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19:45:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
19:45:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
19:45:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
19:45:19 <trackbot> Date: 04 October 2012
19:45:23 <MichaelC> chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
19:45:42 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012OctDec/0001.html
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20:00:50 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
20:01:04 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:01:23 <Zakim> +??P2
20:01:25 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P2 is Michael_Cooper
20:01:25 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
20:01:50 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Alex_Li
20:01:50 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
20:02:05 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
20:02:24 <MichaelC> regrets: Cherie_Ekholm, Moe_Kraft
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20:03:42 <David> having trouble calling in
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20:08:07 <MichaelC> scribe: Ryladog
20:08:19 <Ryladog> Meeting: WCAG 2
20:08:30 <Loretta> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20121004misc/results
20:08:55 <Ryladog> Agenda 1
20:09:14 <Ryladog> Zakim: Agenda 1
20:09:55 <Ryladog> Scribe: Ryladog
20:10:19 <Ryladog> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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20:11:34 <Ryladog> Agenda: Miscellaneous Issues for 04 Oct 2012 
20:12:03 <Ryladog> topic: WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable" (copied from the survey header)
20:12:09 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
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20:12:57 <Ryladog> topic: WCAG2ICT proposal: real-time event
20:13:38 <Ryladog> Alex: You make an assumption that the user is making a specific time and date
20:14:02 <Ryladog> Alex: This specific example does does show a realtime event
20:14:39 <Ryladog> Alex: These elements do not inform our readers that this is real world event
20:15:00 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden.a
20:15:07 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:15:15 <Ryladog> Loretta: I think we have a misunderstanding of what is a real world event
20:15:24 <greggvanderheiden> q+
20:16:07 <Ryladog> Gregg: 'Whenever is multiplayer' is real time
20:16:18 <Ryladog> Alex: I agree, but not all games
20:16:26 <Loretta> \me Katie, you don't need to record the conversation (although you are welcome to)
20:16:30 <Ryladog> Gregg: You could slow that one down
20:16:49 <Ryladog> Gregg: If both sides have time to make the move, maybe there is no time element
20:17:12 <Ryladog> Gregg: A single palyer game may have a begin and end time
20:17:53 <Ryladog> Alex: We habe to define a real world event as something associated with a real time event, not in the physical world
20:18:30 <Ryladog> Alex: Single player, and educational game, have no association withwhether itis a real time event or not
20:18:40 <Ryladog> Gregg: So lets go back to that
20:19:18 <Ryladog> Gregg: It says real world event and it should say time
20:19:28 <Ryladog> Gregg: We morphed real time into real world
20:19:35 <Ryladog> Gregg:Lets fix this
20:19:44 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
20:19:59 <Ryladog> Gregg: A single player not linked to a rewal world TIME (not Event)
20:20:23 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
20:21:01 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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20:22:20 <Ryladog> Zakim, who is on the phone?
20:22:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Kathy, Robin_Tuttle, Marc_Johlic, Gregg_Vanderheiden.a,
20:22:23 <Zakim> ... Bruce_Bailey (muted), Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:22:57 <Ryladog> Loretta: hat about wall clock time?
20:24:27 <Ryladog> Zakim, agenda+ WCAG2ICT proposal: real-time event
20:24:27 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
20:24:51 <Ryladog> Gregg: Maybe the term WORLD should go away
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20:25:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:25:48 <Ryladog> Action Item: Gregg and Alex to re-write
20:25:48 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find Item. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
20:26:18 <adam> zakim, IPcaller is adam_solomon
20:26:18 <Zakim> +adam_solomon; got it
20:26:23 <Ryladog> Zakim, agenda + WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable
20:26:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
20:26:50 <MichaelC> action: gregg to work with alex to rewrite proposal on real-time event addition
20:26:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Work with alex to rewrite proposal on real-time event addition [on Gregg Vanderheiden - due 2012-10-11].
20:27:00 <MichaelC> topic: WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable
20:27:14 <Ryladog> Zakim, ACTION gregg to work with alex to rewrite proposal on real-time event addition
20:27:14 <Zakim> I don't understand you, Ryladog
20:27:37 <Ryladog>  ACTION: gregg to work with alex to rewrite proposal on real-time event addition
20:28:11 <Ryladog> Zakim, agenda + WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable
20:28:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
20:34:34 <Ryladog> Zakim, who is on the phone?
20:34:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Kathy, Robin_Tuttle, Marc_Johlic, Gregg_Vanderheiden.a,
20:34:37 <Zakim> ... Bruce_Bailey (muted), Andrew_Kirkpatrick, adam_solomon
20:38:02 <Ryladog> * Michael, I have to stop scribing at 5pm (EST), will be on the phone only driving to a meeting
20:39:46 <Ryladog> * Thanks sorry....:-(
20:48:58 <Ryladog> Gregg: User-controllable was a poor choice of a name
20:49:08 <Ryladog> Loretta: Lets wrap up
20:49:52 <Ryladog> action: loretta, gregg, alex work on rewording WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable
20:49:52 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find loretta,. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
20:50:09 <Ryladog> topic: WCAG2ICT proposal: Understanding 3.3.1
20:50:20 <Ryladog> Zakim< topic: WCAG2ICT proposal: Understanding 3.3.1
20:50:29 <Ryladog> Zakim, topic: WCAG2ICT proposal: Understanding 3.3.1
20:50:29 <Zakim> I don't understand you, Ryladog
20:50:47 <Ryladog> Zakim, topic: WCAG2ICT proposal Understanding 3.3.1
20:50:47 <Zakim> I don't understand you, Ryladog
20:50:58 <Ryladog> topic: WCAG2ICT proposal Understanding 3.3.1
20:51:34 <Ryladog> Zakim, action: loretta, gregg, alex work on rewording WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable
20:51:34 <Zakim> I don't understand you, Ryladog
20:52:09 <Ryladog> Zakim, action: loretta gregg and alex work on rewording WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable
20:52:09 <Zakim> I don't understand you, Ryladog
20:52:18 <Ryladog> action: loretta gregg and alex work on rewording WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable
20:52:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-182 - Gregg and alex work on rewording WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable [on Loretta Guarino Reid - due 2012-10-11].
20:53:43 <Ryladog> topic:WCAG2ICT proposal Understanding 3.3.1
20:55:38 <Ryladog> Amended Accepted as amended
20:55:42 <Ryladog> topic: LC-2611 floated lists (e.g. horizontal menus) not covered in test of H48
21:00:20 <Ryladog> * Michael, I have to stop now
21:00:40 <Ryladog> * thanks
21:03:58 <jamesn> q+ to say it shouldn't really be a list
21:05:53 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
21:07:15 <jamesn> ack me
21:07:15 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say it shouldn't really be a list
21:12:02 <Loretta> q?
21:12:09 <Loretta> ack g
21:13:06 <Loretta> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/H48.html
21:15:30 <David> <!DOCTYPE html>
21:15:32 <David> <html>
21:15:33 <David> <head>
21:15:35 <David> <style type="text/css">
21:15:36 <David> ul
21:15:38 <David> {
21:15:39 <David> float:left;
21:15:41 <David> width:100%;
21:15:41 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden.a
21:15:42 <David> padding:0;
21:15:44 <David> margin:0;
21:15:45 <David> list-style-type:none;
21:15:47 <David> }
21:15:48 <David> a
21:15:50 <David> {
21:15:51 <David> float:left;
21:15:53 <David> width:6em;
21:15:54 <David> text-decoration:none;
21:15:54 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:15:56 <David> color:white;
21:15:57 <David> background-color:purple;
21:16:00 <David> padding:0.2em 0.6em;
21:16:01 <David> border-right:1px solid white;
21:16:03 <David> }
21:16:06 <David> a:hover {background-color:#ff3300;}
21:16:08 <David> li {display:inline;}
21:16:09 <David> </style>
21:16:11 <David> </head>
21:16:13 <David> <body>
21:16:15 <David> <ul>
21:16:17 <David> <li><a href="#">Link one</a></li>
21:16:19 <David> <li><a href="#">Link two</a></li>
21:16:21 <David> <li><a href="#">Link three</a></li>
21:16:23 <David> <li><a href="#">Link four</a></li>
21:16:25 <David> </ul>
21:16:47 <AWK> zakim, who's talking?
21:16:59 <Zakim> AWK, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta_Guarino_Reid (12%), David_MacDonald (22%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (48%), adam_solomon (29%)
21:19:50 <MichaelC> action: adam to provide new proposal for floated lists (H48)
21:19:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-183 - Provide new proposal for floated lists (H48) [on Adam Solomon - due 2012-10-11].
21:20:03 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
21:20:09 <MichaelC> topic: SCR18: Providing client-side validation and alert
21:22:41 <MichaelC> action: cooper to prepare a second example for SCR18 showing how to use a single onsubmit alert to report several validation errors in one go
21:22:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Prepare a second example for SCR18 showing how to use a single onsubmit alert to report several validation errors in one go [on Michael Cooper - due 2012-10-11].
21:22:47 <MichaelC> leave open until action completed
21:23:16 <MichaelC> topic: PDF3: Example 3 uses invalid terms
21:23:21 <MichaelC> leave open
21:23:36 <MichaelC> for AWK and Cherie to propose response
21:23:53 <MichaelC> topic: Provide Technique(s) using PDF/UA
21:24:43 <Zakim> -adam_solomon
21:25:33 <MichaelC> RESOLUTION: accept as amended
21:26:29 <David> zakim, who's noisy?
21:26:41 <Zakim> David, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: James_Nurthen (64%), Kathy (46%), Andrew_Kirkpatrick (4%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (38%)
21:26:43 <MichaelC> topic: H91: Example incorrect
21:29:51 <AWK> David, are you also hearing the really painful scratchy noise on the line?
21:33:23 <MichaelC> continue discussion next week
21:33:46 <jamesn> zakim, who is noisy?
21:33:57 <Zakim> jamesn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Michael_Cooper (4%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (5%), David_MacDonald (15%)
21:34:05 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:34:12 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
21:34:14 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:34:16 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:34:16 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
21:34:18 <Zakim> -Kathy
21:34:22 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
21:34:26 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:37:19 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
21:39:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Kathy, Gregg_Vanderheiden,
21:39:37 <Zakim> ... Robin_Tuttle, Marc_Johlic, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, adam_solomon
21:39:42 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
21:39:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
21:39:45 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
21:39:45 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Bruce_Bailey, Michael_Cooper, Alex_Li, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Kathy,
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21:39:50 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
21:39:50 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
21:39:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Item to Gregg and Alex to re-write [1]
21:39:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-wai-wcag-irc#T20-25-48
21:39:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gregg to work with alex to rewrite proposal on real-time event addition [2]
21:39:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-wai-wcag-irc#T20-26-50
21:39:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gregg to work with alex to rewrite proposal on real-time event addition [3]
21:39:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-wai-wcag-irc#T20-27-37
21:39:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: loretta, gregg, alex work on rewording WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable [4]
21:39:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-wai-wcag-irc#T20-49-52
21:39:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: loretta gregg and alex work on rewording WCAG2ICT proposal: user controllable [5]
21:39:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-wai-wcag-irc#T20-52-18
21:39:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: adam to provide new proposal for floated lists (H48) [6]
21:39:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-wai-wcag-irc#T21-19-50
21:39:50 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cooper to prepare a second example for SCR18 showing how to use a single onsubmit alert to report several validation errors in one go [7]
21:39:50 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-wai-wcag-irc#T21-22-41