From mdomarat at usgs.gov Mon Nov 1 06:59:04 2004 From: mdomarat at usgs.gov (Michael A Domaratz) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] Re: Odrl-geospatial Digest, Vol 1, Issue 2 Message-ID: This note (much delayed ...apologizes) is a reply to Mr. Iannella's Oct 14 message (see below). I'm sending this note on Dan Wright's behalf and with his knowledge (he returned to school and currently is not following the list). Dan's "resolution" element is not a function of the display device, and is only in part a characteristic of the data. Dan was modeling a business rule in which a distributor has orthophotos for which access to reduced-resolution (a "resolution" of "1" in Dan's example) views of the data was provided for free. For other "resolutions", rights for were provided at no charge to selected communities, and for a fee to all others. 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Geospatial DRM paper (Renato Iannella) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:47:02 +1000 From: Renato Iannella Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] Geospatial DRM paper To: odrl-geospatial@odrl.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Elaine wrote: === I have permission to post an article written by Daniel Wright, entitled "Geospatial Digital Rights Management" The article may be downloaded at: http://metadata.mannlib.cornell.edu/geo_odrl/ ==== This paper covers some good requirements from the geospatial community. I have one question/clarification on the example used to grant the display permission for the asset at the "resolution of 1." Is this characteristic part of the data or the display device? If it is the former, the ODRL has a "quality" constraint, and all you need to define is a URI for "resolution", for example: 1 Cheers Renato Iannella ODRL Initiative http://odrl.net From steven_morris at ncsu.edu Tue Nov 2 04:22:26 2004 From: steven_morris at ncsu.edu (Steve Morris) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] Welcome to the Odrl-geospatial@odrl.net mailing list! In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20041006124752.00c39320@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20041006124752.00c39320@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <418670D2.3030106@ncsu.edu> Hello all, Per Elaine's suggestion here's my brief introduction bit: I've been working with North Carolina State University Libraries' GIS data services program since 1997. I headed up that operation until 2002 and since then have been Head of Digital Library Initiatives, working with a broader sphere of digital repository, digital preservation, and other issues. We are entering into a new three-year project focused on digital preservation of geospatial data, mostly state and local data resources. One of the things we'll be trying to do there is encoding DRM statements (along with other descriptive/technical/administrative metadata) into METS records. My first question: what is (or will be) the relationship between the ODRL geospatial profile and GeoDRM? GeoDRM apears to be focused not just on services but also on data files (GML, etc.), but would appear--at least initially--to be focused more on OGC-spec based data. Could anyone clarify the relationship? Another question: Anyone using the METS Rights Expression schema as a short term approach to handling DRM with geospatial content? Thanks, Steve Elaine L. Westbrooks wrote: > Good Afternoon: > > Welcome to the Odrl-geospatial@odrl.net mailing list! > > Many of you signed up for this list in early August, so I'm sorry > about the delay. The Geospatial Group of the Open Digital Rights > Language Initiative is finally coming to life! The delay in setting > this up can also be attributed to the lack of subscribers from > institutions outside of the US. I've been trying to identify people > who may be interested. I know that there are lots of interesting > things going on in Europe, Asia, Australia (to name a few regions) in > the area of geospatial data management. > > The web page for the mailing list is: > http://www.odrl.net/Profiles/Geospatial/ > List archives can be found at: > http://lists.odrl.net/pipermail/odrl-geospatial/ > > Although as a working group, we have been formally charged with the > responsibility of creating a ODRL profile for geospatial data and > drafting best practicess, this list is primarily designed to be a > common meeting ground to discuss rights issues for those of us working > with geospatial information. Susanne Guth will be are liason > and we can certainly touch base with Renato > Iannella, the driving force behind ODRL. > > I don't expect the volume to be high on this list. Out of courtesy to > others, when possible, do not send attachments in your messages (mount > your files to a public webserver instead). If someone would like to > help me manage and moderate, I'd welcome it. > > I have permission to post an article written by Daniel Wright, > entitled "Geospatial Digital Rights Management" The article may be > downloaded at: http://metadata.mannlib.cornell.edu/geo_odrl/ > > I invite everyone to send a brief message to the list as an > introduction. I'll start it off: > > I have been a metadata librarian at Albert Mann Library at Cornell > University since 2000 where I serve as the metadata specialist for the > Cornell University Geospatial Information Repository (CUGIR) > . I also do a lot of work with the > various digital library projects that incorporate METS, Dublin Core, > TEI, DSpace, and OAI. Because of my interest in bridging the 2 worlds > of GIS and Digital Libraries, I became quite interested in rights > expression and management. > > I will out of the office from now until October 25, but I do plan to > check my email during that time. > > I hope to hear from many of you soon! > > Kind Regards, > Elaine > > Elaine L. Westbrooks > Metadata Librarian > Albert R. Mann Library > Cornell University > Ithaca, NY 14851 > > 607.255.3973 > mailto:elw25@cornell.edu > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Odrl-geospatial mailing list >Odrl-geospatial@odrl.net >http://lists.odrl.net/mailman/listinfo/odrl-geospatial > > -- Steve Morris Head of Digital Library Initiatives North Carolina State University Libraries Phone: (919) 515-1361 Fax: (919) 513-3553 Steven_Morris@ncsu.edu From renato at odrl.net Tue Nov 2 15:47:19 2004 From: renato at odrl.net (Renato Iannella) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] Re: Odrl-geospatial Digest, Vol 1, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47200104-2C8A-11D9-B2EB-00306541C018@odrl.net> On 1 Nov 2004, at 05:59, Michael A Domaratz wrote: > Dan's "resolution" element is not a function of the display device, > and is > only in part a characteristic of the data. Dan was modeling a business > rule > in which a distributor has orthophotos for which access to > reduced-resolution (a "resolution" of "1" in Dan's example) views of > the > data was provided for free. For other "resolutions", rights for were > provided at no charge to selected communities, and for a fee to all > others. Thanks for the clarification Michael - It does sound like we can use the ODRL constraint then. Cheers Renato Iannella http://renato.iannella.it From renato at odrl.net Tue Nov 2 15:50:35 2004 From: renato at odrl.net (Renato Iannella) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] GeoDRM In-Reply-To: <418670D2.3030106@ncsu.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20041006124752.00c39320@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <418670D2.3030106@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: On 2 Nov 2004, at 03:22, Steve Morris wrote: > My first question: what is (or will be) the relationship between the > ODRL geospatial profile and GeoDRM? GeoDRM apears to be focused not > just on services but also on data files (GML, etc.), but would > appear--at least initially--to be focused more on OGC-spec based data. Hi Steve - do you have any links to this group or any work that they have completed? We can certainly work with them to produce a joint spec?? Cheers Renato Iannella ODRL Initiative http://odrl.net From steven_morris at ncsu.edu Wed Nov 3 01:54:21 2004 From: steven_morris at ncsu.edu (Steve Morris) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] GeoDRM In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.2.20041006124752.00c39320@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> <418670D2.3030106@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <41879F9D.6020507@ncsu.edu> The GeoDRM web site is at: http://www.opengeospatial.org/groups/?iid=129 Note that the web site expresses an interest in learning from the library experience, citing Harlan Onsrud's article at: http://www.geoall.net/library_harlanonsrud.html The initiative more or less kicked off in May with a GeoDRM workshop co-led by the Open Geospatial Consortium (GC) and the GeoData Alliance: http://www.geoall.net/upcomingevents.html The FGDC the Open Data Consortium Project are also involved. There is a GeoDRM initiative mailing list but it is closed to OGC members--we've been working at membership status but are not there yet so I haven't been able to get at the email archives. See: http://mail.opengeospatial.org/mailman/listinfo/geodrm I'd been hoping to get involved in this back in May but have been stuck on the membership thing. Apparently the initial "road map" of the working group is: "1. to understand the scope of the issues. As a starting point the group will work from the DRM use cases studies carried out by the UK Joint Information Systems Committee (JISC). Governmental data providers, commercial data providers, commercial system providers, technology providers and systems integrators all need to be involved in developing the GeoDRM use cases. 2. to relate the identified use cases to existing, mainstream DRM solutions; 3. to ensure that the OGC specification will be compatible with GeoDRM solutions (possibly by providing 'hooks', such as a element, into the developing OGC service specifications);" (cited from: http://www.space.qinetiq.com/icp2/downloads/EOSIG-INF-RPT-003.pdf) There was a solicitation of DRM use cases before that discussion but the use case templates were restricted to member access--I'd hoped to contribute some library use cases (consumption and licensing of a services as opposed to just data is a growing issue for us) I did get a chance to see a Powerpoint that showed the "DRM Playing Field" from the GeoDRM perspective--it shows GeoDRM, ODRC, JISC DRM work, and XRML as slightly overlapping areas on the same plan, inferring that ODRL would be taken into consideration. From my observation, the geospatial industry often follows a particular pattern of technology adoption and development: 1) identify problem to be solved 2) study solutions to that problem as found in other industries (comes naturally to GIS as it is inherently cross-industry) 3) formulate a solution tailored to the needs of the geospatial industry and sometimes 4) defer to an industry wide solution (deprecate or adapt the geospatial-specific approach) ... #3 often comes before #4 because the complexity of issues in the geospatial industry often forces early innovation; or requires solutions that reach beyond the mainstream approaches. One thing to consider is the degree to which GeoDRM will cover or not cover geospatial data rights issues outside the realm of OGC specs, services, and OGC-related files (GML, etc.) ... e.g., covering straight download of a shapefile from an FTP site. It occurs to me that I saw a notice of a new GeoDRM related survey--can't find the link at the moment but will send that if I can find it. Steve Renato Iannella wrote: > > On 2 Nov 2004, at 03:22, Steve Morris wrote: > >> My first question: what is (or will be) the relationship between the >> ODRL geospatial profile and GeoDRM? GeoDRM apears to be focused not >> just on services but also on data files (GML, etc.), but would >> appear--at least initially--to be focused more on OGC-spec based data. > > > > Hi Steve - do you have any links to this group or any work that they have > completed? We can certainly work with them to produce a joint spec?? > > Cheers > > Renato Iannella > ODRL Initiative > http://odrl.net > > _______________________________________________ > Odrl-geospatial mailing list > Odrl-geospatial@odrl.net > http://lists.odrl.net/mailman/listinfo/odrl-geospatial -- Steve Morris Head of Digital Library Initiatives North Carolina State University Libraries Phone: (919) 515-1361 Fax: (919) 513-3553 Steven_Morris@ncsu.edu From renato at odrl.net Tue Nov 16 17:29:00 2004 From: renato at odrl.net (Renato Iannella) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] GeoDRM Survey Message-ID: The GeoDRM group is doing a survey on DRM. The press release is here: You can access the survey direct at: (And yes it does list ODRL as one of the DRM technology standards!) Cheers Renato Iannella http://renato.iannella.it From renato at odrl.net Fri Nov 26 12:19:51 2004 From: renato at odrl.net (Renato Iannella) Date: Sat Jun 2 13:28:18 2007 Subject: [Odrl-geospatial] CFP: Second International ODRL Workshop 2005 Message-ID: <459C46B6-3F49-11D9-8565-00306541C018@odrl.net> ============================================= Second International ODRL Workshop **** Call for Participation **** Lisbon, Portugal, 7-8 July 2005 ============================================= The Second International ODRL Workshop continues from the successful First Workshop by bringing together people from research and industry to share current experiences and discuss the continuing development of the language to ensure its future success and strength. The ODRL language expresses rights information used in the open creative industries and commercial Digital Rights Management (DRM) sector. The Workshop will be held in Lisbon, Portugal from Thursday 7 July to Friday 8 July 2005. Submissions are now being sought that cover implementations, research, deployment, and profile extensions of ODRL across all industries and communities. Submissions are also invited from complementary research in the field of Rights Expression Languages and their impact on the DRM and creative sector. The Call for Participation includes the details of the submission requirements for the Workshop: Further information can be obtained from the Program Chairs: - Susanne Guth, Vienna University of Economics and BA, Austria - Carlos Serrao, Adetti, Portugal Email: We look forward to seeing you in Lisbon in 2005. Renato Iannella General Chair 2nd International ODRL Workshop