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13:11:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:11:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 49 minutes
13:11:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:11:58 <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2012
13:12:18 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0026.html
13:12:37 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279  ; agenda  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0026.html
13:13:02 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
13:13:09 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
13:14:12 <fjh> Regrets+ Bryan_Sullivan
13:37:53 <fjh> Regrets+ Milan_Patel
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13:54:18 <Jungkee> Present+ Jungkee_Song
13:59:16 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:59:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:59:35 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:59:35 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:59:56 <Zakim> +??P27
14:00:19 <Jungkee> Zakim, ??P27 is me
14:00:19 <Zakim> +Jungkee; got it
14:00:31 <Zakim> + +49.173.537.aaaa
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14:00:55 <Zakim> - +49.173.537.aaaa
14:01:07 <Zakim> +Dsr
14:01:20 <Zakim> + +49.173.537.aabb
14:01:37 <dcheng3> Present+ Diana_Cheng
14:01:39 <SungOk_You> Present+ SungOk_You
14:01:47 <Zakim> + +1.781.266.aacc
14:01:51 <dcheng3> zakim, aabb is dcheng3
14:01:51 <Zakim> +dcheng3; got it
14:01:53 <Cathy> zakim, aacc is me
14:01:53 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
14:02:23 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Jungkee, Dsr, dcheng3, Cathy
14:02:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, SungOk_You, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, glenn, dom, tobie, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt, trackbot
14:02:43 <AlexanderSalas> Present+ Alexander_Salas
14:02:47 <Zakim> -Jungkee
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14:04:11 <fjh> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
14:04:28 <Zakim> +??P1
14:04:34 <Zakim> + +1.858.651.aadd
14:04:38 <Jungkee> Zakim, ??P1 is me
14:04:38 <Zakim> +Jungkee; got it
14:04:49 <fjh> zakim, who is here
14:04:49 <Zakim> fjh, you need to end that query with '?'
14:04:54 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.15.aaee
14:04:56 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:04:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, +1.858.651.aadd, +46.1.07.15.aaee
14:04:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see nwidell, Clarke, dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, SungOk_You, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, glenn, dom, tobie, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt, trackbot
14:05:08 <nwidell> Zakim, aaee is nwidell
14:05:08 <Zakim> +nwidell; got it
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14:05:34 <fjh> IRC client configuration change: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2012Oct/0005.html
14:05:43 <gmandyam> Zakim, gmandyam is Giri_Mandyam
14:05:43 <Zakim> sorry, gmandyam, I do not recognize a party named 'gmandyam'
14:05:47 <Zakim> +Clarke
14:05:48 <fjh> "Web Intents Addendum - Local Services" FPWD published 4 October 2012 - http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-webintents-local-services-20121004/
14:06:00 <fjh> Updated working draft of "Network Service Discovery" published 4 October -  http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-discovery-api-20121004/
14:06:08 <fjh> Welcome to new DAP members, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0021.html
14:06:14 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:06:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, Dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, +1.858.651.aadd, nwidell, Clarke
14:06:16 <dsr> Present+ Dave
14:06:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see gmandyam, nwidell, Clarke, dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, SungOk_You, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, glenn, dom, tobie, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt,
14:06:17 <Zakim> ... trackbot
14:06:21 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
14:06:32 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
14:06:36 <Zakim> + +1.289.261.aaff
14:06:49 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aaff is me
14:06:49 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref; got it
14:06:53 <Zakim> -Jungkee
14:06:57 <Josh_Soref> scribe: Josh_Soref
14:07:05 <Josh_Soref> dsr: I'll be stepping down
14:07:09 <Josh_Soref> ... as team contact
14:07:14 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll be working with Sys Apps
14:07:18 <Josh_Soref> ... it was good working with you
14:07:18 <Zakim> -dcheng3
14:07:26 <fjh> Much thanks to dsr !
14:07:27 <Josh_Soref> fjh: much thanks for all that you've done with the group
14:07:35 <Zakim> +dcheng3
14:07:48 <Josh_Soref> dsr: i'll also be working with NFC when it gets launched
14:07:51 <Josh_Soref> fjh: thanks a lot dsr
14:07:59 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Minutes Approval
14:08:03 <fjh> Approve 3 October 2012 minutes:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/att-0014/minutes-2012-10-03.html
14:08:20 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 3 October 2012 are approved.
14:08:27 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 3 October 2012 are approved.
14:08:43 <Josh_Soref> s/ScribeNick: fjh//
14:08:49 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Contacts Web Intent
14:08:51 <fjh> CfC to remove search extended to 22 October - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0000.html
14:09:11 <Josh_Soref> fjh: bryan gave a UC for search
14:09:11 <gmandyam> Zakim, aadd is me
14:09:11 <Zakim> +gmandyam; got it
14:09:18 <Josh_Soref> ... we should probably have this discussion at the F2F
14:09:30 <Jungkee> Yes
14:09:30 <Josh_Soref> ... the discussion is still going on on the list
14:09:34 <Josh_Soref> topic: Media Capture LC
14:09:39 <fjh> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-html-media-ca
14:09:47 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we have the comments on Tracker
14:09:59 <Josh_Soref> ... Josh_Soref, i think you have additional comments that should go to the list
14:10:00 <fjh> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/doc/
14:10:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:10:18 <Josh_Soref> ... i think we should go through these at the F2F
14:10:26 <Josh_Soref> ... but we have a number of comments that haven't been addressed
14:10:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:10:39 <Josh_Soref> ... we should try to work on these before the F2F
14:10:43 <SungOk_You> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:10:43 <Zakim> +SungOk_You; got it
14:10:49 <Jungkee> Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
14:10:49 <Zakim> +Jungkee; got it
14:10:55 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't think there's time on this call
14:11:12 <Josh_Soref> ... / the right people (anssik)
14:11:17 <Josh_Soref> ... i know shepazu disagreed with our response
14:12:35 <Zakim> -Jungkee
14:12:38 <fjh> Topic:  F2F Agenda review
14:12:46 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France
14:13:07 <fjh> fjh: updated to have 17:00 end time on day 2 but depending on discussion may end earlier
14:13:31 <Josh_Soref> fjh: one subject we'll need to discuss soon
14:13:37 <Josh_Soref> ... is whether browsers are converging
14:14:06 <fjh> Tuesday F2F items relevant to DAP
14:14:09 <fjh> Media Capture F2F 13:00 - 18:00 (after lunch), http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/2012Oct/0103.html
14:14:21 <fjh> WebIntents session during WebApps, http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/TPAC2012Meeting#Agenda_Tuesday_October_30
14:14:33 <fjh> 16:45 - 17:45 Web Intents: update, status, Q&A with Web Intents Task Force members. Lead: James Hawkins. (May have remote participants e.g. Greg, Paul)
14:14:54 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i think there's also a web intents session on wednesday during the plenary
14:15:04 <Josh_Soref> ... i know jhawkins won't be there in person
14:15:11 <Josh_Soref> ... the most important thing going forward
14:15:14 <Josh_Soref> ... is browser support
14:15:18 <Josh_Soref> ... especially mozilla support
14:15:33 <Josh_Soref> ... i think the right thing to do is to work on a proposal for the agenda
14:15:44 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll do that with jhawkins and greg
14:16:06 <Josh_Soref> ... does anyone else have comments on the agenda?
14:16:16 <Josh_Soref> dcheng3: i have a concern about one of the items on the agenda
14:16:22 <Josh_Soref> ... network information api action points
14:16:34 <Josh_Soref> ... i thought in the last F2F we informally killed this spec
14:16:51 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't know if it's reasonable to
14:16:58 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i thought we shelved the previous version
14:17:11 <Josh_Soref> ... but that we had a simplified version we were progressing
14:17:18 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll change the agenda item to be a general topic
14:17:22 <Josh_Soref> ... and figure out what we're doing
14:17:34 <Josh_Soref> dcheng3: my understanding was that we shelved both versions
14:17:41 <Josh_Soref> ... there were finger printing issues with the first one
14:17:52 <Josh_Soref> ... and the second one had implementability issues
14:17:59 <Josh_Soref> ... and wasn't going to be useful
14:18:06 <Josh_Soref> ... i think Josh_Soref had comments on the mailing list
14:18:11 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: +1
14:18:19 <Zakim> -nwidell
14:18:24 <Josh_Soref> nwidell: one thing i think we should discuss
14:18:31 <nwidell> sigh
14:18:37 <Josh_Soref> s/sigh//
14:18:46 <Zakim> +nwidell
14:19:18 <Josh_Soref> nwidell: previously discussed a bit
14:19:19 <Josh_Soref> ... the sensor apis
14:19:23 <Josh_Soref> ... for sensors not on the device
14:19:29 <Josh_Soref> ... i know mozilla doesn't really like this
14:19:39 <Josh_Soref> ... maybe there are other supporters in the group
14:19:46 <Josh_Soref> ... so maybe we should raise the question
14:19:53 <Josh_Soref> ... and see if there are other supporters
14:20:01 <Josh_Soref> fjh: are you talking about temperature and web intents?
14:20:04 <Josh_Soref> nwidell: eactly
14:20:14 <Josh_Soref> fjh: how do we go forward with this?
14:20:21 <Josh_Soref> nwidell: maybe we put together a presentation for that
14:20:37 <Josh_Soref> fjh: are you volunteering to do a presentation?
14:20:41 <fjh> fjh: note to self, add next step for sensor API agenda item
14:20:42 <Josh_Soref> nwidell: yeah, i can do a short one
14:20:55 <Josh_Soref> fjh: that'd be great
14:21:11 <Josh_Soref> ... another topic is where do we focus our future efforts
14:21:31 <Josh_Soref> ... does anyone else have comments?
14:22:16 <Josh_Soref> topic: Calendar
14:22:28 <Josh_Soref> fjh: the question is whether we should try to progress it
14:22:35 <Josh_Soref> ... my understanding is if it were to mimic contacts
14:22:41 <Josh_Soref> ... one would be WebIntents intergration
14:22:46 <Josh_Soref> ... the other would be the data format
14:22:58 <Josh_Soref> ... my understanding is we finished the data format
14:23:03 <Josh_Soref> ... but i think Josh_Soref disagreed on that
14:23:44 <fjh> josh_soref: at the last time we looked we noticed bugs in the calendar data format, didn't handle leap years
14:24:08 <fjh> josh_soref: could live with that bug but given that it took so long to get the comment, not sure about the amount of review
14:24:42 <fjh> josh_soref: need explanation of reason for difference for vcard etc, can take action to look at our implementation
14:25:29 <Josh_Soref> s/vcard/ical/
14:26:02 <Josh_Soref> dcheng3: one idea would be to invite tantek, who's working on the calendar implementation for firefox os
14:26:30 <Josh_Soref> ... so we can see where they want to go
14:26:48 <Josh_Soref> s/tantek/tantek çelik/
14:27:08 <fjh> action: fjh to update F2F agenda for sensor next steps, network information, and to make invitations for mozilla participation
14:27:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-584 - Update F2F agenda for sensor next steps, network information, and to make invitations for mozilla participation [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-24].
14:27:14 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: he's the same person who complained about DAP's contacts api not following the vaporware vCard 4
14:27:36 <Josh_Soref> ... which is why i believe we need to have an explanation of why we aren't using iCal or whatever the IETF format is called
14:27:44 <dsr> (BTW Tantek will be at TPAC)
14:27:53 <Josh_Soref> fjh: anything else about new work that should be discussed at the F2F?
14:28:23 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Action Review
14:28:30 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i've been sending emails to people who have action reviews offline
14:28:35 <Josh_Soref> ... i've gotten back answers from Josh_Soref
14:28:41 <Josh_Soref> ... and darobin , and klaus
14:28:46 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll send a summary at some point
14:28:54 <Josh_Soref> ... i've done my action to contact people about actions
14:29:02 <fjh> close ACTION-582
14:29:02 <trackbot> ACTION-582 Follow up regarding DAP action status offline closed
14:29:10 <fjh> close ACTION-583
14:29:10 <trackbot> ACTION-583 Make publication request for Network Service Discovery closed
14:29:11 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: i'll send a summary based on my response to fjh to the list
14:29:25 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/open
14:29:46 <Josh_Soref> fjh: the most important goal of mine for the f2f
14:29:56 <Josh_Soref> ... is to know what we're doing with webintents
14:30:02 <Josh_Soref> ... and what we're building on webintents
14:30:59 <fjh> goals include 1) convergence of WebIntents with respect to Mozilla and other implementations, details of WebIntents changes (2) progress specs that build on webintents
14:31:16 <fjh> (3) progress docs that are in LC/CR onward on Rec track, discuss testing
14:31:28 <fjh> (4) identify work that needs to be started or worked on
14:31:39 <fjh> also review privacy and security issues
14:31:57 <Josh_Soref> fjh: are there any other big goals i'm forgetting?
14:32:16 <Josh_Soref> topic: AOB
14:32:49 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we don't have a call the week after TPAC
14:32:52 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html
14:33:05 <Josh_Soref> fjh: thanks for taking the time today
14:33:12 <Josh_Soref> [ adjourned ]
14:33:15 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
14:33:15 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:33:15 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been fjh, Jungkee, +49.173.537.aaaa, Dsr, +49.173.537.aabb, +1.781.266.aacc, dcheng3, Cathy, +1.858.651.aadd, +46.1.07.15.aaee, nwidell, Clarke,
14:33:18 <Zakim> ... +1.289.261.aaff, Josh_Soref, gmandyam, SungOk_You
14:33:18 <Zakim> -gmandyam
14:33:19 <Zakim> -fjh
14:33:19 <Zakim> -nwidell
14:33:20 <Zakim> -dcheng3
14:33:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:33:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/17-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:33:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:33:24 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/17-dap-actions.rdf :
14:33:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: fjh to update F2F agenda for sensor next steps, network information, and to make invitations for mozilla participation [1]
14:33:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/17-dap-irc#T14-27-08
14:33:28 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref