IRC log of ua on 2012-10-12

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Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 12 October 2012
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Topic: 1.1
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1.1.1 Example: Brin is deaf. The video player she is using has a button displayed beneath the playing video that indicates that captions are available. She clicks the button to toggle the captions on so she can understand the video. On her mobile phone, Brin touches a video, which displays the controls including the "display caption" control.
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1.1.1 Example: Brin is deaf. The video player she is using has a button displayed beneath the playing video that indicates that captions are available. She clicks the button to toggle the captions on so she can understand the video. On her mobile phone, Brin touches a video, which displays the controls including the "display caption" control.
13:33:06 [Kathy]
Ben has low vision. In the mobile settings dialog box, he chooses to always display the alternative ("fallback") content for embedded objects, such as videos and images. On the mobile phone, the text version of the images is shown.
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1.1.2
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Ben has low vision. In the mobile settings dialog box, he chooses to always display the alternative ("fallback") content for embedded objects, such as images. Images become pixelated so on the mobile phone, the text version of the images is preferred.
13:37:05 [Kathy]
Ben has low vision. In the mobile settings dialog box, he chooses to always display the alternative ("fallback") content for embedded objects, such as images. Images become pixelated so on the mobile phone, so he prefers the text version of the images.
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1.1.3
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a is watching a video on her mobile phone and wants to turn on the caption controls. She has her phone configured so that she has a presistent control that will allow her to access the video controls. The button for the controls can be moved around the small screen, and after 3 seconds, it becomes transparent.
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s/ a is watching /Jaime is watching
13:48:43 [Kathy]
Jaime is deaf and prefers to always display captions on her mobile phone. She has set her global settings on the phone to turn on closed captions. All videos displayed on the phone will automatically display captions.
13:49:09 [Kathy]
Jaime is deaf and prefers to always display captions on her mobile phone. She has set her video settings on the phone to turn on closed captions. All videos displayed on the phone will automatically display captions.
13:52:29 [mark_]
1.1.4 *NEW EXAMPLE* Ben has low vision and prefers to display the longer alternative content (@alt or @title) on his desktop browser where his display allows. When using his mobile device, Ben has configured his device to display the shortest alternative content available for non-text content.
13:53:49 [jeanne]
1.1.3 example: Ben has low vision that becomes worse throughout the day as he becomes more tired. He keeps a floating control on his mobile phone that allows one touch access to his configuration. The floating control can be easily moved around the screen so it is not in the way of other controls, and it becomes translucent after it is idle for a few seconds.
13:55:20 [jeanne]
1.1.3 : Ben has low vision that becomes worse throughout the day as he becomes more tired. He keeps a floating control on his mobile phone that allows one touch access to his configuration so that he can change the font size. The floating control can be easily moved around the screen so it is not in the way of other controls, and it becomes translucent after it is idle for a few seconds.
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1.1.5 When Tom watches narrow-aspect video on a wide-aspect screen or in landscape mode on his mobile device, he moves the window displaying sign language interpretation to the side, allowing the primary video to take up the entire height of the screen without the interpretation getting in the way.
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Topic: 1.2
14:06:28 [jeanne]
1.2.1 the Intent is not clear. In particular, the second paragraph doesn't seem like it belongs here, and actually belongs with SC on overflow control. Recommend moving that paragraph and put in a link under related resources.
14:07:02 [jeanne]
1.2 would not add value by adding mobile examples.
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Topic: 1.3
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X wants a visible focus indicator to know what element on the page has focus so when gestures are used on the mobile phone, he will know what element will be activated.
14:15:42 [jeanne]
1.3.2 - no mobile example needed.
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1.3.1 X wants a visible focus indicator to know what element on the page has focus so when gestures are used on the mobile phone, he will know what element will be activated.
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1.3.1 - George has limited hand use and uses custom gestures on his mobile phone. He wants a visible focus indicator to know what element on the page has focus so when gestures are used on the mobile phone, he will know what element will be activated.
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Topic: 1.4
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Ben has low vision. In the mobile settings dialog box, he chooses to large text for font size. All applications on the mobile phone display text in large font.
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discussion of Zoom feature vs. text configuration. PWD - limited hand mobility would not want extra gestures for zoom and default font size would be more important. APple Music player has fixed size for artist and title.
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Topic: 1.5 & 1.6
14:27:49 [jeanne]
While mobile applies, further examples would not add value.
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Topic 1.7
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1.5 Add personas and disabilities to examples
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Discussion of existing stylesheets on mobile. Safari has a bookmarklet that allows you to import stylesheets.
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1.7.1, 1.7.2, 1.7.3 Lee has low vision and finds text easiest to read text on her mobile device when it is presented in yellow on a black background. She has configured her browser to override the author stylesheets to always display text in her browser using this color scheme.
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Tanya browses to a new website on her mobile phone and finds that the site is not optimized for mobile devices. She alters the stylesheet to provide better layout and larger fonts. The custom settings for the stylesheet are saved and applied when she returns.
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Chair: Kim
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Topic: 1.7
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Topic: 1.8
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Discussion of applicability of 1.8 to mobile. Existing mobile does not have multiple viewports. While it may in the future, adding mobile examples may confuse the readers.
14:44:47 [Kathy]
Mattias has ADHD and finds text easiest to read text if text is highlighted in blue as it is being read out loud. This highlight and text color should be configurable and override the author stylesheets so text is readable and has sufficient color contrast.
14:46:55 [jeanne]
above example is for 1.7.3
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1.8.2 Lee typically views web content on her mobile phone at a high level of zoom, frequently positioning elements outside the viewport. When moving between focusable elements, the viewport automatically scrolls to the element currently in focus.
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Protofluid (javascript library) can show different sizes of screen and different orientations.
15:00:33 [jeanne]
RWD bookmarklet for Chrome does the same thing.
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.disabilitystatistics.org%2Fglossary.cfm%3Fg_id%3D273%26view%3Dtrue&ei=FDR4UMC2AtC40gHDw4A4&usg=AFQjCNFlpQgHTnoNm8yNP-P2Desr4SvpHQ&sig2=f347YIZAEshAr3prmIzEVg
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http://www.disabilitystatistics.org/ <- statistics for U.S. Disabilities
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1.8.6 example 1 *EDIT* "She opens a web application ^THAT^ uses small text fonts"
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1.8.6 When Tanya views a web site on her mobile phone, she first scans the website at a very small size to guess where she wants to zoom in first. The zoom feature increases the size of both text and images.
15:31:38 [jeanne]
1.8.7 - change the Xu example to a mobile device.
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1.8.4 Terry has memory issues. She configures her mobile computer so that scrollbars are always on so she can instantly see where she is in a document.
15:31:46 [mark_]
1.8.6 Ally has cognitive issues that make it difficult to orient. When looking at a map on her mobile device, she must frequently zoom in to view her current location or destination and zoom out to put the location into the context of the large map.
15:32:06 [mark_]
...larger map.
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zakim, Admin is really Kim
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sorry, jeanne, I do not recognize a party named 'Admin'
15:37:05 [mark_]
1.8.7 last sentence of first example *EDIT* The text is reduced to a co^M^fortable
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action: Jeanne to propose to split up the IER for 1.8.8 Viewport History, 1.8.9 Open on Request & 1.8.10 Do not take focus.
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Created ACTION-769 - Propose to split up the IER for 1.8.8 Viewport History, 1.8.9 Open on Request & 1.8.10 Do not take focus. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2012-10-19].
15:52:15 [jeanne]
1.8.11 - same UI doesn't need a mobile example.
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1.8.8 Ray is blind. His mobile device automatically opens location links and calendar dates found on web pages in native apps available on the device. When he returns to the browser, focus on the original link is maintained.
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1.8.12 Reflowing Zoom. When Frank is using his mobile phone to read a web page, he will zoom in to read a article on a web site. He configures his mobile phone so that the text reflows to always display zoomed content to fit in one column.
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1.8.13: Add to Jamie:
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Jamie also uses bookmarks on her mobile phone to cut down on scrolling.
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1.10.1 *EDIT* Example 2 "Courtney has a cogn^T^ive disability that"
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1.10.2 there is no difference on the mobile devices. No example needed.
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Karen uses gestures to navigate her mobile phone. As focus moves from one element to another, there is a visble focus indicator.
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Topic: 2.1
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2.1.1 Karen uses gestures to navigate her mobile phone. As focus moves from one element to another, there is a visble focus indicator.
17:59:04 [jeanne]
2.1.2 will have a speech example from Kim
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2.1.3 Keyboard Trap does not apply to mobile.
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... group could not come up with any examples of keyboard trap on mobile devices.
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2.1.4 Kathy will write
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2.1.5 does not apply
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2.1.6 just is applicable to keyboard
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2.1.4 Ari uses Voiceover on his iPhone to navigate a webpage. He selects an item and is able to activate the element using gestures. This requires sufficient screen real estate to perform gestures without changing focus.
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2.2.1 George is blind and uses a screenreader on his computer and the voice announce feature of his mobile phone. When completing a web form on his phone, he uses the Next key to advance through the form. If George goes past the next form field, or wishes to return to a previous form field, he can use the back key.
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2.1.2 Jeremy is a speech-input user who cannot use his hands to control his mobile computer. He opens a webpage using a speech command. The webpage has a search field, and normally comes up with the keyboard focus in the search field. Jeremy sees the indicator in the search field and knows he does not have to navigate to the search fieldbefore saying a search term.
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2.1.6 George is blind and uses gestures on his mobile device to move focus to the top of the page, return to the previous web page and activate links.
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Jeff has a mobility impairment. He uses gestures to navigate the page. When he reaches the last active element on the page there is an indicator that the end of the page is reached before changing focus (e.g. wrapping to the top, switching pages).
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2.2.4
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2.3.1 On her mobile phone, Mary uses a single speech command to launch the app, rather than having to use multiple commands to page through screens to find the app icon and activate it.
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2.3.4 Neta has a repetitive strain injury. She relies on gestures and shortcuts to complete tasks. Using a specialize command, she can pull up a list of all the commands that can be completed in that context.
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2.3.2 When reading email on her tablet, Mary touches a control which opens a toolbar with a setting to display the accesskeys and other direct commands that the author created. She sees that a 3-finger swipe will delete the current email.
19:03:20 [jeanne]
2.4.2 is more important for mobile, but it is not platorm dependednt.
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Topic: 2.4
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Topic: 2.5
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When Armand is using the speech feature on his smartphone surfing the web, he can navigate from heading to heading using gesture commands.
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2.5.1 When Armand is using the speech feature on his smartphone surfing the web, he can navigate from heading to heading using gesture commands.
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2.3.3 Mary cannot use the mouse or keyboard due to a repetitive strain injury. On her mobile phone, Mary uses a single speech command to launch the app, rather than having to use multiple commands to page through screens to find the app icon and activate it.
19:11:36 [Admin]
Corrected 2.3.1 Mary cannot use the mouse or keyboard due to a repetitive strain injury. On her mobile phone, Mary uses a single speech command to select the app, rather than having to use multiple commands to page through screens to find the app icon and activate it.
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2.5.2 Armand is blind. When he is using the speech feature on his smartphone surfing the web, Armand can navigate from heading to heading using gesture commands.
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Topic: 2.6
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2.6.1 Ingrid has low vision. When navigating a page with a smartphone, she can use both keyboard and gestures to navigate within the page.
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Topic: 2.7
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2.7.1 Betty is a low vision user and has a highly customized color palette defined in her browser. By saving her customizations to a cloud-based storage service, her preferences can easily be transferred to other desktop and mobile browsers that she uses.
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2.7.2 Kathy accidently turns on a zoom feature on her smartphone and cannot figure out how to turn it off. She gestures to navigate to the preferences menus and selects a command to reset preferences to default.
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2.7.5 Jeanette is a low vision user who has configured her smartphone to show text in a particular font and size with specific color settings. She has recently upgraded her phone and sets up the her new phone by transferring these settings through the bluetooth features on her phone.
19:32:09 [Admin]
2.7.4 Jan is easily confused by new interfaces. She tries out the voiceover capabilities on her mobile phone, but then can't figure out how to turn them off. She connects the device to her computer and restores the default settings.
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Topic: 2.8
19:33:32 [jeanne]
2.8.1 has a mobile example
19:34:05 [jeanne]
2.8.2 is the same for mobile, it would not add value.
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2.9
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Topic: 2.9
19:34:38 [jeanne]
no added value with mobile examples
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2.10 Flash
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no added value with mobile
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Topic: 2.11
19:37:27 [jeanne]
2.11.2 same for mobile, no added value.
19:38:04 [mark_s]
2.11.1 Betty is a low vision user and has difficulty reading text on her mobile device when it is displayed over a background image. Using her user-defined style sheet, she can disable all background images from being rendered in her browser.
19:40:45 [jeanne]
2.11.3 Evan has configured his mobile phone to so that any audio or video file displays a placeholder with a triangle "play" icon, so that he can control when the audio or video starts.
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Topic: 2.12
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2.12.1 Armand is a blind and uses a bluetooth braille keyboard to interact with his mobile device. He should expect his mobile browser to accept and properly process input from any braille keyboard supported by his mobile operating system.
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3.3.2 Neta has a repetitive strain injury. She relies on gestures and shortcuts to complete tasks. Using a specialize command, she can pull up a list of all the gestures commands available with descriptions on how they function.
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Topic: Principle 3
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