IRC log of er on 2012-10-17

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RRSAgent, make logs public
12:33:18 [Zakim]
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Zakim, this will be 3794
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:33:21 [trackbot]
Date: 17 October 2012
12:33:32 [shadi]
zakim, this is ert
12:33:32 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; that matches WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM
12:33:42 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
12:33:42 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P5, ??P6
12:33:45 [samuelm]
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12:33:52 [shadi]
zakim, ??p5 is samuelm
12:33:52 [Zakim]
+samuelm; got it
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12:34:00 [shadi]
zakim, ??p6 is me
12:34:00 [Zakim]
+shadi; got it
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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Test Suite
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+ +30231125aaaa
12:35:02 [shadi]
agenda+ Accessibility Support Database
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agenda+ Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology 1.0
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agenda+ Techniques For Accessibility Evaluation And Repair Tools 1.0
12:35:37 [shadi]
zakim, aaaa is kostas
12:35:37 [Zakim]
+kostas; got it
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-shadi
12:39:29 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
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-kostas
12:40:08 [shadi]
agenda?
12:41:26 [shadi]
kostas?
12:41:36 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
12:41:36 [Zakim]
On the phone I see samuelm, [IPcaller]
12:41:42 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is me
12:41:42 [Zakim]
+shadi; got it
12:42:48 [kostas]
i am trying to call
12:42:54 [kostas]
again
12:43:10 [shadi]
thanks
12:44:04 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2012Oct/0003.html
12:44:10 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
12:44:10 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Test Suite" taken up [from shadi]
12:44:13 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2012Oct/0003.html
12:44:24 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2012Oct/att-0003/EARL_Report.xml
12:49:19 [Zakim]
+kostas
12:50:41 [shadi]
SAZ: combines automatic and semi-automatic test cases
12:50:52 [shadi]
...maybe best to do them as separate test cases?
12:52:56 [shadi]
KV: actually combines failed and cannot tell
12:54:11 [shadi]
SAZ: "<acc:score>60.60</acc:score>", what does that mean?
12:54:27 [shadi]
KV: accessibility score
12:54:32 [shadi]
...not used anymore
12:56:04 [shadi]
SAZ: currently description of the tool rather than of the report
12:56:15 [shadi]
...would need to be a separate assertion
12:56:22 [shadi]
KV: will remove
12:56:41 [shadi]
<earl:Assertion rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/#qr-text-equiv-all#1.1.1">
12:57:07 [shadi]
<earl:Assertion rdf:about="id01">
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<earl:Assertion rdf:about="#id01">
12:57:44 [kostas]
ok
12:58:00 [shadi]
self#id01
12:59:04 [shadi]
SM: rdf:about or rdf:I
12:59:07 [shadi]
SM: rdf:about or rdf:id
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<earl:Assertion rdf:about="#assertion"> <earl:assertedBy rdf:resource="#assertor"/> <earl:subject rdf:resource="http://www.example.org/"/> <earl:test rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H36"/> <earl:result rdf:resource="#result"/> </earl:Assertion>
13:00:04 [shadi]
SAZ: think rdf:about and rdf:ID seems to be equivalent
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...but ID seems more sensisble
13:00:20 [shadi]
SM: will check this
13:01:02 [shadi]
<acc:step>2</acc:step>
13:01:12 [shadi]
SAZ: important to have in the test case?
13:01:55 [shadi]
...not part of EARL
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<acc:problematicElement>
13:02:59 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#pointer
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<acc:level>A</acc:level>
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<earl:test rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H37#H37-tests">
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<acc:level>A</acc:level>
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</earl:test>
13:06:24 [shadi]
SAZ: though need to be carefull with that because a technique could map to more than one success criterion that could have more than one level
13:07:08 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#TestCriterion
13:07:28 [shadi]
SM: could be part of the test result because interpretation of the technique outcome
13:07:59 [kostas]
it is better to follow the test criterion
13:08:38 [shadi]
<earl:TestCase rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H36">http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H36"> <dct:title xml:lang="en">H36</dct:title> <dct:description xml:lang="en">Technique H36 - Using alt attributes on images used as submit buttons </dct:description> <dct:isPartOf rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/"/> <dct:hasPart rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H36#H36-tests"/> </earl:TestCase>
13:09:21 [shadi]
<earl:TestResquirement rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/@@@successcriterion_ID"> <dct:title xml:lang="en">H36</dct:title> <dct:description xml:lang="en">Technique H36 - Using alt attributes on images used as submit buttons </dct:description> <dct:isPartOf rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/"/> <dct:hasPart rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H36#H36-tests"/> </earl:TestRequirement>
13:10:41 [shadi]
<acc:tip>
13:10:54 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#info
13:11:50 [kostas]
ok
13:12:01 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
13:12:02 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Accessibility Support Database" taken up [from shadi]
13:12:50 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ACT/asd
13:16:46 [shadi]
SAZ: crowd.sourced repository of information about how accessibility features are supported across platform, browsers, and assistive technologies
13:16:59 [shadi]
KV: new resources or only what exists from W3C?
13:17:14 [shadi]
SAZ: tests are new but always based on existing Techniques
13:17:46 [kostas]
ok
13:18:32 [shadi]
...let me know if you have any questions or comments
13:18:39 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
13:18:39 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology 1.0" taken up [from shadi]
13:18:53 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-EM/
13:20:15 [shadi]
SAZ: commenting review period ends this Friday, please send your comments to Eval TF
13:20:34 [Zakim]
-kostas
13:21:03 [kostas]
sorry there is a problem with my line
13:21:08 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
13:21:08 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Techniques For Accessibility Evaluation And Repair Tools 1.0" taken up [from shadi]
13:21:24 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/AERT
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ACT/deliverables#eval_tools
13:22:41 [shadi]
SAZ: guidance for evaluation tool developers on how to better support WCAG 2.0, including WCAG-EM
13:23:41 [Zakim]
-shadi
13:23:44 [Zakim]
-samuelm
13:23:45 [Zakim]
WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were samuelm, shadi, +30231125aaaa, kostas
13:24:31 [shadi]
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
13:24:31 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:24:39 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/17-er-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items