21:01:08 RRSAgent has joined #svg 21:01:08 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-svg-irc 21:01:10 RRSAgent, make logs public 21:01:12 Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG 21:01:13 Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference 21:01:13 Date: 11 October 2012 21:01:13 ok, trackbot, I see GA_SVGWG(SVG1)5:00PM already started 21:01:18 krit1 has joined #svg 21:01:39 Zakim, who is here? 21:01:39 On the phone I see [IPcaller] 21:01:46 Zakim, IPcaller is me 21:01:46 +birtles; got it 21:02:06 +[IPcaller] 21:02:25 Zakim, [IP is me 21:02:25 +ed; got it 21:02:38 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012OctDec/0005.html 21:02:44 + +1.415.832.aaaa 21:03:00 Zakim, is me 21:03:00 I don't understand 'is me', krit1 21:03:08 Zakim, aaaa is me 21:03:08 +krit1; got it 21:04:05 regrets+ cyril 21:05:22 ed: and heycam 21:05:38 while we're waiting, if you haven't filled out the telcon time page, please do (and make sure your UTC offset is correct for *after* nov 6) 21:05:55 regrets+ heycam 21:05:58 +Tav 21:06:06 ed: where is this page? 21:06:10 http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/index.pl 21:06:26 +Doug_Schepers 21:08:03 chair: ed 21:08:25 http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=8&month=11&year=2012&p1=195&p2=224&p3=207&p4=240&p5=248&iv=0 21:10:48 if you're looking for UTC offsets, see here e.g: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month=11&day=8&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=195&p2=224&p3=207&p4=240&p5=248 21:13:47 so, 21 UTC looks pretty ok 21:14:09 http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/index.pl?op=impossible 21:15:54 proposal: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month=11&day=8&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=195&p2=224&p3=207&p4=240&p5=248 21:18:47 RESOLUTION: we'll have the telcon thursdays 21.00-22.30 UTC starting 8 November 2012 21:20:14 scribeNick: ed 21:20:22 topic: TPAC telcon (nov 1) 21:20:25 Zakim, who is on the phone? 21:20:25 On the phone I see birtles, ed, krit1, Tav, Doug_Schepers 21:20:45 dirk: i won't be at tpac thu-fri 21:21:16 ds: i'll be there 21:21:59 ED: let's cancel the nov 1 telcon then 21:22:14 topic: Filter Effects 1.0 publication status 21:22:48 ed: ready to be published, transition request approved 21:23:18 ... pending pubrules checks and actual publication 21:23:52 dirk: think the spec is in good shape 21:24:08 topic: radialGradient @fr 21:24:15 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2012Oct/0001.html 21:24:46 dirk: not very controversial, can fr be larger than r? 21:25:09 ... think it should be able to 21:25:13 ... canvas allows it 21:25:47 tav: didn't we already decide to follow canvas? 21:25:57 +cabanier 21:27:00 ed: did you find any content relying on the old behaviour (apart from the testsuite)? 21:27:12 dirk: one comment from dr olaf hoffmann 21:27:23 ... and maybe there was something from dailey too 21:28:12 ed: so, in the webkit impl now there's no clamping, just the same as in canvas? 21:28:15 dirk: correct 21:29:32 ed: do we want to move the testcase in the testsuite back to draft status, or just leave it as-is? 21:29:43 dirk: let's leave it and then make new testcases instead 21:30:31 ed: will check if we have any content relying on the old behaviour internally 21:31:16 topic: css clip property 21:31:31 dirk: csswg resolved to move clip to the css masking spec 21:31:55 ... clip is different in SVG 1.1, due to reference to CSS2.0 21:32:38 ... the behaviour for auto is different, we should follow css2.1 21:32:55 ED: we've already decided to follow css2.1 I think, so that should be fine 21:33:34 ... my experience with 'clip' in svg content is that it's unreliable across browsers 21:34:03 dirk: it's also limited to applying to elemetns that establish viewports 21:34:41 ... if csswg wants to keep it then maybe it should apply to more elements 21:35:05 ... but if they want to deprecate it, then leave it more or less as it is 21:35:52 ed: there's a lack of tests for 'clip' in the svg testsuite 21:36:02 dirk: we should start writing more tests for svg 21:36:43 ... can we resolve that clip: auto has no effect in svg? 21:37:02 ed: does it have an effect in html? 21:37:09 dirk: no, no effect 21:37:36 ed: ok, in that case svg should do the same (that is have no effect) 21:38:11 RESOLUTION: clip: 'auto' should have no effect in svg 21:38:20 s/svg/svg2 21:39:02 topic: removing masking & clipping from svg2 spec 21:39:24 dirk: can i remove the parts in svg2, and reference css masking instead? 21:39:35 ... like we do for filter effects 21:39:40 rik: sounds reasonable 21:40:19 ed: as long as it keeps backwards compat that should be fine 21:40:47 tav: should have a short paragraph of text for masking/clipping in svg2 still 21:40:54 dirk: ok, i can do that 21:41:39 RESOLUTION: svg2 will reference CSS Masking 21:42:19 topic: connectors 21:42:38 tav: we talked about ports being defined in objbbox space 21:43:02 ... should be defined in userspace so that if a rect gets skewed the ports move with the shape 21:43:30 ... so that if you transform the shape the ports get transformed too 21:44:08 shepazu: was thinking precentages as being defined in css, relative to bbox 21:44:21 dirk: that's a different thing 21:44:40 ... i'd agree with tav 21:45:49 shepazu: if i said something was 50% x and 100% y, and it was in a rect, i'd expect that to be in the 50%,100% bbox of the shape not of the parent 21:46:16 tav: ok, but if you skew the rect, so the points move with the sides 21:46:38 shepazu: if you say that's what it means that's fine 21:47:42 ... what would you expect if i had a rect 100x50 21:48:12 ... and a point inside that, x,y = 50,50 21:48:27 ... where would you expect that to be, if the rect's x,y was 100,100 21:48:56 tav: the center of the bottom of the box 21:50:27 21:50:41 -Tav 21:51:23 +Tav 21:52:59 shepazu: in the example i just pasted in, you'd expect the point in abs coords 150,150? 21:53:10 tav: yes 21:53:17 shepazu: that's what i'd want 21:53:30 tav: the pretransformed bbox 21:54:09 ... the connector shouldn't be defined in terms of the object 21:54:20 ... they don't belong to the object 21:54:27 shepazu: do you mean 150,125? 21:54:29 shepazu: they do, but it's different 21:55:32 RESOLUTION: points inside shape elements are in the coordinate space of the shape element 21:56:20 tav: shepazu you're working on the connectors spec now? 21:56:42 shepazu: yes, cleaned up on the flight back 21:57:02 -birtles 21:59:14 topic: wpd (svgwow) 21:59:32 shepazu: svg wow demos? 21:59:53 ed: had a plan to move the published content to github, will try to do that soon 22:00:17 ... should make it easier for ppl 22:01:09 http://webplatform.org 22:02:05 dirk: svg parts are lacking polish 22:02:15 shepazu: please help out with that :) 22:02:36 dirk: it's hard to find things 22:02:53 shepazu: it will get better 22:03:12 -Doug_Schepers 22:03:17 -Tav 22:03:18 -ed 22:03:23 -krit1 22:03:32 -cabanier 22:03:33 GA_SVGWG(SVG1)5:00PM has ended 22:03:33 Attendees were birtles, [IPcaller], ed, +1.415.832.aaaa, krit1, Tav, Doug_Schepers, cabanier 22:04:08 trackbot, end telcon 22:04:08 Zakim, list attendees 22:04:08 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 22:04:16 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 22:04:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-svg-minutes.html trackbot 22:04:17 RRSAgent, bye 22:04:17 I see no action items