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15:59:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
15:59:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:59:53 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:53 <trackbot> Date: 11 October 2012
16:00:01 <Zakim> +cabanier
16:00:06 <jaymunro> zakim, Microsoft has me
16:00:06 <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
16:00:23 <Zakim> +Sam
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16:00:49 <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012OctDec/0002.html
16:00:51 <Zakim> + +1.626.379.aaaa
16:00:56 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:01:07 <Zakim> +[Apple]
16:01:07 <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
16:01:08 <Zakim> +hober; got it
16:01:16 <paulc__> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
16:01:17 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
16:01:22 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
16:01:39 <paulc__> I will need a scribe for this meeting.
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16:02:02 <Zakim> +??P2
16:02:08 <janina> zakim, ??P2 is Janina
16:02:08 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
16:02:17 <cabanier> scribenick: cabanier
16:02:30 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aaa]
16:02:32 <paulc__> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], cabanier, Sam, +1.626.379.aaaa, [Microsoft.a], hober, [Microsoft.aa], Janina, [Microsoft.aaa]
16:02:34 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has paulc
16:02:34 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
16:02:37 <adrianba_> zakim, [Microsoft.aaa] is me
16:02:37 <Zakim> +adrianba_; got it
16:02:45 <Zakim> +Plh
16:02:52 <paulc__> rssagent, generate minutes
16:03:21 <Zakim> +bryan_
16:03:48 <adrianba_> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba_
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16:05:04 <paulc__> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:05:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], cabanier, Sam, +1.626.379.aaaa, [Microsoft.a], hober, [Microsoft.aa], Janina, adrianba_, Plh, bryan_, ddorwin
16:05:07 <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has paulc
16:05:07 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
16:05:21 <Zakim> +Wayne_Carr
16:05:24 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:05:35 <bryan> present+ Bryan_Sullivan
16:05:41 <cabanier> paulc__:  we have a large number of topics
16:05:43 <cabanier> topic: actionitems due by Thursday, October 11: ACTION-222: Create a preference poll for the appcache mailing list
16:05:54 <paulc__> Action-222?
16:05:54 <trackbot> ACTION-222 -- Maciej Stachowiak to create a preference poll for the appcache mailing list -- due 2012-09-27 -- OPEN
16:05:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/222
16:06:02 <cabanier> paulc__:  is Maciej here?
16:06:23 <Eliot_> zakim, microsoft has jaymunro, eliot
16:06:23 <Zakim> jaymunro was already listed in [Microsoft], Eliot_
16:06:24 <Zakim> +eliot; got it
16:06:34 <cabanier> paulc__:  this action is still pending. Maciej is holding off because people were proposing a separate mailing list
16:06:54 <cabanier> paulc: let's make this action item due on oct 18
16:06:59 <adrianba_> action-222 due oct 18
16:06:59 <trackbot> ACTION-222 Create a preference poll for the appcache mailing list due date now oct 18
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16:07:17 <cabanier> topic: TPAC F2F meeting planning, Chair
16:07:29 <cabanier> paulc__:  registration will go up after oct 16
16:07:52 <cabanier> paulc__: 44 people from the WG have registered and 40 observers
16:08:11 <cabanier> paulc__: the venue is identical to the one 2 years ago
16:08:34 <cabanier> paulc__: we have the exact same rooms. There will be polycom but unsure of the quality
16:08:51 <cabanier> paulc__: we will have to set call in numbers
16:09:16 <cabanier> cynthia: I will call in
16:09:31 <cabanier> topic:  HTML WG F2F meeting agenda topics, Nov 1-2
16:09:39 <cabanier> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/TPAC2012
16:09:55 <cabanier> paulc__: please update the wiki with agenda topics
16:10:13 <cabanier> paulc__:  …during the meeting we will create the times
16:10:30 <cabanier> paulc__: …anyone have any questions about the topics?
16:10:32 <adrianba_> i just added a request for the media extension specs
16:12:09 <cabanier> janina: some of us are spending thursday and friday in a different working group
16:12:24 <cabanier> paulc__: does the accessiblity discuss this yet?
16:13:05 <cabanier> janina: I'm not aware if we have much of an agenda for HTML at this TPAC
16:14:01 <cabanier> topic: dopt "Plan 2014" and make some specific related decisions,
16:14:09 <cabanier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Oct/0026.html
16:14:31 <cabanier> paulc__: this was discussed on the ally call before this meeting
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16:14:55 <cabanier> paulc__: so far the response was positive and questions
16:15:06 <Zakim> + +1.613.491.aabb
16:15:09 <cabanier> paulc__: … and it looks like it will pass
16:15:13 <MartinSoukup> zakim, aabb is me
16:15:13 <Zakim> +MartinSoukup; got it
16:15:19 <cabanier> topic: HTML 5.0 "Features at Risk",
16:15:33 <cabanier> paulc__: we want people to be aware of the at-risk features
16:15:52 <cabanier> paulc__: …we need this list when we get the CR ready
16:16:05 <cabanier> link: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/index.php?title=HTML5.0AtRiskFeatures
16:16:36 <cabanier> paulc__: …there is a fair number of items
16:17:07 <cabanier> paulc__: …both in HTML and Canvas2D. we will need a consensus in the WG on what this means
16:17:26 <cabanier> paulc__: if there is no implementation, we will have to drop this features
16:18:18 <cabanier> paulc__: the chairs are expecting that we will go to last call to go over the process requirement behond features at risk
16:18:39 <cabanier> topic: Publication of Heartbeat Working Drafts
16:19:30 <cabanier> paulc__: the current status is that HTML5: Web Developers Edition is not quite ready
16:19:37 <cabanier> paulc__: …all the other are
16:19:54 <cabanier> paulc__: …we are hoping to publish on Oct22
16:19:59 <jaymunro> Canvas should be ok but it needs to be taken from html5_canvas, not Master. 
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16:20:08 <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 3 new commits to heartbeat-201210: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/8a8aa8725bf7...8d14c0d4a960
16:20:08 <gitbot> [html/heartbeat-201210] progress; pubrules can take args - Robin Berjon
16:20:10 <gitbot> [html/heartbeat-201210] cherry picked 7299180159ec4748e511429de842c5375656733a - Sam Ruby
16:20:10 <cabanier> paulc__: does anyone have questions?
16:20:13 <gitbot> [html/heartbeat-201210] Correcting encoding of cldr.inc and entities.inc (from UCS-2 big endian to UTF-8) - Erika Doyle Navara
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16:20:41 <cabanier> paulc__: last time we published was in March (which is more than 3 months)
16:20:53 <cabanier> topic: http://webplatform.org/ announcement,
16:20:59 <cabanier> http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9589
16:21:04 <cabanier> http://blog.webplatform.org/
16:21:26 <cabanier> Philip: this is a website by the w3c and several companies
16:21:38 <cabanier> Philip: …this is a wiki and anyone can update
16:22:09 <cabanier> Philip: …the site is just beginning but already got a lot of edits since Monday
16:22:16 <Eliot_> q+
16:22:23 <cabanier> Philip: …it would be nice if the WG takes a lot
16:22:36 <cabanier> Philip: …we hope people contribute and make it better
16:22:52 <cabanier> paulc__: what is the relation between w3c and the website
16:23:12 <cabanier> Philip: we provide the structure behind it but we don't control it
16:23:39 <plh> ack Eliot
16:24:01 <cabanier> Eliot_: the content currently comes from a number of organisation
16:24:16 <cabanier> Eliot_: … and we got a lot of edits since launch
16:24:33 <cabanier> Eliot_: … over 700000 page views and tons of edits
16:24:51 <cabanier> Eliot_: … it would be good that people talk or blog about it
16:25:13 <cabanier> paulc__: is there a link that gives an idea on these staticstics?
16:25:23 <cabanier> Eliot_: yes. I will provide a link
16:25:39 <rubys> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
16:26:16 <cabanier> Eliot_: we have over 200 people on the IRC channel
16:26:21 <Eliot_> Metrics: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Site_Metrics
16:26:53 <cabanier> paulc__: Maciej or Sam will chair next week
16:27:58 <cabanier> Daniel: I just joined the group. I work for paypal
16:28:16 <cabanier> Daniel: I've been with the group for 10 years and happy to be back
16:28:38 <cabanier> Daniel: I'm reading up. I'm hoping to attend the F2F in Lyon.
16:29:11 <Zakim> -Wayne_Carr
16:29:17 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:29:19 <Zakim> -bryan_
16:29:20 <Zakim> -MartinSoukup
16:29:22 <cabanier> paulc__: anyone volunteering for a scribe?
16:29:24 <Zakim> -Plh
16:29:28 <paulc__> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:29:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/11-html-wg-minutes.html paulc__
16:29:28 <cabanier> silence
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16:30:14 <Zakim> -cabanier
16:30:16 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
16:30:17 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:30:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Eliot_, cabanier, jaymunro, Sam, +1.626.379.aaaa, [Microsoft], hober, paulc, Janina, adrianba_, Plh, bryan_, ddorwin, Wayne_Carr, Cynthia_Shelly, eliot,
16:30:17 <Zakim> ... +1.613.491.aabb, MartinSoukup
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20:09:13 <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [giow] (3) Improve compatibility for <embed hidden> - ianh
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21:23:47 <hober> MikeSmith: could you create a couple of bugzilla components for me?
21:23:57 <hober> MikeSmith: 1) a component for the srcset spec
21:24:27 <hober> MikeSmith: 1) a component for tracking work on the tools we use to generate and publish the various specs
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22:25:48 <plh> hober, you now have "The srcset attribute" and "Editor tools" in the components
22:28:45 <hober> whoo! thanks, plh!
22:29:17 <plh> ah, and your last email to team-html-editors got blocked due to size... looking
22:30:41 <hober> yeah, it had a 35,000 line diff attached. :)
22:33:43 <hober> you don't need to unblock it
22:34:33 <plh> ok
22:47:01 <timeless> MikeSmith: ping
22:47:33 <timeless> can someone please try loading:
22:47:33 <timeless> https://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/queue
22:47:33 <timeless> click "groups in which your organization participates."
22:47:33 <timeless> in "Sort by: participants | groups ", click "groups"
22:47:33 <timeless> afaict, it's horribly broken
22:47:34 <timeless> 1. the first group's name is missing
22:47:36 <timeless> 2. there's a missing </ol> for each group
22:47:38 <timeless> ... resulting in each group nesting as the nth child of the previous group
22:48:07 <timeless> hober: nice size diff :)
22:48:19 <timeless> ooh, the irony
22:48:34 <timeless> there's an XHTML 1.0 check-mark logo at the bottom right corner of the page
22:52:26 <hober> timeless: yeah, and it's *almost* all whitespace changes. wheee.
22:52:36 <timeless> :)
22:52:39 <timeless> err
22:52:54 <timeless> you really should be nice and have an *entirely* whitespace changes commit
22:53:05 <timeless> and then a *whatever is left* commit :)
22:55:23 <hober> yeah, indeed
22:55:39 <hober> in this case, the file being diffed is the output document
22:55:44 <hober> the *real* diff is 1 line.
22:55:49 <hober> in a script.
22:57:43 <hober> i just generated the output diff to see how risky the script change is. but because of all the spurios script changes, it's hard to find the problem spots (if any)
22:58:02 <hober> (spurious output changes, that is)
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23:09:27 <gitbot> [html] rubys pushed 2 new commits to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/a6d060f1109b...e6c75884ae55
23:09:27 <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [e] (0) Add an intro section that describes the 'prefer-online' feature a bit. - ianh
23:09:28 <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [e] (0) add a non-normative line - ianh
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