18:55:50 RRSAgent has joined #au 18:55:50 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/01-au-irc 18:55:56 Zakim, this will be AUWG 18:55:56 ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 18:56:02 Meeting: WAI AU 18:56:21 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JulSep/0055.html 18:59:29 jeanne has joined #au 18:59:42 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 18:59:49 +Jeanne 19:00:58 +[IPcaller] 19:01:23 trackbot, start meeting 19:01:25 RRSAgent, make logs public 19:01:27 +[Microsoft] 19:01:27 Zakim, this will be AUWG 19:01:28 ok, trackbot, I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM already started 19:01:28 Meeting: Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 19:01:28 Date: 01 October 2012 19:01:30 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 19:01:30 +Jan; got it 19:02:10 zakim, [Microsoft] is really Cherie 19:02:10 +Cherie; got it 19:02:42 +[IPcaller] 19:03:03 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jutta 19:03:03 +Jutta; got it 19:03:07 Chair: Jutta 19:03:09 rrsagent, make logs public 19:03:14 Scribe: Jan 19:06:36 + +1.571.765.aaaa 19:07:46 Greg has joined #au 19:08:08 zakim, aaaa is really Greg 19:08:08 +Greg; got it 19:10:13 + +1.970.349.aabb 19:10:57 zakim, aabb is really Sueann 19:10:57 +Sueann; got it 19:11:24 Topic: 1. Voting on whether to publish the "Implementing ATAG 2.0" (NOTE) Editor's Draft as our required heart-beat publication. 19:11:47 +Tim_Boland 19:11:49 JT: As noted, this will give reviewers a sneak peek of changes we have made to the ATAG2 spec 19:11:59 JT: Taking vote 19:12:04 SN: Agree 19:12:10 CE: Fine 19:12:29 +1 to publishing 19:12:45 Jan: +1 19:13:02 Greg says yes 19:13:22 TB: Is it aligned with LC? 19:13:46 JR: Not exactly, it does include changes we have made based on LC comments 19:13:54 TB: Should have note, could be confusing 19:14:02 JT: We can add a not explaining that 19:14:18 JT: The motion is passed, so we will publish...when can we? 19:14:40 JS: ASPA...probably next week...def before TPAC 19:14:53 JS: It was important not to muddle LC status of the rec track doc 19:15:16 Resolution: All agreed to publish the Implementing ATAG doc 19:16:12 TB: Extended teleconference on Oct 31? 19:16:26 JT: That was a proposal 19:17:01 JS: Last I remember we didn't agree on something 19:18:19 The last time we discussed a f to f was questioning the wisdom of holding one during hurricane season in Boca 19:18:39 JR: I think that text was from last year 19:19:36 JR: The main thing we need to do work on are the tests 19:19:52 JT: So the main thing we are doing is writing tests for the SCs 19:20:13 JT: We also need to gather evaluators and reviewers? 19:20:20 JS: Yes, that needs to be done. 19:21:01 JT: Implementors of ATAG2 and then evalutors/reviewers - people to check those implementations. 19:21:57 JT: Question is what kind of meeting do we need to put together all of this? 19:22:22 JS: I remember from wcag2 testing that there was not a lot of group work...there was a lot of coord and a lot of individual work... 19:22:47 JS: I could certainly see a meeting to draft and agree on CR exit conditions....but thats it for group work... 19:22:59 JS: What we really need is a run trhough of testing. 19:23:41 SN: Are you looking for people or implementations?\ 19:23:49 JT: People 19:24:29 SN: So we have SCs with tests then we need implementations? 19:24:59 JT: So to clarify, you and I had been talking about gathering some people to do the testing. 19:25:34 JS: Right and then the WG needs to stand behind those testers 19:25:53 JR: Clarigy? 19:26:39 JS: Well, the WG reviews the work that the reviewers do and then they take a vote to say that we think we are done with CR. 19:27:06 JS: Would take at least 6 weeks after we vote to become a Rec 19:27:41 GP: How many implementations do we really need? Is it ok if we have one tool that meets just one SC... etc. 19:28:07 JS: Its a tricky answer...largely we decide that...but we have to be credible...we have to show implementations in the real world 19:29:18 JS: I know JB would like to see examples in various different market niches...blogs, CMSs,, LMSs, etc 19:29:58 GP: Our problem is a process issues....need to be able to track whether there is an example for SC...and then show where that is 19:30:17 GP: Until we get examples for each we cant move forward? 19:30:36 JS: Well, we can declare that certain SCs are "at risk". 19:30:49 JS: Need at least two examples, 19:31:20 JS: JR had that spreadsheet showing that 19:31:39 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/implementation_report_10june2011.html 19:32:29 JR: There is a newer one...with more columns....I can update 19:32:42 JT: Great make sure to update the spreadhseet 19:33:03 JT: And people not working on the testing pls help with that 19:33:19 JT: Any other issues? 19:33:57 OK, then lets move to the 2 agenda items 19:34:09 Topic: 3. brief testing approach description (Jan) 19:34:16 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JulSep/0041.html 19:40:37 -Jan 19:48:43 -Sueann 19:49:49 -Cherie 19:55:16 http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ATAG20tests/ATAG2-10April2012PublicWD-Tests-rev20120813 19:56:42 I vote for Integration 19:57:01 Happy Thanksgivign 19:57:39 -Greg 19:57:40 -Tim_Boland 19:57:43 rrsagent, make minutes 19:57:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/01-au-minutes.html jeanne 19:57:52 zakim, bye 19:57:52 leaving. 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