IRC log of dap on 2012-10-17

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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 49 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 17 October 2012
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fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda
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Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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Regrets+ Bryan_Sullivan
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Regrets+ Milan_Patel
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Present+ Jungkee_Song
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zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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+fjh; got it
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Zakim, ??P27 is me
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+Jungkee; got it
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+ +49.173.537.aaaa
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Present+ Diana_Cheng
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Present+ SungOk_You
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zakim, aabb is dcheng3
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+dcheng3; got it
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zakim, aacc is me
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+Cathy; got it
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see fjh, Jungkee, Dsr, dcheng3, Cathy
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On IRC I see dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, SungOk_You, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, glenn, dom, tobie, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt, trackbot
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Present+ Alexander_Salas
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Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
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Zakim, ??P1 is me
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+Jungkee; got it
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zakim, who is here
14:04:49 [Zakim]
fjh, you need to end that query with '?'
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+ +
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see fjh, Dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, +1.858.651.aadd, +
14:04:58 [Zakim]
On IRC I see nwidell, Clarke, dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, SungOk_You, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, glenn, dom, tobie, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt, trackbot
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Zakim, aaee is nwidell
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+nwidell; got it
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IRC client configuration change:
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Zakim, gmandyam is Giri_Mandyam
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sorry, gmandyam, I do not recognize a party named 'gmandyam'
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"Web Intents Addendum - Local Services" FPWD published 4 October 2012 -
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Updated working draft of "Network Service Discovery" published 4 October -
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Welcome to new DAP members,
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see fjh, Dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, +1.858.651.aadd, nwidell, Clarke
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Present+ Dave
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On IRC I see gmandyam, nwidell, Clarke, dsr, dcheng3, Cathy, Jungkee, SungOk_You, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, glenn, dom, tobie, mounir, Josh_Soref, richt,
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... trackbot
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ScribeNick: fjh
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Topic: Minutes approval
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+ +1.289.261.aaff
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Zakim, aaff is me
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+Josh_Soref; got it
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14:06:57 [Josh_Soref]
scribe: Josh_Soref
14:07:05 [Josh_Soref]
dsr: I'll be stepping down
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... as team contact
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... i'll be working with Sys Apps
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... it was good working with you
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14:07:26 [fjh]
Much thanks to dsr !
14:07:27 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: much thanks for all that you've done with the group
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14:07:48 [Josh_Soref]
dsr: i'll also be working with NFC when it gets launched
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fjh: thanks a lot dsr
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Topic: Minutes Approval
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Approve 3 October 2012 minutes:
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proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 3 October 2012 are approved.
14:08:27 [Josh_Soref]
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 3 October 2012 are approved.
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s/ScribeNick: fjh//
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Topic: Contacts Web Intent
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CfC to remove search extended to 22 October -
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fjh: bryan gave a UC for search
14:09:11 [gmandyam]
Zakim, aadd is me
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+gmandyam; got it
14:09:18 [Josh_Soref]
... we should probably have this discussion at the F2F
14:09:30 [Jungkee]
14:09:30 [Josh_Soref]
... the discussion is still going on on the list
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topic: Media Capture LC
14:09:39 [fjh]
14:09:47 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: we have the comments on Tracker
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... Josh_Soref, i think you have additional comments that should go to the list
14:10:00 [fjh]
14:10:11 [Zakim]
14:10:18 [Josh_Soref]
... i think we should go through these at the F2F
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... but we have a number of comments that haven't been addressed
14:10:37 [Zakim]
14:10:39 [Josh_Soref]
... we should try to work on these before the F2F
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Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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+SungOk_You; got it
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Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
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+Jungkee; got it
14:10:55 [Josh_Soref]
... i don't think there's time on this call
14:11:12 [Josh_Soref]
... / the right people (anssik)
14:11:17 [Josh_Soref]
... i know shepazu disagreed with our response
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14:12:38 [fjh]
Topic: F2F Agenda review
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14:13:07 [fjh]
fjh: updated to have 17:00 end time on day 2 but depending on discussion may end earlier
14:13:31 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: one subject we'll need to discuss soon
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... is whether browsers are converging
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Tuesday F2F items relevant to DAP
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Media Capture F2F 13:00 - 18:00 (after lunch),
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WebIntents session during WebApps,
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16:45 - 17:45 Web Intents: update, status, Q&A with Web Intents Task Force members. Lead: James Hawkins. (May have remote participants e.g. Greg, Paul)
14:14:54 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i think there's also a web intents session on wednesday during the plenary
14:15:04 [Josh_Soref]
... i know jhawkins won't be there in person
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... the most important thing going forward
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... is browser support
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... especially mozilla support
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... i think the right thing to do is to work on a proposal for the agenda
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... i'll do that with jhawkins and greg
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... does anyone else have comments on the agenda?
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dcheng3: i have a concern about one of the items on the agenda
14:16:22 [Josh_Soref]
... network information api action points
14:16:34 [Josh_Soref]
... i thought in the last F2F we informally killed this spec
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... i don't know if it's reasonable to
14:16:58 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i thought we shelved the previous version
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... but that we had a simplified version we were progressing
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... i'll change the agenda item to be a general topic
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... and figure out what we're doing
14:17:34 [Josh_Soref]
dcheng3: my understanding was that we shelved both versions
14:17:41 [Josh_Soref]
... there were finger printing issues with the first one
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... and the second one had implementability issues
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... and wasn't going to be useful
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... i think Josh_Soref had comments on the mailing list
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Josh_Soref: +1
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14:18:24 [Josh_Soref]
nwidell: one thing i think we should discuss
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14:18:37 [Josh_Soref]
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14:19:18 [Josh_Soref]
nwidell: previously discussed a bit
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... the sensor apis
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... for sensors not on the device
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... i know mozilla doesn't really like this
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... maybe there are other supporters in the group
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... so maybe we should raise the question
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... and see if there are other supporters
14:20:01 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: are you talking about temperature and web intents?
14:20:04 [Josh_Soref]
nwidell: eactly
14:20:14 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: how do we go forward with this?
14:20:21 [Josh_Soref]
nwidell: maybe we put together a presentation for that
14:20:37 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: are you volunteering to do a presentation?
14:20:41 [fjh]
fjh: note to self, add next step for sensor API agenda item
14:20:42 [Josh_Soref]
nwidell: yeah, i can do a short one
14:20:55 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: that'd be great
14:21:11 [Josh_Soref]
... another topic is where do we focus our future efforts
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... does anyone else have comments?
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topic: Calendar
14:22:28 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: the question is whether we should try to progress it
14:22:35 [Josh_Soref]
... my understanding is if it were to mimic contacts
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... one would be WebIntents intergration
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... the other would be the data format
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... my understanding is we finished the data format
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... but i think Josh_Soref disagreed on that
14:23:44 [fjh]
josh_soref: at the last time we looked we noticed bugs in the calendar data format, didn't handle leap years
14:24:08 [fjh]
josh_soref: could live with that bug but given that it took so long to get the comment, not sure about the amount of review
14:24:42 [fjh]
josh_soref: need explanation of reason for difference for vcard etc, can take action to look at our implementation
14:25:29 [Josh_Soref]
14:26:02 [Josh_Soref]
dcheng3: one idea would be to invite tantek, who's working on the calendar implementation for firefox os
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... so we can see where they want to go
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s/tantek/tantek ├želik/
14:27:08 [fjh]
action: fjh to update F2F agenda for sensor next steps, network information, and to make invitations for mozilla participation
14:27:08 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-584 - Update F2F agenda for sensor next steps, network information, and to make invitations for mozilla participation [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-24].
14:27:14 [Josh_Soref]
Josh_Soref: he's the same person who complained about DAP's contacts api not following the vaporware vCard 4
14:27:36 [Josh_Soref]
... which is why i believe we need to have an explanation of why we aren't using iCal or whatever the IETF format is called
14:27:44 [dsr]
(BTW Tantek will be at TPAC)
14:27:53 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: anything else about new work that should be discussed at the F2F?
14:28:23 [Josh_Soref]
Topic: Action Review
14:28:30 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: i've been sending emails to people who have action reviews offline
14:28:35 [Josh_Soref]
... i've gotten back answers from Josh_Soref
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... and darobin , and klaus
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... i'll send a summary at some point
14:28:54 [Josh_Soref]
... i've done my action to contact people about actions
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close ACTION-582
14:29:02 [trackbot]
ACTION-582 Follow up regarding DAP action status offline closed
14:29:10 [fjh]
close ACTION-583
14:29:10 [trackbot]
ACTION-583 Make publication request for Network Service Discovery closed
14:29:11 [Josh_Soref]
Josh_Soref: i'll send a summary based on my response to fjh to the list
14:29:25 [fjh]
14:29:46 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: the most important goal of mine for the f2f
14:29:56 [Josh_Soref]
... is to know what we're doing with webintents
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... and what we're building on webintents
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goals include 1) convergence of WebIntents with respect to Mozilla and other implementations, details of WebIntents changes (2) progress specs that build on webintents
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(3) progress docs that are in LC/CR onward on Rec track, discuss testing
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(4) identify work that needs to be started or worked on
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also review privacy and security issues
14:31:57 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: are there any other big goals i'm forgetting?
14:32:16 [Josh_Soref]
topic: AOB
14:32:49 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: we don't have a call the week after TPAC
14:32:52 [fjh]
14:33:05 [Josh_Soref]
fjh: thanks for taking the time today
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[ adjourned ]
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been fjh, Jungkee, +49.173.537.aaaa, Dsr, +49.173.537.aabb, +1.781.266.aacc, dcheng3, Cathy, +1.858.651.aadd, +, nwidell, Clarke,
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... +1.289.261.aaff, Josh_Soref, gmandyam, SungOk_You
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14:33:23 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in :
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ACTION: fjh to update F2F agenda for sensor next steps, network information, and to make invitations for mozilla participation [1]
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