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13:59:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
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13:59:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:59:25 <trackbot> Date: 04 October 2012
13:59:32 <mmartin3> Chair: Sean Hayes
13:59:48 <mmartin3> scribe is mmartin3
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14:00:55 <mmartin3> zakim, Microsoft is mmartin3
14:00:55 <Zakim> +mmartin3; got it
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14:02:30 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.650.525.aaaa, +49.893.aabb, +44.154.558.aacc, Plh, mmartin3, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +41.22.717.aadd, pal
14:03:05 <Sean> zakim, i am aacc
14:03:11 <Frans_> +41 is Frans
14:03:35 <Zakim> +Sean; got it
14:04:05 <mmartin3> zakim, +44.154.558.aacc is sean
14:04:37 <mmartin3> zakim, +49.893.aabb is Andreas
14:04:39 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named '+44.154.558.aacc'
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14:05:16 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.650.525.aaaa, +44.154.558.aacc, Plh, mmartin3, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +41.22.717.aadd, pal, Sean, +1.858.847.aaee, Andreas, +1.212.664.aaff
14:05:21 <plh> zakim, aaee is Mike
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14:06:01 <plh> zakim, aacc is Sean
14:06:01 <Zakim> sorry, plh, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
14:07:11 <plh> action-103?
14:07:11 <trackbot> ACTION-103 -- Glenn Adams to delete R0020 and add introductory text about these styles with descriptions for Section 6.4.2. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:07:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/103
14:08:21 <mmartin3> mmartin3: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0078.html
14:08:41 <mmartin3> Sean: Keep example. Delete requirement R0020.
14:09:00 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Suggest we close Actions -102, -103.
14:09:20 <mmartin3> ...Relates to Issue-189
14:09:22 <mmartin3> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189
14:09:58 <mmartin3> mike: Can close Action-102.
14:10:05 <mmartin3> ...Close Action-103.
14:10:39 <mmartin3> Sean: Pushing for scroll. Falls out from XSL processing model.
14:11:04 <mmartin3> mike: Disagreement on scrolling happening or not in TTML.
14:11:13 <mmartin3> ...Clarify example.
14:11:29 <mmartin3> c/example/with example in TTML 1.0 Second Edition.
14:11:50 <mmartin3> Sean: Illustrate semantics.
14:13:00 <mmartin3> Resolve to close Action-102 and defer to Issue-189.
14:13:04 <mmartin3> Close Action-102.
14:13:15 <mmartin3> Close Action-102
14:13:15 <trackbot> ACTION-102 Make changes in Section 8.1.2 as specified http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0040.html closed
14:13:30 <mmartin3> Resolve to close Action-103 and defer to Issue-189.
14:13:34 <mmartin3> Close Action-103
14:13:34 <trackbot> ACTION-103 Delete R0020 and add introductory text about these styles with descriptions for Section 6.4.2. closed
14:13:44 <mmartin3> Issue-189?
14:13:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- do regions scroll their flowed content? -- raised
14:13:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189
14:14:21 <mmartin3> Mike: Example 5 needs to be revised to handle roll-up.
14:15:13 <mmartin3> Create examples in TTML 1.0 Second Edition to specify.
14:15:44 <mmartin3> Sean: Example 5 is incomplete.
14:16:02 <mmartin3> Need to define the region to close in SDP.
14:16:51 <mmartin3> Create Action Mike to provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE.
14:17:13 <mmartin3> Create Action: Mike to provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE.
14:17:35 <mmartin3> Action: Mike to provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE.
14:17:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE. [on Mike Dolan - due 2012-10-11].
14:17:59 <mmartin3> Action: Monica update example 5 for SDP based on Issue-189 discussion on scrolling.
14:17:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Update example 5 for SDP based on Issue-189 discussion on scrolling. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-10-11].
14:18:14 <mmartin3> Issue-183?
14:18:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- semantics of using profile in a document -- raised
14:18:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/183
14:18:41 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Explains issue.
14:18:49 <mmartin3> Mike suggested document conformance.
14:18:58 <mmartin3> Sean: Both are specified in the profile.
14:19:38 <mmartin3> Mike: Use of profile was related to document conformance.
14:20:13 <mmartin3> Sean: TTML 1.0 allows profile on processor.
14:21:14 <mmartin3> Sean: SDP-US is focused on document conformance and sufficiently constrain to deliver profile.
14:21:38 <mmartin3> ...CFF can be part decoder.
14:21:47 <mmartin3> Mike: CFF model is about document authoring.
14:22:43 <mmartin3> ...Make a few revisions in TTML 1.0 SE to clarify that document conformance applies.
14:22:55 <mmartin3> Sean: Agree.
14:23:23 <mmartin3> Resolve to make SDP-US a document conformance profile.
14:23:41 <mmartin3> Mike: Will develop sentence to change TTML 1.0 SE.
14:24:09 <mmartin3> Sean: How to capture CFF constraints if document authoring?
14:24:51 <mmartin3> Mike: No changes needed in SDP-US.
14:25:31 <mmartin3> Action Mike Proposal to close Issue-183 - identify revisions in TTML 1.0 SE.
14:25:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Proposal to close Issue-183 - identify revisions in TTML 1.0 SE. [on Mike Dolan - due 2012-10-11].
14:26:00 <mmartin3> Action-99?
14:26:00 <trackbot> ACTION-99 -- Monica Martin to soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. -- due 2012-09-20 -- OPEN
14:26:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/99
14:26:26 <mmartin3> SDP draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html
14:26:29 <mmartin3> Need to close.
14:26:35 <mmartin3> Close Action-99.
14:26:40 <mmartin3> Close Action-99
14:26:40 <trackbot> ACTION-99 Soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. closed
14:26:54 <Zakim> - +41.22.717.aadd
14:27:29 <mmartin3> Issue-177?
14:27:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- Clarify mandatory processing semantics referenced in Section 3.2.1. Consider whether to use Appendix D, Table E-2. -- pending review
14:27:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/177
14:28:05 <mmartin3> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/96
14:28:58 <mmartin3> Close Issue-177 by Action-96
14:29:03 <mmartin3> Close Issue-177
14:29:03 <trackbot> ISSUE-177 Clarify mandatory processing semantics referenced in Section 3.2.1. Consider whether to use Appendix D, Table E-2. closed
14:29:23 <mmartin3> Issue-185
14:29:26 <mmartin3> Issue-185?
14:29:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- confusion about processor versus player -- raised
14:29:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/185
14:29:33 <mmartin3> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0063.html
14:29:55 <mmartin3> Close Issue-185
14:29:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-185 confusion about processor versus player closed
14:30:14 <mmartin3> Issue-187?
14:30:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- R0006 is overly constraining as drafted -- raised
14:30:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/187
14:30:43 <mmartin3> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0003.html
14:30:45 <mmartin3> R0006
14:30:52 <mmartin3> c/element/timed element
14:31:10 <mmartin3> Sean: Agree, objections?
14:31:41 <mmartin3> Action Glenn Update R0006 based on discussion in Issue-187 on Oct 4
14:31:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Update R0006 based on discussion in Issue-187 on Oct 4 [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-10-11].
14:32:02 <mmartin3> Resolved to close Issue-187 based on new Action-112.
14:32:06 <mmartin3> Close Issue-187
14:32:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-187 R0006 is overly constraining as drafted closed
14:32:52 <mmartin3> Issue-188
14:32:58 <mmartin3> pal: Describes issue.
14:33:19 <mmartin3> ...Doesn't set constraints of the document - characters, regions, drawing, etc.
14:33:42 <mmartin3> ...characters per second for example.
14:34:09 <mmartin3> Sean: Explore document authoring constraint - Mike.
14:34:15 <mmartin3> ...How does this relate?
14:34:42 <mmartin3> pal: CFF has rendering model that answers this question.
14:34:50 <mmartin3> ...Template can be used.
14:35:19 <mmartin3> ...Limit characters that author stream that the renderer has to process. 
14:36:03 <mmartin3> Sean: Synchronic document model - 2 points in time, document display to t1, t2. Differ by certain number characters?
14:36:22 <mmartin3> Mike: Treats performance limitations for simplicity. Acts on each of sychronic document.
14:36:37 <mmartin3> c/sychronic/synchromic
14:36:46 <mmartin3> c/synchromic/synchronic
14:37:43 <mmartin3> Sean: Characters per second doesn't make sense in synchronic documents.
14:38:59 <mmartin3> mmartin3: CFF model targets specific use cases correct?
14:39:11 <mmartin3> pal: No, SDP-US doesn't speak to these aspects?
14:40:21 <mmartin3> Sean: Cast in TTML text, duration to render an instance.
14:41:12 <mmartin3> pal: How much processing allocated to rendering? Character drawing is complicated. How many characters per second?
14:41:55 <mmartin3> Sean: In captions, end of one document and start of the second specifies what to do and how to specify the stream.
14:42:22 <mmartin3> ...i.e. 4 seconds to draw.
14:42:28 <mmartin3> pal: Put in SDP-US?
14:43:44 <mmartin3> Sean: Create constraints that relate to synchronic document.
14:44:00 <mmartin3> Mike: Recast in a different language is an issue.
14:44:14 <mmartin3> Sean: They will be different because the 2 profiles are different.
14:45:52 <mmartin3> pal: When CFF sets limits on drawing rate, what does the average of 120 characters mean?
14:46:10 <mmartin3> Mike: Concerned about making them different.
14:46:52 <mmartin3> pal: We seem to agree on character constraints.
14:47:13 <mmartin3> ....Benefit with compatibility on use of CFF. 2 items to address.
14:47:31 <mmartin3> Action Sean to recast the constraints for the SDP-US.
14:47:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-113 - Recast the constraints for the SDP-US. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-10-11].
14:48:50 <mmartin3> Issue-189?
14:48:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- do regions scroll their flowed content? -- raised
14:48:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189
14:49:45 <mmartin3> pal: Leave Issue-189 open on the scrolling.
14:50:00 <mmartin3> Related to other actions.
14:51:06 <mmartin3> Issue-190?
14:51:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Background vs Window Color -- raised
14:51:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/190
14:52:07 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Describes issue.
14:52:40 <mmartin3> ...Suggest a note.
14:52:44 <mmartin3> Sean: Add an example too.
14:54:21 <mmartin3> Mike: Wasn't initially clear to me.
14:54:35 <mmartin3> Sean: TTML 1.0 describes this. Have to understand XSL.
14:55:08 <mmartin3> Mike: This is a TTML issue.
14:55:18 <mmartin3> c/TTML/TTML 1.0
14:55:38 <mmartin3> Sean: Decide if put in Second Edition or SDP-US.
14:56:13 <mmartin3> ...Primer?
14:57:33 <mmartin3> Action Sean. Monica will help. Add a note and example on backgroundColor and windows. Respond back to Apple. Decide where to place the example. Relates to Issue-190.
14:57:33 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find Sean.. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/users>.
14:58:53 <mmartin3> Extra meting
14:59:00 <mmartin3> c/meting/meeting
14:59:12 <mmartin3> Action-107?
14:59:12 <trackbot> ACTION-107 -- Monica Martin to clarify references to named colors and align to TTML 1.0. -- due 2012-10-04 -- OPEN
14:59:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/107
14:59:58 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Describes editor action.
15:00:07 <mmartin3> Close Action-107
15:00:07 <trackbot> ACTION-107 Clarify references to named colors and align to TTML 1.0. closed
15:00:25 <mmartin3> Meeting Oct 11
15:00:36 <Zakim> - +1.212.664.aaff
15:00:36 <mmartin3> Sean: mmartin3 and plh will host.
15:00:41 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
15:00:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.650.525.aaaa, +44.154.558.aacc, Plh, mmartin3, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +41.22.717.aadd, pal, Sean, +1.858.847.aaee, Andreas,
15:00:42 <Zakim> ... +1.212.664.aaff, Mike
15:00:44 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
15:00:44 <Zakim> -Andreas
15:00:45 <Zakim> -Mike
15:00:46 <Zakim> -Plh
15:00:51 <Zakim> -Sean
15:00:54 <Zakim> -pal
15:01:02 <Zakim> -mmartin3
15:01:02 <mmartin3> trackbot, end meeting
15:01:02 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:01:05 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:01:08 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.525.aaaa, +44.154.558.aacc, Plh, mmartin3, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +41.22.717.aadd, pal, Sean, +1.858.847.aaee, Andreas, +1.212.664.aaff, Mike
15:01:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:01:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-tt-minutes.html trackbot
15:01:10 <mmartin3> trackbot, generate minutes
15:01:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:01:11 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-tt-actions.rdf :
15:01:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike to provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE. [1]
15:01:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-tt-irc#T14-17-35
15:01:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Monica update example 5 for SDP based on Issue-189 discussion on scrolling. [2]
15:01:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-tt-irc#T14-17-59
15:01:11 <trackbot> Sorry, mmartin3, I don't understand 'trackbot, generate minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:01:19 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is