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13:57:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 20 September 2012
13:58:02 <mmartin3> chair 
13:58:04 <mmartin3> sean hayes
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13:59:38 <mmartin3> zakim, microsoft is mmartin3
13:59:38 <Zakim> +mmartin3; got it
14:00:17 <Zakim> +pal
14:00:23 <mmartin3> scribe mmartin3
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14:01:12 <mmartin3> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:01:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see mmartin3, pal, Sean, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +1.858.882.aaaa
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14:01:55 <mmartin3> zakim, who is on the phone
14:01:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', mmartin3
14:02:07 <mmartin3> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see mmartin3, pal, Sean, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +1.858.882.aaaa, +41.22.717.aabb
14:02:15 <Frans> Frans
14:02:20 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
14:02:42 <mmartin3> zakim, a.858.882.aaaa is mike
14:02:42 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named 'a.858.882.aaaa'
14:03:17 <mmartin3> zakim, +1.858.882.aaaa is mike
14:03:17 <Zakim> +mike; got it
14:03:25 <Zakim> + +1.212.664.aacc
14:03:37 <mmartin3> zakim, +41.22.717.aabb is frans
14:03:37 <Zakim> +frans; got it
14:03:51 <mmartin3> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see mmartin3, pal, Sean, mike, frans, +1.212.664.aacc
14:05:23 <mmartin3> zakim, +1.212.664.aacc is tbause
14:05:23 <Zakim> +tbause; got it
14:05:32 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
14:05:32 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been mmartin3, pal, Sean, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, mike, frans, tbause
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14:05:56 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
14:05:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been mmartin3, pal, Sean, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, mike, frans, tbause
14:06:09 <mijordan> Andrew_Kirkpatrick is actually mijordan
14:06:12 <mmartin3> Topic: Editorial Updates
14:07:00 <Zakim> +Plh
14:10:26 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Described the changes made by Glenn and then his questions.
14:10:33 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
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14:11:16 <mmartin3> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html
14:11:36 <mmartin3> http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml10-sdp-us/
14:12:40 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Section 6.6.2
14:13:04 <mmartin3> Do not add a statement to Section 6.6.2.
14:14:07 <mmartin3> Section 8.1.2
14:14:10 <mmartin3> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0040.html
14:14:24 <mmartin3> Received questions what is rollup?
14:15:56 <mmartin3> mike: Do we need normative content on what rollup is?
14:16:07 <mmartin3> sean: Removed text. Added descriptive text.
14:18:15 <mmartin3> sean: Capture that duration is allowed on <p> elements.
14:18:33 <mmartin3> R0020 related to Section 8.1.2
14:18:55 <mmartin3> R0020 - Processors must support the capability to present documents in the following common forms:  •Pop-up  •Roll-up  •Paint-on
14:19:23 <mmartin3> sean: Perhaps we could relax this requirement.
14:19:32 <mmartin3> Use examples.
14:20:05 <mmartin3> Introduction and examples could be used.
14:20:17 <mmartin3> mmartin3: We show how the styles are accomplished.
14:21:06 <mmartin3> Change R0020 into introductory text and examples.
14:21:35 <mmartin3> Action: Glenn Make changes in Section 8.1.2 as specified http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0040.html.
14:21:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Make changes in Section 8.1.2 as specified http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0040.html. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-27].
14:22:07 <mmartin3> Action: Glenn Delete R0020 and add introductory text about these styles with descriptions for Section 6.4.2.
14:22:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Delete R0020 and add introductory text about these styles with descriptions for Section 6.4.2. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-27].
14:22:33 <mmartin3> Section 7.1.1
14:22:53 <mmartin3> mike: Won't change performance.
14:23:07 <mmartin3> Make profile different from CFF-TT.
14:23:32 <mmartin3> What was the reason for this requirement to start?
14:23:55 <mmartin3> sean: 608 data lines allowed at one time.
14:24:50 <mmartin3> May also be in conflict with EBU-TT as well.
14:25:00 <mmartin3> Mark element as at risk.
14:27:27 <mmartin3> Mike will create an issue on R0040 for EBU-TT and CFF-TT.
14:28:26 <mmartin3> Section 8.3
14:28:52 <mmartin3> sean: Player has to support #frameRateMultiplier but document may or may not contain it.
14:29:18 <mmartin3> Profiles haven't been historically applied to the player.
14:29:23 <mmartin3> Presentation processor
14:30:35 <mmartin3> Leave open until profile discussion is resolved.
14:31:40 <mmartin3> Appendix A.1
14:32:49 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Glenn has applied the changed and put in corrected language.
14:33:04 <mmartin3> Corrected language that was actually in the action but he didn't see.
14:33:11 <mmartin3> Abstract
14:33:34 <mmartin3> mike: Glenn changed language.
14:33:40 <mmartin3> Some features aren't supported.
14:34:29 <mmartin3> No objections on "intended to support".
14:36:44 <mmartin3> Topic: Issues
14:36:47 <mmartin3> Issue-180?
14:36:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-180 -- regions relative to the root container -- raised
14:36:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/180
14:38:23 <mmartin3> mike: Explains issue.
14:38:52 <mmartin3> sean: Can position outside the root container but they are invisible.
14:39:26 <mmartin3> mike: Scenario doesn't make sense.
14:39:52 <mmartin3> Not interoperable.
14:40:01 <mmartin3> sean: Similar to CSS.
14:40:23 <mmartin3> For profile we may want to constrain the values so they are inside the root container.
14:41:25 <mmartin3> Idea of an infinite canvas.
14:42:02 <Zakim> -mike
14:42:08 <mmartin3> Members are asked to review.
14:42:42 <mmartin3> Action: Sean investigate how this is handled in TTML 1.0. re: Issue-180 on values inside the root container.
14:42:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Investigate how this is handled in TTML 1.0. re: Issue-180 on values inside the root container. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-09-27].
14:42:56 <Zakim> +mike
14:45:40 <mmartin3> Action: Mike propose requirement to constrain to the root container in SDP-US (see Action-101 and Issue-180).
14:45:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-105 - Propose requirement to constrain to the root container in SDP-US (see Action-101 and Issue-180). [on Mike Dolan - due 2012-09-27].
14:45:56 <mmartin3> Defer Issue-182
14:45:59 <mmartin3> Defer-183
14:46:15 <mmartin3> c/Defer-183/Defer Issue-183
14:46:19 <mmartin3> Issue-184?
14:46:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- set animation is not taken is not account in the computed style set -- raised
14:46:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/184
14:46:47 <mmartin3> sean: Explanation Doesn't account for the animation occurs.
14:46:54 <mmartin3> c/for/for when
14:47:01 <mmartin3> Discuss Sept. 21.
14:47:52 <mmartin3> Topic: Liaison document
14:48:01 <mmartin3> Posted.
14:48:35 <mmartin3> mike: Give update on why this was done.
14:49:16 <mmartin3> Mapping of US government requirements to TTML.
14:49:24 <mmartin3> Does SDP meet those requirements?
14:50:03 <mmartin3> IMF features
14:51:44 <plh> q+
14:51:55 <mmartin3> sean: We have discussed some of these issues but they had been deferred.
14:52:36 <mmartin3> plh: The statements - one are technical requirements for TTML.How can we work on technical requirements that are not public?
14:53:15 <mmartin3> mike: Sensitive information is included in IMF details.
14:53:34 <mmartin3> sean: Requirements need to be public.
14:54:05 <mmartin3> Create issues that are independent.
14:55:41 <mmartin3> Action: Mike ask SMPTE if we can make technical requirements public.
14:55:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-106 - Ask SMPTE if we can make technical requirements public. [on Mike Dolan - due 2012-09-27].
14:57:00 <mmartin3> Topic: Meeting Sean is in transit
14:57:11 <mmartin3> plh: Will help if Sean prepares agenda.
14:57:39 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees.
14:57:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been mmartin3, pal, Sean, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, mike, frans, tbause, Plh
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14:57:42 <Zakim> -Plh
14:57:43 <Zakim> -pal
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14:57:44 <Zakim> -frans
14:57:49 <Zakim> -Sean
14:57:50 <mmartin3> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:57:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/20-tt-minutes.html mmartin3
14:58:00 <mmartin3> trackbot, end meting
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14:58:06 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:58:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been mmartin3, pal, Sean, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, mike, frans, tbause, Plh
14:58:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:58:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/20-tt-minutes.html trackbot
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14:58:15 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/20-tt-actions.rdf :
14:58:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Glenn Make changes in Section 8.1.2 as specified http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0040.html. [1]
14:58:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/20-tt-irc#T14-21-35
14:58:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Glenn Delete R0020 and add introductory text about these styles with descriptions for Section 6.4.2. [2]
14:58:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/20-tt-irc#T14-22-07
14:58:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean investigate how this is handled in TTML 1.0. re: Issue-180 on values inside the root container. [3]
14:58:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/20-tt-irc#T14-42-42
14:58:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike propose requirement to constrain to the root container in SDP-US (see Action-101 and Issue-180). [4]
14:58:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/20-tt-irc#T14-45-40
14:58:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike ask SMPTE if we can make technical requirements public. [5]
14:58:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/20-tt-irc#T14-55-41
14:58:23 <Zakim> -mmartin3