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13:28:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:28:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:28:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:28:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:28:37 <trackbot> Date: 26 September 2012
13:28:49 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:28:49 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi
13:28:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, shawn, Luz, klaus, Justin_Brown, Mate, nonge__, shadi, trackbot
13:28:56 <shadi> zakim, this is rdwg
13:28:56 <Zakim> rdwg matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi
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13:30:01 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:30:01 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi
13:30:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see Kerstin, markel, silvia_, Zakim, RRSAgent, shawn, Luz, klaus, Justin_Brown, Mate, nonge__, shadi, trackbot
13:30:17 <shadi> zakim, this is RDWG
13:30:17 <Zakim> RDWG matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi
13:30:32 <shadi> zakim, this is 7394
13:30:32 <Zakim> 7394 matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi
13:30:42 <shawn> zakim, this is WAI_RDWG
13:30:42 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shawn
13:30:45 <shadi> zakim, this is WAI_RDWG
13:30:45 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi
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13:33:49 <shadi> scribe: klaus 
13:34:00 <klaus> zakim, mute me
13:34:00 <Zakim> sorry, klaus, I don't know what conference this is
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13:35:13 <shadi> Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (5m)
13:35:13 <shadi> Agenda+ Next Topic Discussions (10m)
13:35:13 <shadi> Agenda+ CfP Simplified Format http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email_Boilerplate (15m) [peter/sharper]
13:35:13 <shadi> Agenda+ Alternative Conference Publishing Venues http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Alternative_Conference_Publishing_Venues 
13:35:13 <shadi> (15m)
13:35:15 <shadi> Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/
13:35:17 <shadi> Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item)
13:35:30 <Kerstin> Hi colleagues. Again I have problems to dial in the teleconference. I'll try again ...
13:35:34 <silvia_> zakim, mute me
13:35:34 <Zakim> sorry, silvia_, I don't know what conference this is
13:35:40 <shadi> 61#
13:35:43 <shadi> 60#
13:36:05 <shawn> to mute: 61# to unmute: 60#
13:36:14 <Luz> 61#
13:36:29 <silvia_> 61#
13:36:35 <klaus> Shadi: additional item: status of symposia
13:36:37 <shadi> agenda+ Status Check on current Symposia
13:37:08 <silvia_> thank you, shadi!
13:37:09 <vivienne> 61#
13:37:32 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:37:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Metrics W3C Note Status (5m)" taken up [from shadi]
13:38:40 <klaus> Reminder to be sent out for commenting
13:38:54 <shawn> q+ to say need to communicate this is the only review period?
13:39:01 <markel> q+
13:39:04 <shawn> ack me
13:39:04 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say need to communicate this is the only review period?
13:39:36 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/accessibility-metrics-report/
13:40:24 <shawn> +1 to markel
13:40:41 <shawn> [ also people wait until deadline :-]
13:42:23 <yeliz> Are we expecting a lot of comments?
13:42:26 <shawn> saz: strong coorlation between how much work goes into soliciting review, and how many comments we get in
13:42:28 <klaus> Shadi: People tend to wait to deadline; not communicated that this is the last opportunity, did we reach the groups? More efforts needed to get comments. Timing is also taff (vacation)
13:43:11 <klaus> Shadi: 2 weeks extension for commenting, Reminding needed.
13:43:37 <yeliz> I also think there won't be many comments
13:43:40 <klaus> Shadi: We should have more than two commenters
13:43:45 <yeliz> As it is research note
13:44:15 <klaus> Shadi: it is also a question of the type of comment (quality)
13:44:31 <shawn> q+ to suggest: 1 or 2 weeks extension. communicate last chance! RDWG solicit feedback from specific people.
13:44:35 <shawn> ack mark
13:44:35 <klaus> Shadi: Also the group members should comment. The more discussion the better the quality
13:44:39 <shawn> ack me
13:44:39 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to suggest: 1 or 2 weeks extension. communicate last chance! RDWG solicit feedback from specific people.
13:45:15 <markel> q+
13:45:22 <yeliz> Good idea
13:45:23 <yeliz> +1
13:45:41 <klaus> Markel: How does this extension overlap with other activities?
13:46:05 <klaus> e2r deadling Oct. 12
13:46:22 <markel> I would delay 1 week at most
13:46:30 <yeliz> +1
13:46:31 <Kerstin> Question: How many submissions have been done? What will an extension mean regarding the remaining period till the symposium?
13:46:31 <Yehya> +1
13:46:31 <klaus> Shadi: one week extension?
13:46:33 <silvia_> I agree: 1 week
13:46:33 <vivienne> okay with 1 week
13:46:38 <klaus> +1
13:46:39 <christos> +1
13:46:40 <Justin_Brown> ok
13:47:11 <klaus> Shadi: Are members willing to forward to experts in metrics and evaluation? Individual messages.
13:47:20 <markel> q+
13:47:24 <vivienne> I'm willing to circulate to individuals
13:47:48 <klaus> Markel: Some people in mind.
13:48:04 <silvia_> I've got a couple of people in mind, and I'm going to contact them 
13:48:33 <klaus> I will also contact some people (eAccess+)
13:48:57 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists
13:49:27 <klaus> Markel: Is it usual to postpone?
13:49:53 <Kerstin> uups.
13:49:58 <klaus> Shadi: If group agrees, this is quite usual. Depends if group is happy with the quality.
13:50:28 <klaus> Shadi: But must not be endless!
13:50:46 <shawn> s/ this is quite usual. / this is quite usual. need to get well vetted /
13:51:19 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 7
13:51:19 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Status Check on current Symposia" taken up [from shadi]
13:51:49 <klaus> Shadi: TC closed submission
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13:52:04 <shadi> zakim, this is RDWG
13:52:04 <Zakim> RDWG matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi
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13:52:11 <markel> 12 submissions is still a good number!
13:52:25 <klaus> Shawn: 12 submissions, only those which were expected, in process of assigning.
13:53:21 <klaus> Shawn: Position papers were submitted - reviewers should take care what kind of paper it is. 
13:53:56 <shadi> http://www.openconf.com/demo/openconf5/review/review.php?pid=1
13:54:31 <yeliz> as far as I know
13:54:33 <yeliz> ye
13:54:34 <yeliz> s
13:54:44 <klaus> Shadi: Can questions be changed?
13:55:11 <yeliz> q+
13:55:20 <shawn> ack y
13:55:35 <markel> q-
13:55:50 <klaus> Yeliz: Not in the configuration - you have to contact open conf people
13:55:58 <shawn> s/only those which were expected/not some that were expected/
13:56:06 <klaus> Shadi: This is not a full version - local copy
13:58:13 <markel> The review form is the traditional one
13:59:01 <markel> q+
13:59:02 <klaus> Shadi: Guidance is sent sepperatly to reviewers. There are criteria but not a lot - main guidance to come from symposium chairs.
13:59:13 <RalphS> RalphS has left #rd
13:59:27 <klaus> Yeliz: Simon knows openconf very well.
14:00:16 <klaus> Markel: There must be a higher profiling opportunity allowing to define questions, criteria, ....
14:00:52 <shadi> http://www.openconf.com/demo/openconf5/chair/index.php?
14:01:58 <klaus> Shadi: We did use it for the last time with the same questions.
14:03:30 <klaus> Shadi: for next two symposia we have it to run it this way.
14:03:53 <klaus> Klaus: With this number of submissions it should be o.k.
14:04:07 <markel> they are very fast responding
14:04:42 <klaus> Shawn: TC deadline for reviewing next week
14:04:58 <shawn> ACTION: Shadi/Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions
14:04:58 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Shadi/Simon
14:05:10 <klaus> Shawn: Comments should go into the text fields.
14:05:13 <shawn> ACTION: Shadi & Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions
14:05:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - & Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-10-03].
14:05:38 <klaus> Shadi looks for the magic solution (-: "ask Simon")
14:05:51 <yeliz> :)
14:06:40 <klaus> Shadi: Reviewers should sign up alread now for e2r
14:06:42 <shawn> [ impressed that most reviewers signup in 12 hours! :-)
14:09:19 <shadi> Topic: Role Call
14:09:53 <yeliz> [Shawn: that shows that you have excellent reviewers, you are lucky:))]
14:10:02 <shadi> previous seminars: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/#publications
14:10:07 <shawn> [ on IRC is: christos, Justin_Brown, Kerstin, klaus, Luz, markel, Mate, mhakkinen, nonge_, shadi, shawn, sylvia_, vivienne, Yehya, yeliz]
14:10:36 <klaus> Marco Hakkinen (sorry for spelling): First chair for the effort, they ran 2 symposia, Currently at Princton, Focus at accessibilty and AT; focus on touch, haptic ...; ITS (educational testing service)
14:10:50 <shadi> s/Marco/Markku
14:11:25 <shadi> s/ITS/ETS
14:13:06 <Luz> 60#
14:13:31 <Luz> 61#
14:16:04 <vivienne> I couldn't hear you ask me for my input over the background noise
14:16:29 <shadi> [[countries on the call today: Greece, Australia, Austria, Spain, UK, US, Italy, Germany, Cyprus]]
14:16:42 <Justin_Brown> we do
14:16:46 <markel> LOL
14:16:48 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47076&public=1
14:16:51 <klaus> we in the zoo
14:17:07 <vivienne> doesn't count Klaus
14:17:13 <klaus> sh...
14:17:15 <Justin_Brown> we eat ours :)
14:17:17 <yeliz> :)
14:17:37 <vivienne> don't we ride them to work?
14:17:52 <shawn> agenda?
14:17:59 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:18:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Next Topic Discussions (10m)" taken up [from shadi]
14:18:07 <shawn> agenda+ mobile note status
14:18:46 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/
14:19:28 <yeliz> Unfortunately, I have to go now, Talk to you next week....
14:19:41 <klaus> Shadi: Next topic early next year - to be selected now. Please add to the wiki. Brush up existing topics. We need a structured discussion on deciding for the next: Up to Simon.
14:20:12 <klaus> Shadi: Please volunteer and write to the email-list why 
14:20:24 <klaus> Shadi: The earlier the better
14:21:04 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:21:04 <Zakim> agendum 3. "CfP Simplified Format http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email_Boilerplate (15m)" taken up [from peter/sharper via shadi]
14:21:49 <klaus> Shadi: Simplified format for Cfp - should help to automate and allow focus on content.
14:22:47 <shawn> yes, helpful
14:23:19 <klaus> Klaus: this is really helpful!
14:24:21 <markel> yeliz is !
14:24:28 <klaus> Shadi: We are behind on notes for mobile topic.
14:24:29 <shawn> q+ to ask about phone
14:24:33 <markel> q-
14:24:38 <shawn> ack me
14:24:38 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask about phone
14:25:00 <klaus> Shawn: Alternate phone connection?
14:25:06 <klaus> Shadi: yes
14:25:38 <markel> bye all!
14:25:39 <vivienne> bye all
14:25:39 <Luz> See you!
14:25:41 <klaus> Thanks and bye
14:25:41 <christos> goodbye
14:25:42 <vivienne> vivienne has left #rd
14:25:42 <silvia_> bye all!
14:25:42 <Justin_Brown> cya
14:26:11 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:26:11 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:26:11 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:26:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:26:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:26:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:26:20 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-rd-actions.rdf :
14:26:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi/Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions [1]
14:26:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-rd-irc#T14-04-58
14:26:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi & Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions [2]
14:26:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-rd-irc#T14-05-13