IRC log of tt on 2012-10-11

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Zakim, this will be TTML
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ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 11 October 2012
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Agenda: our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time, the correct time of this teleconference in your locale may change. Please check http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=11&year=2012&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p1=43 Thursdays 15:00-15:00 UTC (10:00am-11:00am Boston local) Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference 8865 ("TTML") IRC: server: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #tt Web gateway to :http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
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SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started
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Agenda is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0023.html
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+Andreas
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, Microsoft is mmartin3
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+mmartin3; got it
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Regrets Michael Dolan
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Regrets Sean Hayes
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+pal
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+ +1.408.771.aaaa
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zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been Andreas, mmartin3, pal, +1.408.771.aaaa, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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zakim, Andrew_Kirkpatrick is mijordan
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+mijordan; got it
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Agenda is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0023.html
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been Andreas, mmartin3, pal, +1.408.771.aaaa, mijordan
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Chair Everyone
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scribe mmartin3
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+ +1.212.664.aabb
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zakim, .aabb is tbause
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sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named '.aabb'
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zakim, 1.212.664.aabb is tbause
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sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named '1.212.664.aabb'
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zakim, aabb is tbause
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+tbause; got it
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Issues and questions
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Text outline doesn't handle different types of character edge.
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http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html
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R0037 The user must be able to specify the rendering of character edge types of: none, raised, depressed, uniform or drop shadowed edges.
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mmartin3: Explains issues and cites Glenn's concerns.
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mijordan: Add to future features is the right approach.
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mmartin3: SMPTE liaison statement asks this be considered for a future version.
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Issue mmartin3 Textoutline doesn't handle specific edge types outlined in R0037. Need to revise requirement and specify in Future Needs sections.
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Issue: Textoutline doesn't handle specific edge types outlined in R0037. Need to revise requirement and specify in Future Needs sections.
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Created ISSUE-191 - Textoutline doesn't handle specific edge types outlined in R0037. Need to revise requirement and specify in Future Needs sections. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191/edit .
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EBU comment
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Do we need to limit chars per line to target particular devices to adhere to FCC requirements for screen windows?
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R0041
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At most 32 characters must be present in any displayed text line.
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mmartin3: Explains issues.
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...Compatibility to EBU-TT.
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andreas: We couldn't find a workaround.
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...Teletext too.
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...Manual conversion
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mmartin3: Does making this a should address your concern?
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andreas: Difficult for EBU-TT.
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...OK, for a should.
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Issue: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD.
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Created ISSUE-192 - R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/192/edit .
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pal: What about the safe region in CEA-708D.
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mmartin3: This is part of this question.
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...We could put text that speaks to root container for regions?
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c/pal/mijordan
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....TTML allows for inside and possibly invisible text. Relates to Issue-180 and Actions 104, 105.
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from FCC 00-259 page 34: "(j) Pen Size. Decoders must support the standard, large, and small pen sizes and must allow the caption provider to choose a pen size and allow the viewer to choose an alternative size. The STANDARD pen size should be implemented such that the height of the tallest character in any implemented font is no taller than 1/15 of the height of the safe-title area, and the width of the widest character is no wider than 1/32 of the width of t
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+Plh
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f the safe-title area for 4:3 displays and 1/42 of the safe-title area width for 16:9 displays. The LARGE pen size should be implemented such that the width of the widest character in any implemented font is no wider than 1/32 of the safe-title area for 16:9 displays. This recommendation allows for captions to grow to a LARGE pen size without having to reformat the caption since no caption will have more than 32 characters per row." [it appears the FCC left ou
14:28:34 [mmartin3]
np
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mijordan: Accounts for decoder and the authored content.
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...Make sure that we have constraints to support maximum compatibility with different players.
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...Few folks are doing captions using 1/42.
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...mijordan and mmartin3 will work on a proposal
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Action: mmartin3 mijordan Create a proposal for Issue-191.
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Created ACTION-115 - Mijordan Create a proposal for Issue-191. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-10-18].
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Action: mmartin3 mijordan work on a proposal for Issue-192.
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Created ACTION-116 - Mijordan work on a proposal for Issue-192. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-10-18].
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c/chair/plh
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issue-182?
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ISSUE-182 -- Allow more than one profile to be used in the SDP-US. Add use of ttp:profile element. -- open
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/182
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Issue-182?
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ISSUE-182 -- Allow more than one profile to be used in the SDP-US. Add use of ttp:profile element. -- open
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/182
14:34:57 [plh]
Monica: this relates to issue 183 as well
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... comments on what the profile was for
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Proposal in issue http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/182
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[[
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1. Language in Section 1 that indicates use of other profiles is not precluded; retain URI requirement for this profile.
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2. The profile element to the list of elements in R0007, Section 5.2.2.
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3. Language in Section 5.4.2 that articulates how multiple profile elements may exist.
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]]
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...Relates to Issue-183
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0020.html
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Proposal from Mike Dolan
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Monica: proposal is pretty good
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... it concentrates on doc conformance rather processor constraints
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Leave open Issue-182 until we have resolved Issue-183.
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action-98?
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ACTION-98 -- Monica Martin to revise proposal Section 7.1.1 on Active Regions -- due 2012-09-20 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/98
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close action-98
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ACTION-98 Revise proposal Section 7.1.1 on Active Regions closed
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action-94?
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ACTION-94 -- Sean Hayes to do revisions to proposal for Issue 179. -- due 2012-09-06 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/94
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action-95?
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ACTION-95 -- Philippe Le H├ęgaret to report on status of media type registration -- due 2012-10-04 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/95
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plh: Sent request.
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...Report on Oct 15.
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Action-111?
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ACTION-111 -- Mike Dolan to proposal to close Issue-183 - identify revisions in TTML 1.0 SE. -- due 2012-10-11 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/111
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close action-111
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ACTION-111 Proposal to close Issue-183 - identify revisions in TTML 1.0 SE. closed
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Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0020.html
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Action-109?
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ACTION-109 -- Mike Dolan to provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE. -- due 2012-10-11 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/109
14:45:18 [mmartin3]
Issue-189 Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0021.html
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issue-188?
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ISSUE-188 -- Bounding SDP-US rendering complexity -- open
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188
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Issue-188?
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ISSUE-188 -- Bounding SDP-US rendering complexity -- open
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/188
14:47:05 [mmartin3]
...pal: Excellent feedback.
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mmartin3: Hope to close Oct 15.
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issue-190?
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ISSUE-190 -- Background vs Window Color -- open
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/190
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Courtney: Can close Issue-190. Read TTML, profile. Close?
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plh: Leave open for Sean to create an example.
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mmartin3: Use and revise TTML 1.0 examples.
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Leave open.
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Meetings
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Topic: Meetings
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plh: Extend meeting or have a second.
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been Andreas, mmartin3, pal, +1.408.771.aaaa, mijordan, +1.212.664.aabb, tbause, Plh
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-tbause
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-pal
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-tt-minutes.html mmartin3
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-Plh
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- +1.408.771.aaaa
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-tt-minutes.html trackbot
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-Andreas
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-tt-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: mmartin3 mijordan Create a proposal for Issue-191. [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-tt-irc#T14-33-36
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ACTION: mmartin3 mijordan work on a proposal for Issue-192. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-tt-irc#T14-33-56