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13:57:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
13:57:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:57:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:28 <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2012
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13:58:57 <Arnaud> zakim, aaaa is me
13:58:57 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
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14:00:04 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:00:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, ??P2, ??P7, +44.117.370.aabb, ??P0, ??P4
14:00:04 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:00:09 <nmihindu> zakim, P2 is me
14:00:09 <Zakim> sorry, nmihindu, I do not recognize a party named 'P2'
14:00:18 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
14:00:18 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
14:00:25 <Zakim> -??P0
14:00:25 <stevebattle> zakim, +44.117.370.aabb is me
14:00:25 <Zakim> +stevebattle; got it
14:00:30 <svillata> Zakim, ??P7 is me
14:00:30 <Zakim> +svillata; got it
14:00:46 <Zakim> +??P0
14:01:00 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:01:00 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
14:01:10 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P2 is me
14:01:10 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
14:01:26 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:01:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia
14:01:28 <Zakim> +??P11
14:01:37 <Zakim> + +1.845.433.aacc
14:01:37 <ghard> zakim, ??P11 is me
14:01:39 <Zakim> +ghard; got it
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14:02:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p5 is me
14:02:17 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
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14:02:35 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, +1.845.433.aacc, BartvanLeeuwen
14:02:40 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aadd
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14:03:20 <rogerm> rogermenday is on the call 
14:03:23 <JohnArwe> zakim, aacc is me
14:03:23 <Zakim> +JohnArwe; got it
14:03:23 <antonis> zakim, ??p16 is me
14:03:24 <Zakim> +antonis; got it
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14:04:01 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.208.573.aadd, antonis
14:04:07 <Zakim> +??P17
14:04:13 <jkopecky> zakim, ??P17 is me
14:04:13 <Zakim> +jkopecky; got it
14:04:18 <Zakim> +bblfish
14:04:53 <JohnArwe> zakim, aadd is bblfish
14:04:53 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
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14:05:06 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:05:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, bblfish.a, antonis, jkopecky, bblfish
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14:05:23 <bblfish> oh two bblfishes?
14:05:42 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aaee
14:05:45 <bblfish> on the phone, that seems odd
14:05:49 <Zakim> +ArthurK
14:05:51 <Zakim> -ArthurK
14:05:58 <Kalpa> zakim, aaee is me
14:05:58 <Zakim> +Kalpa; got it
14:05:59 <bblfish> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:05:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, bblfish.a, antonis, jkopecky, bblfish, Kalpa
14:06:11 <JohnArwe> henry, IRC show a + and then a - bblfish just a few lines back ... seems like a transient
14:06:36 <JohnArwe> * but steve you have 2 ears
14:06:44 <Zakim> +ArthurK
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14:09:06 <oberger> Zakim, ??P20 is me
14:09:06 <Zakim> +oberger; got it
14:09:13 <oberger> sorry a bit late
14:11:49 <ghard> http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual.html
14:12:03 <oberger> who's the scribe, then ?
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14:12:59 <stevebattle> Scribe: Kalpa
14:13:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:13:05 <oberger> Minutes from last meeting
14:13:14 <Kalpa> proving the minutes from the last week
14:13:14 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
14:13:14 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:13:18 <oberger> good luck Kalpa ;-)
14:13:27 <bblfish> Approved: Minutes from Oct 1st
14:13:28 <Kalpa> last week's minutes (Oct 1st) approved
14:13:31 <SteveS> +1 for approving Oct 1st
14:13:57 <oberger> and they say we don't work in France ;)
14:14:46 <Kalpa> registering for FacetoFace meeting and please register for the event
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14:14:54 <Arnaud> q?
14:15:08 <Kalpa> deadline to get discount is Oct 16th
14:15:31 <Kalpa> moving onto actions list.
14:15:35 <SteveS> See http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#fees for deadline and fee details
14:16:42 <oberger> I think I saw some mention of SDShare from Mhausenblas
14:17:11 <oberger> do we need a twitter account to syndicate or is #ldp enough ?
14:18:06 <SteveS> Proposed W3C Community Group for SDshare http://www.w3.org/community/blog/2012/10/05/proposed-group-sdshare-community-group/
14:18:15 <oberger> (Mhausenblas proposal for stepping down from editor's role)
14:18:59 <Kalpa> oberger: Mhausenblas request to step down from editor's role
14:19:03 <oberger> ^ to b discussed later
14:19:36 <JohnArwe> kalpa, WG home page has a link near bottom under ...Resources to common scribe manual if you want to read up on the tools ... pts to http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/manual
14:20:00 <bblfish> Issue-9?
14:20:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Should properties used in BPR representations be BPRs? -- raised
14:20:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/9
14:20:22 <SteveS> Topic: discussing pending issues and transitioning to open
14:20:51 <SteveS> +1 ISSUE-9 to open
14:21:07 <bblfish> +1 good points. The vocabulary is too strict here
14:21:59 <Kalpa> moving onto discuss about issues. follow the link http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues
14:22:09 <bblfish> Issue-9 open
14:22:14 <bblfish> open Issue-9 
14:22:36 <Kalpa> no objections to open issue 9
14:22:56 <JohnArwe> trackbot, open issue-9
14:22:56 <trackbot> Sorry, JohnArwe, I don't understand 'trackbot, open issue-9'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
14:23:33 <Arnaud> issue-9 open
14:24:03 <bblfish> open ISSUE-9
14:24:03 <oberger> the docs don't seem to mention opening them in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
14:24:11 <bblfish> reopen ISSUE-9
14:24:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 Should properties used in BPR representations be BPRs? re-opened
14:24:24 <bblfish> Issue-10?
14:24:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Include clarifications and guidance around ETags -- raised
14:24:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/10
14:24:49 <Kalpa> discussing issue 10, no objects to open issue 10
14:24:50 <stevebattle> +1 important to distinguish between strong and weak etags
14:24:57 <bblfish> Issue-11?
14:24:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 -- Do we need to define server-managed properties or do we leave them to applications? -- raised
14:24:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/11
14:25:57 <oberger> +1 for the MAY
14:26:04 <Kalpa> no objects to open issue 11 and opening issue 11
14:26:05 <SteveS> open ISSUE-11
14:26:18 <bblfish> reopen Issue-11
14:26:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-11 Do we need to define server-managed properties or do we leave them to applications? re-opened
14:26:32 <bblfish> Issue-12?
14:26:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- raised
14:26:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12
14:26:38 <bblfish> wait too quickly?
14:26:47 <Kalpa> opening issue 12 and moving to issue 13
14:27:10 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-10
14:27:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 Include clarifications and guidance around ETags re-opened
14:27:17 <bblfish> Issue-13?
14:27:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- Include clarifications about BPC representations that include member triples -- raised
14:27:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/13
14:27:17 <stevebattle> +1 interesting I have UC examples of resources being created as side effect of patch
14:27:52 <Kalpa> opening issue 13
14:27:57 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-12
14:27:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? re-opened
14:28:06 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-13
14:28:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 Include clarifications about BPC representations that include member triples re-opened
14:28:09 <bblfish> Issue-14?
14:28:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- Include clarifications about ordering in BPC representations -- raised
14:28:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/14
14:29:22 <stevebattle> How are different ordering affordances defined?
14:29:38 <JohnArwe> it is the *representation* that is ordered, not the triples themselves
14:31:05 <stevebattle> I guess if you want a semantic ordering you use a List
14:32:11 <oberger> need a use case
14:32:21 <Arnaud> q?
14:32:24 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-14
14:32:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 Include clarifications about ordering in BPC representations re-opened
14:32:32 <Kalpa> opening issue 14 for now and sicuss further later
14:32:40 <bblfish> Issue-15?
14:32:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 -- sharing binary resources and metadata -- raised
14:32:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/15
14:32:50 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:32:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, nmihindu, svillata, stevebattle, ??P4, SteveS, rgarcia, ghard, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, bblfish.a, antonis, jkopecky, bblfish, Kalpa, ArthurK, oberger,
14:32:53 <Zakim> ... AndyS
14:33:30 <stevebattle> Does issue-15 relate to the use of wrds:describedby?
14:33:42 <Kalpa> issue 15 - what is a resource.
14:33:50 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-15
14:33:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 sharing binary resources and metadata re-opened
14:33:58 <Kalpa> Arnaud: any disagreements for opening issue 15?
14:34:07 <Kalpa> no objects and opening issue 15
14:35:00 <bblfish> Issue-15?
14:35:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-15 -- sharing binary resources and metadata -- open
14:35:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/15
14:35:08 <Kalpa> opening issue 16
14:35:13 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-16
14:35:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-16 Redirection of non-information resources to BPRs re-opened
14:35:23 <bblfish> Issue-16?
14:35:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-16 -- Redirection of non-information resources to BPRs -- open
14:35:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/16
14:35:30 <bblfish> Issue-17?
14:35:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 -- changesets as a recommended PATCH format -- raised
14:35:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/17
14:35:43 <bblfish> +1
14:35:54 <Zakim> -ArthurK
14:35:56 <SteveS> +1
14:36:08 <rgarcia> +1
14:36:34 <bblfish> Essentially one would want to take SPARQL update and turn it into a PATCH
14:36:38 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-17
14:36:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-17 changesets as a recommended PATCH format re-opened
14:36:39 <Kalpa> Arnaud: is http patch in issue 17 is the same as from raul?
14:36:39 <bblfish> no?
14:36:43 <Zakim> -svillata
14:36:51 <bblfish> Issue-18?
14:36:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 -- container membership and robust pagination -- raised
14:36:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/18
14:36:57 <Kalpa> issue 17 is a different issue and opening issue 17
14:37:48 <AndyS> Why not status code 501?
14:41:22 <AndyS> In the LDA, the response has response metadata e.g. #pages. so you can go to last.
14:41:46 <Kalpa> opening issue 18
14:41:47 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-18
14:41:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-18 container membership and robust pagination re-opened
14:41:56 <bblfish> Opening Issue-18 but not a big issue because URLs are in fact opaque. Should be easy to close
14:42:03 <bblfish> Issue-19?
14:42:03 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 -- Adressing more error cases -- raised
14:42:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/19
14:42:17 <oberger> can't seem to unmute
14:42:53 <AndyS> zakim, unmute oberger
14:42:53 <Zakim> oberger was not muted, AndyS
14:42:53 <Kalpa> Arnaud: issue 19 is important and there is not many links in the issue page
14:43:20 <Zakim> +??P7
14:43:52 <Kalpa> enough discussion in the mailing list and hence propose to open the issue 19
14:44:04 <Kalpa> no objects and opening issue 19
14:44:05 <JohnArwe> thread 10/1-10/3 about 8 emails
14:44:06 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-19
14:44:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-19 Adressing more error cases re-opened
14:44:13 <bblfish> Issue-20?
14:44:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 -- Identifying and naming POSTed resources -- raised
14:44:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/20
14:44:28 <JohnArwe> ...did not have issue # so nothing for tracker to latch onto
14:45:25 <bblfish> q?
14:46:19 <bblfish> <>
14:46:29 <bblfish> <> <#me>
14:47:09 <oberger> <_POSTED_> ?
14:47:23 <jkopecky> q? to ask if that's allowed
14:47:24 <SteveS> seems fine for RDF docs, what about if I want to name a non-RDF resource such as steve_profile.gif?
14:47:37 <jkopecky> q+ to ask if that's allowed
14:47:46 <AndyS> It's the target of the request - ie. the HTTP container.
14:48:02 <jkopecky> q- 
14:48:15 <AndyS> but "willful violation" may be the right approach.
14:48:19 <bblfish> ok.
14:48:25 <bblfish> I'have to go early now.
14:48:29 <bblfish> sorry
14:48:35 <Zakim> -bblfish
14:48:49 <Kalpa> opening issue 20 
14:49:53 <Kalpa> opening issue 21
14:49:53 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-20
14:49:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-20 Identifying and naming POSTed resources re-opened
14:49:59 <SteveS> reopen ISSUE-21
14:49:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 container affordances re-opened
14:50:37 <stevebattle> not comfortable with 'willfull vioation' !
14:51:31 <AndyS> Base URI determination -- RFC 3986 section 5.1
14:51:32 <stevebattle> s/vioation/violation/
14:52:14 <Kalpa> Arnaud: today is the deadline to raise issues. If you find an issue raise them it is alright. editor's will annotate the list.
14:52:33 <oberger> again, what do we do with mhausenblas' editor chair ?
14:52:41 <AndyS> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-5.1
14:53:02 <rgarcia> I sent an email about rewriting improvements, it is not a "serious issue" but I would take in into account
14:53:33 <oberger> ah, my bad
14:53:47 <oberger> mhausenblas only stepped down from use case
14:53:55 <Kalpa> Topic: usecase and requirements
14:53:56 <Zakim> -??P7
14:54:25 <Kalpa> review the documents for mistakes 
14:55:46 <Kalpa> 2 weeks for reviewing documents
14:55:55 <oberger> and raising issues
14:56:29 <Kalpa> Arnaud: issue with the name of the profile from last week's meeting
14:56:39 <oberger> back to Issue-8
14:56:55 <Kalpa> ... linked data profile or linked data platform
14:57:15 <stevebattle> 'linked data platform' is my choice
14:57:22 <oberger> let's get drunk in Lyon and decide
14:57:34 <SteveS> my proposal, which many seemed happy with last week, is 'Linked Data Platform"'
14:57:37 <rgarcia> My vote: 
14:57:37 <rgarcia> Linked Data Platform Resource + Linked Data Platform Container (LDP Resource + LDP Container)
14:57:51 <oberger> damn it
14:58:35 <ghard> LOL
14:59:40 <stevebattle> +1 LDP Resource + LDP Container
14:59:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 LDP Resource + Container
14:59:58 <Arnaud> strawpoll: use the name: linked data platform
15:00:09 <oberger> +1 LDP Resource + LDP Container
15:00:20 <svillata> +1 LDP Resource + Container
15:00:33 <SteveS> +1 for LDP = Linked Data Platform
15:00:43 <jkopecky> how about Linked Data Platform Specification (rather than just LD Platform)
15:00:47 <SteveS> and LDP is the name of the spec
15:00:54 <Arnaud> +1
15:01:03 <jkopecky> LDP would be short for Linked Data Platform Specification
15:01:08 <stevebattle> Whatever Arnaud says.
15:02:12 <jkopecky> LDP would be short for Linked Data Platform Specification
15:02:24 <Zakim> -bblfish.a
15:02:36 <rgarcia> An W3C recommendation is synonym to specification
15:02:41 <SteveS> Proposal: LDP = Linked Data Platform for specification name, removing LDBP
15:02:47 <oberger> Issue-8 pending review ?
15:03:10 <Kalpa> issue 8 needs resolution later
15:03:15 <jkopecky> raul, yes, but "W3C Recommendation" is a subtitle, so that's why I'd like to have "Spec" in the title there
15:03:42 <rgarcia> OK, can live with that. :)
15:03:55 <oberger> and let's get drunk in Lyon anyway ;)
15:04:02 <jkopecky> do enjoy 8-)
15:04:22 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
15:04:27 <ghard> Cheers
15:04:33 <oberger> bye
15:04:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> bye
15:04:38 <svillata> bye
15:04:39 <Zakim> -oberger
15:04:39 <antonis> cheers- bye
15:04:40 <Zakim> -ghard
15:04:41 <Zakim> -SteveS
15:04:42 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:04:42 <Zakim> -jkopecky
15:04:43 <Zakim> -rgarcia
15:04:43 <Zakim> -Arnaud
15:04:44 <Zakim> -stevebattle
15:04:45 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
15:04:48 <Zakim> -antonis
15:04:49 <Arnaud> meeting adjourned
15:04:50 <Zakim> -??P4
15:04:52 <Zakim> -Kalpa
15:04:54 <Zakim> -nmihindu
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15:04:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.996.aaaa, Arnaud, SteveS, stevebattle, svillata, rgarcia, nmihindu, +1.845.433.aacc, ghard, BartvanLeeuwen, +44.208.573.aadd, JohnArwe, antonis, jkopecky,
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