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12:33:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:33:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
12:33:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:33:21 <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2012
12:33:32 <shadi> zakim, this is ert
12:33:32 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM
12:33:42 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:33:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P5, ??P6
12:33:45 <samuelm> samuelm has joined #er
12:33:52 <shadi> zakim, ??p5 is samuelm
12:33:52 <Zakim> +samuelm; got it
12:33:55 <kostas> kostas has joined #er
12:34:00 <shadi> zakim, ??p6 is me
12:34:00 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
12:34:46 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Test Suite
12:34:47 <Zakim> + +30231125aaaa
12:35:02 <shadi> agenda+ Accessibility Support Database
12:35:13 <shadi> agenda+ Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology 1.0
12:35:22 <shadi> agenda+ Techniques For Accessibility Evaluation And Repair Tools 1.0
12:35:37 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is kostas
12:35:37 <Zakim> +kostas; got it
12:36:37 <Zakim> -shadi
12:39:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:39:54 <shadi> shadi has joined #er
12:40:07 <Zakim> -kostas
12:40:08 <shadi> agenda?
12:41:26 <shadi> kostas?
12:41:36 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:41:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see samuelm, [IPcaller]
12:41:42 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
12:41:42 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
12:42:48 <kostas> i am trying to call
12:42:54 <kostas> again
12:43:10 <shadi> thanks
12:44:04 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2012Oct/0003.html
12:44:10 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:44:10 <Zakim> agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Test Suite" taken up [from shadi]
12:44:13 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2012Oct/0003.html
12:44:24 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2012Oct/att-0003/EARL_Report.xml
12:49:19 <Zakim> +kostas
12:50:41 <shadi> SAZ: combines automatic and semi-automatic test cases
12:50:52 <shadi> ...maybe best to do them as separate test cases?
12:52:56 <shadi> KV: actually combines failed and cannot tell
12:54:11 <shadi> SAZ: "<acc:score>60.60</acc:score>", what does that mean?
12:54:27 <shadi> KV: accessibility score
12:54:32 <shadi> ...not used anymore
12:56:04 <shadi> SAZ: currently description of the tool rather than of the report
12:56:15 <shadi> ...would need to be a separate assertion
12:56:22 <shadi> KV: will remove
12:56:41 <shadi> <earl:Assertion rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/#qr-text-equiv-all#1.1.1">
12:57:07 <shadi> <earl:Assertion rdf:about="id01">
12:57:21 <shadi> <earl:Assertion rdf:about="#id01">
12:57:44 <kostas> ok
12:58:00 <shadi> self#id01
12:59:04 <shadi> SM: rdf:about or rdf:I
12:59:07 <shadi> SM: rdf:about or rdf:id
12:59:33 <shadi> <earl:Assertion rdf:about="#assertion">   <earl:assertedBy rdf:resource="#assertor"/>   <earl:subject rdf:resource="http://www.example.org/"/>   <earl:test rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H36"/>   <earl:result rdf:resource="#result"/> </earl:Assertion>
13:00:04 <shadi> SAZ: think rdf:about and rdf:ID seems to be equivalent
13:00:13 <shadi> ...but ID seems more sensisble
13:00:20 <shadi> SM: will check this
13:01:02 <shadi> <acc:step>2</acc:step>
13:01:12 <shadi> SAZ: important to have in the test case?
13:01:55 <shadi> ...not part of EARL
13:02:33 <shadi> <acc:problematicElement>
13:02:59 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#pointer
13:03:55 <shadi> <acc:level>A</acc:level>
13:05:07 <shadi> <earl:test rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H37#H37-tests">
13:05:10 <shadi> <acc:level>A</acc:level>
13:05:21 <shadi> </earl:test>
13:06:24 <shadi> SAZ: though need to be carefull with that because a technique could map to more than one success criterion that could have more than one level
13:07:08 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#TestCriterion
13:07:28 <shadi> SM: could be part of the test result because interpretation of the technique outcome
13:07:59 <kostas> it is better to follow the test criterion
13:08:38 <shadi> <earl:TestCase rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H36">   <dct:title xml:lang="en">H36</dct:title>   <dct:description xml:lang="en">Technique H36 - Using alt attributes      on images used as submit buttons </dct:description>   <dct:isPartOf rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/"/>   <dct:hasPart rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H36#H36-tests"/> </earl:TestCase>
13:09:21 <shadi> <earl:TestResquirement rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/@@@successcriterion_ID">   <dct:title xml:lang="en">H36</dct:title>   <dct:description xml:lang="en">Technique H36 - Using alt attributes      on images used as submit buttons </dct:description>   <dct:isPartOf rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/"/>   <dct:hasPart rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H36#H36-tests"/> </earl:TestRequirement>
13:10:41 <shadi> <acc:tip>
13:10:54 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#info
13:11:50 <kostas> ok
13:12:01 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:12:02 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Accessibility Support Database" taken up [from shadi]
13:12:50 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ACT/asd
13:16:46 <shadi> SAZ: crowd.sourced repository of information about how accessibility features are supported across platform, browsers, and assistive technologies
13:16:59 <shadi> KV: new resources or only what exists from W3C?
13:17:14 <shadi> SAZ: tests are new but always based on existing Techniques
13:17:46 <kostas> ok
13:18:32 <shadi> ...let me know if you have any questions or comments
13:18:39 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:18:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology 1.0" taken up [from shadi]
13:18:53 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-EM/
13:20:15 <shadi> SAZ: commenting review period ends this Friday, please send your comments to Eval TF
13:20:34 <Zakim> -kostas
13:21:03 <kostas> sorry there is a problem with my line
13:21:08 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:21:08 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Techniques For Accessibility Evaluation And Repair Tools 1.0" taken up [from shadi]
13:21:24 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/AERT
13:22:00 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ACT/deliverables#eval_tools
13:22:41 <shadi> SAZ: guidance for evaluation tool developers on how to better support WCAG 2.0, including WCAG-EM
13:23:41 <Zakim> -shadi
13:23:44 <Zakim> -samuelm
13:23:45 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:23:45 <Zakim> Attendees were samuelm, shadi, +30231125aaaa, kostas
13:24:31 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:24:31 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:24:31 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:24:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:24:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/17-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:24:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:24:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items