wg
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16:03:53 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:03:53 Date: 18 October 2012
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16:05:13 +[Microsoft.aa]
16:05:16 ScribeNick: hober
16:05:22 Topic: Action items due by Thursday, October 18
16:05:26 zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
16:05:26 +adrianba; got it
16:05:28 ACTION-222?
16:05:28 ACTION-222 -- Maciej Stachowiak to create a preference poll for the appcache mailing list -- due 2012-10-18 -- OPEN
16:05:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/222
16:05:53 mjs: let this slide while working on getting plan 2014 adopted
16:06:08 ... plan is to have a private draft of the poll to the other chairs by eod today
16:06:28 zakim, [Microsoft.aaa] is me
16:06:32 sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft.aaa]'
16:06:33 ... if we do create a separate mailing list, it'll still require people to be a member of the wg in order to join
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16:07:01 ... will send out an email today
16:07:32 cwilso: i think it's well understood that people would have to be in the wg in order to join the list
16:07:33 +Plh
16:07:52 mjs: there was some confusion over this
16:08:17 Zakim, Apple is me
16:08:17 +hober; got it
16:08:19 Topic: Decisions this week
16:08:25 Plan 2014 decision: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Oct/0105.html
16:08:43 mjs: chairs declared consensus on plan 2014 with a few modifications
16:09:01 ... several objections were addressed without changing the substance of the decision
16:09:10 ... leaving html5 or html5.0 naming up to the editors
16:09:12 zakim, microsoft.a has me
16:09:12 +Eliot; got it
16:09:21 zakim, aabb is me
16:09:21 +Barbara; got it
16:09:36 ... we didn't want the plan to declare a specific name, leaving up to editors (with review by wg)
16:10:00 ... we agreed with the a11y tf's request to change "technical" to "substantive" in the section describing their work and deliverables
16:10:18 ... [gives aria example]
16:10:58 ... aspects of are widely implemented (parsing behavior, ua stylesheet)
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16:11:13 ... clarified so that those portions aren't at risk
16:11:21 zakim, microsoft.a has Eliot and me
16:11:22 Eliot was already listed in [Microsoft.a], jaymunro
16:11:22 +jaymunro; got it
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16:11:38 ... master branch for html5.1 is the master branch of the git repo
16:12:45 +Cynthia_Shelly
16:13:20 mjs: we will soon mark issues postponed
16:13:29 ... the ones that can be addressed in extension specs
16:13:48 ... we've asked the editors to make another pass through the bugs before we move the existing bugs to a non-5.0 component
16:13:58 ... will only pull in specific bugs to 5.0 after that
16:14:16 ... wg members should help complete the list of at risk features
16:14:39 ... [task force work statement adjustments]
16:15:09 daniel: how can i help?
16:15:39 mjs: giving technical feedback; usually we start with a bug in bugzilla, but starting a thread on public-html also works
16:15:57 q+ to suggest http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
16:15:57 ... watching the list and bugzilla for topics you're interested in
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16:16:30 rubys: the testing tf needs a lot of help
16:16:31 q+
16:16:36 ack rubys
16:16:36 rubys, you wanted to suggest http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
16:16:45 mjs: testing is a key part of getting to rec
16:16:53 ack plh
16:17:24 plh: since we're moving to cr by the end of the year, the next big step is figuring out what's implemented & working on testing
16:17:33 q+
16:17:41 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2012/
16:17:49 ... i udpated the proposed charter based on plan 2014
16:18:05 ... the plan is for us to be rechartered before the end of the year
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16:18:20 q-
16:18:26 mjs: i encourage folks to look at & comment on the proposed charter
16:19:03 Topic: Task Force Reports
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16:19:36 Topic: Accessibility Task Force
16:19:50 janina: met this morning
16:20:06 janina: continued discussing section 7.1 hidden=""
16:20:13 kris sent an update on the testing task force to the list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012OctDec/0007.html
16:20:14 ... that discussion has also been on list
16:20:30 ... see the tf minutes
16:21:03 ... fpwd from webapps of the shadow dom spec; could be relevant to tf work
16:21:30 ... will be organizing next steps now that plan 2014 has been adopted
16:22:08 ... continuing to look at the non-normative parts of 4.8 (what makes good alt text)
16:22:18 ... we will be requesting a meeting within a couple of days on that topic
16:22:49 Topic: Media Task Force
16:22:55 q+ to give an update
16:23:06 ack adrianba
16:23:06 adrianba, you wanted to give an update
16:23:32 adrianba: the tf has been continuing to meet, alternating between topics
16:24:01 ... trying to make sure that the bugs that are being filed are being triaged by the editors
16:24:15 ... aiming to get both of the specs into a good state before proposing fpwd
16:24:22 ... have asked for some time at tpac
16:24:53 ... by end of tpac meeting, the editors should know what work remains between then and fpwd
16:25:12 ... next meeting will be looking at the issues open on the media source extensions spec
16:25:55 Topic: Testing Task Force
16:26:09 plh: we spent last week's telcon talking about what we'll present at tpac
16:26:30 ... we have a very small number of approved tests
16:26:40 ... and a much larger number of tests that haven't been approved
16:27:01 ... we've received several submissions from mozilla and opera
16:27:19 ... some cross-origin tests,