IRC log of rd on 2012-09-26

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13:28:34 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 7394

13:28:36 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 26 September 2012

13:28:49 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:28:49 [Zakim]

WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi

13:28:50 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, shawn, Luz, klaus, Justin_Brown, Mate, nonge__, shadi, trackbot

13:28:56 [shadi]

zakim, this is rdwg

13:28:56 [Zakim]

rdwg matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi

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13:30:01 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:30:01 [Zakim]

WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi

13:30:02 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Kerstin, markel, silvia_, Zakim, RRSAgent, shawn, Luz, klaus, Justin_Brown, Mate, nonge__, shadi, trackbot

13:30:17 [shadi]

zakim, this is RDWG

13:30:17 [Zakim]

RDWG matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi

13:30:32 [shadi]

zakim, this is 7394

13:30:32 [Zakim]

7394 matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi

13:30:42 [shawn]

zakim, this is WAI_RDWG

13:30:42 [Zakim]

WAI_RDWG matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shawn

13:30:45 [shadi]

zakim, this is WAI_RDWG

13:30:45 [Zakim]

WAI_RDWG matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi

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13:33:49 [shadi]

scribe: klaus

13:34:00 [klaus]

zakim, mute me

13:34:00 [Zakim]

sorry, klaus, I don't know what conference this is

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13:35:13 [shadi]

Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (5m)

13:35:13 [shadi]

Agenda+ Next Topic Discussions (10m)

13:35:13 [shadi]

Agenda+ CfP Simplified Format http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email_Boilerplate (15m) [peter/sharper]

13:35:13 [shadi]

Agenda+ Alternative Conference Publishing Venues http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Alternative_Conference_Publishing_Venues

13:35:13 [shadi]

(15m)

13:35:15 [shadi]

Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/

13:35:17 [shadi]

Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item)

13:35:30 [Kerstin]

Hi colleagues. Again I have problems to dial in the teleconference. I'll try again ...

13:35:34 [silvia_]

zakim, mute me

13:35:34 [Zakim]

sorry, silvia_, I don't know what conference this is

13:35:40 [shadi]

61#

13:35:43 [shadi]

60#

13:36:05 [shawn]

to mute: 61# to unmute: 60#

13:36:14 [Luz]

61#

13:36:29 [silvia_]

61#

13:36:35 [klaus]

Shadi: additional item: status of symposia

13:36:37 [shadi]

agenda+ Status Check on current Symposia

13:37:08 [silvia_]

thank you, shadi!

13:37:09 [vivienne]

61#

13:37:32 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

13:37:32 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Metrics W3C Note Status (5m)" taken up [from shadi]

13:38:40 [klaus]

Reminder to be sent out for commenting

13:38:54 [shawn]

q+ to say need to communicate this is the only review period?

13:39:01 [markel]

q+

13:39:04 [shawn]

ack me

13:39:04 [Zakim]

shawn, you wanted to say need to communicate this is the only review period?

13:39:36 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/TR/accessibility-metrics-report/

13:40:24 [shawn]

+1 to markel

13:40:41 [shawn]

[ also people wait until deadline :-]

13:42:23 [yeliz]

Are we expecting a lot of comments?

13:42:26 [shawn]

saz: strong coorlation between how much work goes into soliciting review, and how many comments we get in

13:42:28 [klaus]

Shadi: People tend to wait to deadline; not communicated that this is the last opportunity, did we reach the groups? More efforts needed to get comments. Timing is also taff (vacation)

13:43:11 [klaus]

Shadi: 2 weeks extension for commenting, Reminding needed.

13:43:37 [yeliz]

I also think there won't be many comments

13:43:40 [klaus]

Shadi: We should have more than two commenters

13:43:45 [yeliz]

As it is research note

13:44:15 [klaus]

Shadi: it is also a question of the type of comment (quality)

13:44:31 [shawn]

q+ to suggest: 1 or 2 weeks extension. communicate last chance! RDWG solicit feedback from specific people.

13:44:35 [shawn]

ack mark

13:44:35 [klaus]

Shadi: Also the group members should comment. The more discussion the better the quality

13:44:39 [shawn]

ack me

13:44:39 [Zakim]

shawn, you wanted to suggest: 1 or 2 weeks extension. communicate last chance! RDWG solicit feedback from specific people.

13:45:15 [markel]

q+

13:45:22 [yeliz]

Good idea

13:45:23 [yeliz]

+1

13:45:41 [klaus]

Markel: How does this extension overlap with other activities?

13:46:05 [klaus]

e2r deadling Oct. 12

13:46:22 [markel]

I would delay 1 week at most

13:46:30 [yeliz]

+1

13:46:31 [Kerstin]

Question: How many submissions have been done? What will an extension mean regarding the remaining period till the symposium?

13:46:31 [Yehya]

+1

13:46:31 [klaus]

Shadi: one week extension?

13:46:33 [silvia_]

I agree: 1 week

13:46:33 [vivienne]

okay with 1 week

13:46:38 [klaus]

+1

13:46:39 [christos]

+1

13:46:40 [Justin_Brown]

ok

13:47:11 [klaus]

Shadi: Are members willing to forward to experts in metrics and evaluation? Individual messages.

13:47:20 [markel]

q+

13:47:24 [vivienne]

I'm willing to circulate to individuals

13:47:48 [klaus]

Markel: Some people in mind.

13:48:04 [silvia_]

I've got a couple of people in mind, and I'm going to contact them

13:48:33 [klaus]

I will also contact some people (eAccess+)

13:48:57 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists

13:49:27 [klaus]

Markel: Is it usual to postpone?

13:49:53 [Kerstin]

uups.

13:49:58 [klaus]

Shadi: If group agrees, this is quite usual. Depends if group is happy with the quality.

13:50:28 [klaus]

Shadi: But must not be endless!

13:50:46 [shawn]

s/ this is quite usual. / this is quite usual. need to get well vetted /

13:51:19 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 7

13:51:19 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "Status Check on current Symposia" taken up [from shadi]

13:51:49 [klaus]

Shadi: TC closed submission

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13:52:04 [shadi]

zakim, this is RDWG

13:52:04 [Zakim]

RDWG matches both WAI_RDWG()9:30AM and WAI_RDWG()9:30AM, shadi

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13:52:11 [markel]

12 submissions is still a good number!

13:52:25 [klaus]

Shawn: 12 submissions, only those which were expected, in process of assigning.

13:53:21 [klaus]

Shawn: Position papers were submitted - reviewers should take care what kind of paper it is.

13:53:56 [shadi]

http://www.openconf.com/demo/openconf5/review/review.php?pid=1

13:54:31 [yeliz]

as far as I know

13:54:33 [yeliz]

ye

13:54:34 [yeliz]

s

13:54:44 [klaus]

Shadi: Can questions be changed?

13:55:11 [yeliz]

q+

13:55:20 [shawn]

ack y

13:55:35 [markel]

q-

13:55:50 [klaus]

Yeliz: Not in the configuration - you have to contact open conf people

13:55:58 [shawn]

s/only those which were expected/not some that were expected/

13:56:06 [klaus]

Shadi: This is not a full version - local copy

13:58:13 [markel]

The review form is the traditional one

13:59:01 [markel]

q+

13:59:02 [klaus]

Shadi: Guidance is sent sepperatly to reviewers. There are criteria but not a lot - main guidance to come from symposium chairs.

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13:59:27 [klaus]

Yeliz: Simon knows openconf very well.

14:00:16 [klaus]

Markel: There must be a higher profiling opportunity allowing to define questions, criteria, ....

14:00:52 [shadi]

http://www.openconf.com/demo/openconf5/chair/index.php?

14:01:58 [klaus]

Shadi: We did use it for the last time with the same questions.

14:03:30 [klaus]

Shadi: for next two symposia we have it to run it this way.

14:03:53 [klaus]

Klaus: With this number of submissions it should be o.k.

14:04:07 [markel]

they are very fast responding

14:04:42 [klaus]

Shawn: TC deadline for reviewing next week

14:04:58 [shawn]

ACTION: Shadi/Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions

14:04:58 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Shadi/Simon

14:05:10 [klaus]

Shawn: Comments should go into the text fields.

14:05:13 [shawn]

ACTION: Shadi & Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions

14:05:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-31 - & Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-10-03].

14:05:38 [klaus]

Shadi looks for the magic solution (-: "ask Simon")

14:05:51 [yeliz]

:)

14:06:40 [klaus]

Shadi: Reviewers should sign up alread now for e2r

14:06:42 [shawn]

[ impressed that most reviewers signup in 12 hours! :-)

14:09:19 [shadi]

Topic: Role Call

14:09:53 [yeliz]

[Shawn: that shows that you have excellent reviewers, you are lucky:))]

14:10:02 [shadi]

previous seminars: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/#publications

14:10:07 [shawn]

[ on IRC is: christos, Justin_Brown, Kerstin, klaus, Luz, markel, Mate, mhakkinen, nonge_, shadi, shawn, sylvia_, vivienne, Yehya, yeliz]

14:10:36 [klaus]

Marco Hakkinen (sorry for spelling): First chair for the effort, they ran 2 symposia, Currently at Princton, Focus at accessibilty and AT; focus on touch, haptic ...; ITS (educational testing service)

14:10:50 [shadi]

s/Marco/Markku

14:11:25 [shadi]

s/ITS/ETS

14:13:06 [Luz]

60#

14:13:31 [Luz]

61#

14:16:04 [vivienne]

I couldn't hear you ask me for my input over the background noise

14:16:29 [shadi]

[[countries on the call today: Greece, Australia, Austria, Spain, UK, US, Italy, Germany, Cyprus]]

14:16:42 [Justin_Brown]

we do

14:16:46 [markel]

LOL

14:16:48 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47076&public=1

14:16:51 [klaus]

we in the zoo

14:17:07 [vivienne]

doesn't count Klaus

14:17:13 [klaus]

sh...

14:17:15 [Justin_Brown]

we eat ours :)

14:17:17 [yeliz]

:)

14:17:37 [vivienne]

don't we ride them to work?

14:17:52 [shawn]

agenda?

14:17:59 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

14:18:00 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Next Topic Discussions (10m)" taken up [from shadi]

14:18:07 [shawn]

agenda+ mobile note status

14:18:46 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/

14:19:28 [yeliz]

Unfortunately, I have to go now, Talk to you next week....

14:19:41 [klaus]

Shadi: Next topic early next year - to be selected now. Please add to the wiki. Brush up existing topics. We need a structured discussion on deciding for the next: Up to Simon.

14:20:12 [klaus]

Shadi: Please volunteer and write to the email-list why

14:20:24 [klaus]

Shadi: The earlier the better

14:21:04 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:21:04 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "CfP Simplified Format http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/CfP_Email_Boilerplate (15m)" taken up [from peter/sharper via shadi]

14:21:49 [klaus]

Shadi: Simplified format for Cfp - should help to automate and allow focus on content.

14:22:47 [shawn]

yes, helpful

14:23:19 [klaus]

Klaus: this is really helpful!

14:24:21 [markel]

yeliz is !

14:24:28 [klaus]

Shadi: We are behind on notes for mobile topic.

14:24:29 [shawn]

q+ to ask about phone

14:24:33 [markel]

q-

14:24:38 [shawn]

ack me

14:24:38 [Zakim]

shawn, you wanted to ask about phone

14:25:00 [klaus]

Shawn: Alternate phone connection?

14:25:06 [klaus]

Shadi: yes

14:25:38 [markel]

bye all!

14:25:39 [vivienne]

bye all

14:25:39 [Luz]

See you!

14:25:41 [klaus]

Thanks and bye

14:25:41 [christos]

goodbye

14:25:42 [vivienne]

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14:25:42 [silvia_]

bye all!

14:25:42 [Justin_Brown]

cya

14:26:11 [shadi]

trackbot, end meeting

14:26:11 [trackbot]

Zakim, list attendees

14:26:11 [Zakim]

sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

14:26:19 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:26:19 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-rd-minutes.html trackbot

14:26:20 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

14:26:20 [RRSAgent]

I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-rd-actions.rdf :

14:26:20 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Shadi/Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-rd-irc#T14-04-58

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ACTION: Shadi & Simon - OpenConf - figure out how to customize the review questions [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/26-rd-irc#T14-05-13