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14:51:13 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:51:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:51:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:51:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:51:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
14:51:18 <trackbot> Date: 19 September 2012
14:51:45 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2012JulSep/0130.html
14:51:57 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:52:02 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:52:02 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:52:12 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:52:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:52:40 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:52:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:52:40 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
14:53:04 <aphillip> Regrets: David
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14:57:41 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
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14:59:51 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
14:59:51 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
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15:01:03 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
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15:01:24 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
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15:01:27 <Norbert> zakim, +1.415 is me
15:01:27 <koji> zakim, ??p20 is me
15:01:43 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:01:44 <Zakim> +Norbert; got it
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15:02:56 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
15:03:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see andrewc, fsasaki (muted), aphillip, Norbert, koji, matial (muted)
15:03:06 <r12a> hmm
15:03:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see matial, Norbert, fsasaki, koji, andrewc, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
15:03:15 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:03:15 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:03:18 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda and Minutes
15:03:21 <r12a> and get it right this time 1
15:03:43 <r12a> grr
15:04:05 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
15:04:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see andrewc, fsasaki (muted), aphillip, Norbert, koji, matial (muted)
15:04:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see matial, Norbert, fsasaki, koji, andrewc, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
15:04:26 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:04:26 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:04:28 <Zakim> +Richard
15:04:45 <r12a> i'm here, finally
15:07:09 <aphillip> Regrets: David, Aharon
15:07:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:08:26 <aphillip> agenda+ BOM in HTML
15:08:35 <aphillip> agenda+ bidi discussion
15:09:09 <aphillip>  Topic: Action Items
15:09:24 <Norbert> zakim, please mute me
15:09:26 <Zakim> Norbert should now be muted
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15:10:29 <aphillip> koji: discussion with K-san, should invite them to work at w3c
15:10:57 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:11:46 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to Korean folks and ask them to consider bringing work to our activity
15:11:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Write to Korean folks and ask them to consider bringing work to our activity [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-09-26].
15:12:27 <aphillip> richard: can use a task force, don't need to worry so much about member fees and such
15:12:43 <aphillip> ... and addison should invite in his official capacity
15:13:07 <aphillip> close ACTION-109
15:13:08 <trackbot> ACTION-109 Check about Korean layout task force closed
15:13:49 <aphillip> ACTION-139: updated document but not completed just yet
15:13:49 <trackbot> ACTION-139 Update qa-byte-order-mark document targetting end-of-August for review notes added
15:14:05 <aphillip> Prepare some examples of ITS2NIF showing NFC issue for consideration next week
15:14:24 <aphillip> ACTION-145: set date to mid-october
15:14:24 <trackbot> ACTION-145 Prepare some examples of ITS2NIF showing NFC issue for consideration next week notes added
15:15:07 <Norbert> zakim, unmute me
15:15:07 <Zakim> Norbert should no longer be muted
15:15:08 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:15:27 <aphillip> Norbert: yesterday TC39 approved ECMAScript i18n API
15:15:37 <aphillip> ... and sent to general assembly
15:15:41 <aphillip> ... final standard soon!
15:16:22 <aphillip> (richard forced to share something)
15:16:39 <aphillip> richard: re-write line-break tests, made some fixes on line-break normal
15:16:55 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2012/08/30/new-tests-line-breaks-in-css3-text/
15:16:59 <aphillip> Topic: BOM in HTML
15:17:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:17:13 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/new/qa-byte-order-mark-new.en.php
15:18:09 <aphillip> richard: started re-working document
15:18:17 <aphillip> ... taking onboard some feedback from Leif
15:18:27 <aphillip> ... he'd favor encouraging the BOM all the time
15:18:34 <aphillip> ... I'm not so sure
15:18:42 <aphillip> ... but it no longer hurts so much
15:18:53 <aphillip> richrad: started reworking the "display issues" document related to this one
15:19:07 <aphillip> ... and so this article combines the two together
15:19:21 <aphillip> ... what do I need to know? potential issues? etc.
15:19:29 <aphillip> ... could use help on potential issues
15:19:39 <aphillip> ... these things are "fading gently away"
15:20:02 <aphillip> richard: but tend to be edge cases nowadays
15:20:11 <aphillip> s/richrad/richard/
15:21:40 <aphillip> andrewc: many pages made of multiple files
15:21:47 <aphillip> ... what happens when put together on the fly?
15:25:37 <aphillip> richard: text will continue to change a bit
15:25:47 <aphillip> ... potential issues with utf-8 bom: please send recommendations
15:26:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:32:55 <aphillip> richard: read through as initial draft and send me comments
15:33:06 <aphillip> ... not so much editorial comments
15:33:46 <aphillip> norbert: only at end mentioning utf-32
15:34:20 <aphillip> ... so mention 16/32 early
15:34:29 <aphillip> ... and then talk about use as a signature for 8
15:34:32 <aphillip> ... and flow from there
15:34:52 <matial> Sorry, but my phone connection is down and refuses to be come alive again.
15:35:02 <aphillip> Topic: HTML5 comments
15:35:19 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16962
15:35:34 <aphillip> The I18N Core WG previously resolved that we did not agree with Ian's comments on or closing of 17857 and we don't agree with closing this item without addressing it. Please reconsider this bug.
15:36:44 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16960
15:36:57 <aphillip> The I18N WG would like you to consider several ways of addressing the issues raised by the 'local date and time' microsyntax.   One way of addressing it would be to define it in terms of a floating time value, although floating times are usually either a date (with no hour/minute/second value) representing an event such as a birthdate that is not ties to a specific time zone or to a time (with no day/month/year) which can be interpreted as a local wall time i
15:38:48 <aphillip> norbert: need to make a proposal for how to integrate IANA time zones to HTML
15:39:34 <aphillip> ... provide an element or attribute for time zone
15:39:43 <aphillip> ... 8601 doesn't provide for time zone
15:40:29 <aphillip> ACTION: Norbert: draft a proposal for adding time zone IDs to HTML5
15:40:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Draft a proposal for adding time zone IDs to HTML5 [on Norbert Lindenberg - due 2012-09-26].
15:42:14 <aphillip> addison: think 16960 should define relationship of local time to the "world of time"
15:43:58 <aphillip> richard: have a list of issues that we should review
15:44:19 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: review list of HTML5 issues and publish a summary
15:44:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-150 - Review list of HTML5 issues and publish a summary [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-09-26].
15:45:49 <aphillip> addison: perhaps glance at timed text's new document
15:45:57 <aphillip> richard: have quite a few html5 prep issues
15:46:02 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/open?sort=product
15:46:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:49:16 <aphillip> addison: will review the .prep issues as part of making a summary
15:50:16 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:50:46 <aphillip> richard: koji, when doing line-break tests...
15:50:55 <aphillip> ... (looks for a link)
15:51:03 <koji> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/#line-break
15:51:20 <aphillip> richard: in that section, here are the line break properties
15:51:25 <aphillip> ... strict, loose, normal
15:51:50 <aphillip> ... and "here are some characters in Japanese" that should be treated in a particular way
15:51:58 <aphillip> ... not in the list are parens and ideographic full stop
15:52:13 <aphillip> ... this list is only the ones that have special cases?
15:52:22 <aphillip> koji: yes, this is only the exceptions
15:52:47 <aphillip> richard: maybe insert a comment to that effect to make it clear
15:53:05 <aphillip> koji: will discuss with fantasai
15:53:41 <Zakim> -Norbert
15:53:43 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:53:44 <Zakim> -koji
15:53:47 <Zakim> -andrewc
15:53:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:54:24 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Norbert, Andrew, Felix, Mati, Koji
15:54:30 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:54:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:54:42 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:54:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see fsasaki (muted), Richard, matial (muted)
15:54:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, koji, andrewc, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
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16:02:50 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:02:52 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:02:54 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were fsasaki, aphillip, Richard.a, andrewc, +1.415.283.aaaa, Norbert, koji, matial, Richard
16:02:56 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:02:56 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:02:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to Korean folks and ask them to consider bringing work to our activity [1]
16:02:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-irc#T15-11-46
16:02:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Norbert: draft a proposal for adding time zone IDs to HTML5 [2]
16:02:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-irc#T15-40-29
16:02:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: review list of HTML5 issues and publish a summary [3]
16:02:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-i18n-irc#T15-44-19