13:30:58 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:30:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/03-dap-irc 13:31:00 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:31:00 Zakim has joined #dap 13:31:02 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:31:02 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 29 minutes 13:31:03 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 13:31:03 Date: 03 October 2012 13:35:38 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0009.html 13:36:13 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 13:36:27 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 13:52:34 glenn has joined #dap 13:55:03 dtran has joined #dap 13:55:11 Present+ Dzung_Tran 13:55:43 Clarke has joined #dap 13:55:58 ccourtney has joined #dap 13:56:13 Present+ Colin_Courtney 13:56:14 richt has joined #dap 13:57:11 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 13:57:18 + +1.757.825.aaaa 13:59:11 Jungkee has joined #dap 13:59:19 Present+ Jungkee_Song 13:59:51 +[IPcaller] 14:00:01 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 14:00:01 +fjh; got it 14:00:08 richt_ has joined #dap 14:00:10 Present+ Clarke_Stevens 14:02:03 +[IPcaller] 14:02:09 +[IPcaller.a] 14:02:14 + +1.503.542.aabb 14:02:18 Zakim, +[IPcaller] is me 14:02:18 sorry, richt_, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]' 14:02:40 zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me 14:02:40 +Jungkee; got it 14:03:20 Present+ Rich_Tibbett 14:03:21 Cathy has joined #dap 14:03:56 zakim, who is here? 14:03:56 On the phone I see +1.757.825.aaaa, fjh, richt_, Jungkee, +1.503.542.aabb (muted) 14:03:58 On IRC I see Cathy, richt, Jungkee, ccourtney, Clarke, dtran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, lgombos, Josh_Soref, tobie, mounir, hiroto_away, trackbot, dom 14:04:08 zakim, where is 503? 14:04:08 North American dialing code 1.503 is Oregon 14:04:27 zakim, aaaa is ccourtney 14:04:27 +ccourtney; got it 14:04:28 zakim, 503 is me 14:04:29 sorry, dtran, I do not recognize a party named '503' 14:04:42 Regrets+ Josh_Soref 14:04:43 zakim, aabb is me 14:04:43 +dtran; got it 14:04:48 ScribeNick: fjh 14:05:01 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 14:05:37 fjh: here is the information about publishing moratoria (week of 29 October, 14 Dec - 2 Jan) https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2012May/0000.html 14:05:57 fjh: I've heard that one cannot publish further out from TPAC but could not find a notice on the chairs list 14:06:03 +??P38 14:06:12 zakim, ??P38 is me 14:06:12 +Cathy; got it 14:06:30 Topic: Minutes approval 14:06:38 Approve 26 Sept 2012 minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/att-0131/minutes-2012-09-26.html 14:06:46 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 26 Sept 2012 are approved 14:07:09 Topic: "Network Service Discovery" - publish updated WD 14:07:16 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0004.html 14:07:18 + +46.1.07.15.aacc 14:07:34 fjh: I understand there is a draft ready to publish an updated WD despite ongoing discussion on the list 14:07:48 nwidell has joined #dap 14:07:49 richt: correct, I think we should publish the improvements and continue the discussion on the list 14:08:37 fjh: I sent a message to the list asking if there was any concern with deciding on the call to publish, saw no concern raised 14:08:51 fjh: it is a good idea to publish early and often, keep things current and make people aware of the latest work 14:09:03 proposed RESOLUTION: The DAP WG agrees to publish an updated WD of "Network Service Discovery", on 4 October 2012, see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html 14:09:19 fjh: any object or concern with publishing an updated draft? 14:09:26 hear no objection 14:09:34 RESOLUTION: The DAP WG agrees to publish an updated WD of "Network Service Discovery", on 4 October 2012, see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html 14:09:43 fjh: Thanks Rich for all your help with this 14:09:49 richt: thanks Cathy for the review 14:10:12 action: fjh to make publication request for Network Service Discovery 14:10:12 Created ACTION-583 - Make publication request for Network Service Discovery [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-10-10]. 14:10:48 nwidell: is the relationship or overlap with Web Intents addendum, a concern 14:11:22 richt: there is some difference in approach of the two, different scope, but will need time to clarify the relationship 14:11:44 nwidell: ok with specs going foward with different use cases, but do we need a note to clarify the difference 14:12:12 richt: need to figure out what to write 14:13:31 fjh: perhaps we should clarify on the home page 14:15:25 fjh: these are different levels of the stack, Web Intents at a higher level allows user mediated service inclusion in a web page, network discovery at lower level of local services disccovery 14:15:30 fjh: did I get this right 14:15:34 richt: yes 14:15:59 richt: we probably should avoid confusing things with more text but might want to clarify on the home page 14:16:02 richt: it probably makes sense to clarify the deliverables on the DAP home page or on the mailing list further. 14:16:02 nwidell: ok 14:16:40 + +1.303.661.aadd 14:17:41 fjh: could also clarify on w3 description page however not sure how much this is looked at 14:17:51 zakim, where is 303? 14:17:51 North American dialing code 1.303 is Colorado 14:18:33 fjh: please continue the discussion that is ongoing on the list, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0141.html 14:18:47 Topic: "Web Intents Addendum - Local Services" FPWD 14:18:48 Network Service Discovery Working Draft has been prepared and uploaded at dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html 14:18:56 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/discovery-api/WD.html FYI 14:19:20 s|Topic: "Web Intents Addendum - Local Services" FPWD|| 14:19:27 Topic: "Web Intents Addendum - Local Services" FPWD 14:19:37 FPWD publication in progress for 4 October 2012, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/523263026147/wi-addendum-local-services/FPWD/FPWD.html 14:19:45 member only chairs list - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2012OctDec/0004.html 14:19:57 fjh: publication in progress, should be published tomorrow. 14:20:03 Zakim, aadd is Clarke 14:20:03 +Clarke; got it 14:20:07 Topic: Pick Contacts Web Intent 14:20:15 CfC extended to 22 October - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0000.html 14:20:42 Present+ Alexander_Salas 14:20:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0002.html 14:21:22 jungkee: wish to discuss this on mailing list, ??? and filtering capability 14:21:27 Clarke_ has joined #dap 14:21:41 s/\?\?\?/startActivity/ 14:22:11 fjh: it would be good to have list discussion before the F2F so we can resolve at the F2F 14:22:35 nwidell: were not extras already removed from Web Intents specification 14:22:38 fjh: I think so 14:23:13 jungkee: the information can be put elsewhere to support the use case 14:23:16 s/I think so/yes/ 14:23:35 junkgee: we will need to figure out what to do if we want to have this use case 14:24:56 fjh: we can now cleanly have various JSON key value pairs so should be able to have this information 14:25:19 fjh: you had -1 to CfC since we need to filter not just receive entire contact 14:25:36 nwidell: yes, data minimization is importat 14:25:42 s/importat/important/ 14:26:12 nwidell: at a minimum need some ability to say what is wanted, to avoid always requesting all 14:26:33 fjh: please continue this on the list 14:26:40 Present+ Niklas_Widell 14:27:01 Topic: Pick Media Intent 14:27:09 Demo posted, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0001.html 14:27:33 jungkee: this is the demo I showed at the last F2F 14:27:37 http://jungkees.github.com/media-intent/ 14:28:00 ... put two services in this , flickr and youtube search with keywords 14:28:42 jungkee: try it out, demo to help move the spec forward 14:28:54 ... "I would like to find some service and content provider who can volunteer to implement better reference services 14:29:16 fjh: we need to figure out how to reach out to non-WG members 14:29:28 jungkee: need to reach out via Web Intents, maybe Google can help 14:29:52 fjh: I note that your message went to the WebIntents list and TF chairs 14:30:28 jungkee: want to talk about metadata and service level protocol information 14:30:48 ... need to integrate with other services 14:31:21 Topic: TPAC F2F planning 14:31:31 Deadline for TPAC registration is end of next week (well, 16 Oct), do not wait until end: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Registration 14:31:46 fjh: if you do not register by the deadline the daily fee goes up by a large amount 14:31:58 also, please complete WG questionnaire (before Friday this week) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/dapf2ftpac2012/ 14:32:13 fjh: please complete WG questionnaire if you have not, even if you do not plan to attend or if you plan to dial in 14:32:28 Draft agenda (updated) http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France 14:32:54 fjh: have updated draft agenda with breaks/lunch. Please review and comment on list if needed, otherwise we will work to this. 14:33:08 fjh: also changed day start/end times so please look at it 14:33:21 Topic: Action review 14:33:31 close ACTION-580 14:33:31 ACTION-580 Extend CfC for removing search from Pick Contacts Intent closed 14:33:40 ACTION-581? 14:33:40 ACTION-581 -- Frederick Hirsch to follow up on converting shelved documents to Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised Rec document... -- due 2012-10-03 -- OPEN 14:33:40 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/581 14:34:15 fjh: on approach plan to continue current approach, details outlined here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0006.html 14:34:35 darobin has joined #dap 14:35:13 fjh: all working drafts change during development, that is to be expected, but if we set one aside knowing it will change later, we need to be really clear with a note in the document 14:35:23 fjh: we've done that for all but sensors, need to update that one 14:35:52 fjh: also shelved calendar - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Oct/0008.html 14:36:12 close ACTION-581 14:36:12 ACTION-581 Follow up on converting shelved documents to Notes (possibly not published), addressing question of shortname for revised Rec document... closed 14:36:45 fjh: I have started following up with people on actions offline but have not completed doing so 14:36:54 ACTION-474? 14:36:54 ACTION-474 -- Adrian Bateman to make a proposal for Network Information API -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN 14:36:54 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/474 14:37:07 fjh: Adrian indeed is working on this, still in progress 14:37:23 ACTION-474: Adrian indeed is working on this, still in progress 14:37:23 ACTION-474 Make a proposal for Network Information API notes added 14:37:59 Topic: Other Business 14:38:04 http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-api-design-20121002/ 14:38:20 Web API Design Cookbook has been published 14:38:27 ACTION-568 14:38:41 s/ACTION-568// 14:38:47 close ACTION-568 14:38:47 ACTION-568 Work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE closed 14:38:57 s/Topic: Other Business// 14:39:02 Topic: Other Business 14:39:37 fjh: no call next week, next call is 17 October, see schedule http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html 14:39:56 Present+ Cathy_Chan 14:40:55 -richt_ 14:40:57 - +46.1.07.15.aacc 14:40:57 -Clarke 14:40:59 -Cathy 14:41:01 -Jungkee 14:41:08 -dtran 14:41:10 Zakim, aacc is nwidell 14:41:10 sorry, nwidell, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc' 14:41:29 fjh: please review the F2F agenda and think how we can prepare to have a productive F2F. Any materials shared or issues raised on the list in advance would be very helpful. 14:41:40 fjh: Please also continue list discussions on ongoing issues 14:41:46 fjh: thanks 14:41:50 Topic: Adjourn 14:41:52 -ccourtney 14:41:54 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:41:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/03-dap-minutes.html fjh 14:43:31 fjh_ has joined #dap 14:45:01 -fjh 14:45:02 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 14:45:02 Attendees were +1.757.825.aaaa, fjh, +1.503.542.aabb, richt_, Jungkee, ccourtney, dtran, Cathy, +46.1.07.15.aacc, +1.303.661.aadd, Clarke 14:54:28 fjh_ has left #dap 15:36:03 darobin_ has joined #dap 15:57:58 richt_ has joined #dap 16:41:27 Zakim has left #dap 17:36:46 sicking has joined #dap 19:05:07 sicking has joined #dap 19:30:53 sicking has joined #dap 20:18:39 sicking has joined #dap 20:39:06 sicking has joined #dap 20:44:09 sicking has joined #dap