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13:10:20 <jo> rrsagent this will be core mob 2012-09-19
13:10:38 <jo> meeting: Coremob 2012-09-19
13:10:43 <jo> chair: jo
13:10:48 <jo> scribe: jo
13:10:53 <jo> present+ jo
13:11:03 <tobie> present+ tobie
13:11:03 <Andrew_Betts> present+ Andrew
13:11:07 <gmandyam> [resent+ gmandyam
13:11:12 <gmandyam> present+ gmandyam
13:11:17 <Dong-Young_Lee> Present+ Dong-Young_Lee
13:11:27 <jo> rrsagent pointer?
13:11:43 <jo> rrsagent draft minutes
13:11:48 <dan> present+dan
13:12:08 <jo> rrsagent: draft minutes
13:12:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-coremob-minutes.html jo
13:12:27 <jo> rrsagent: make logs public
13:13:43 <jo> Jo: want to cover two things, mainly tobie report on document editing and also F2F prep contributions to agenda etc.
13:15:49 <jo> [discussion about FB's approach to HTML5 - decided to hold on list as not strictly in scope of the meeting]
13:15:59 <jo> Topic: Report from Tobie
13:17:09 <jo> tobie: been busy on [other things] not much progress on the spec work, but close to a point where the feature set is pretty much frozen and the question is about the completeness of the spec we choose wrt a dta we still have to set at which we want to publish or make final core mob spec
13:17:28 <jo> suggest I carry on working and refining the issues and talking to the relevant groups and getting them on track
13:18:18 <jo> by the F2F we decide on a date on which we want to release core mob spec and list all specs that are at risk of not being includable by that point
13:18:50 <jo> also want to add the question - depending on what that looks like by then - should we release early with fewer features or later with more? 
13:18:59 <jo> I have my own views on that
13:19:24 <jo> jo: tobie is the question you ask for discussion now
13:19:41 <jo> tobie: better at the F2F, mostly what we feel we want to have done to feel successful
13:20:01 <jo> should discuss on 2nd day of F2F
13:20:10 <jo> jo: want to have moved on the framework
13:20:28 <jo> tobie: good thing discuss what we want by set date (irrespective of what day it is on)
13:21:12 <jo> dansun: target is to release by end of 2102?
13:21:24 <jo> jo: preferably a lot before
13:21:36 <tobie> s/2102/2012/
13:22:35 <jo> tobie: when you want the final spec to be done? all part of the same discussion. Feature set is frozen, the question is can we point to stuff that doesn't exist, mostly the answer is "no"
13:22:54 <jo> tobie: so the discussion is hold we wait to get more more features
13:23:02 <jo> jo: set a date is my view
13:23:18 <jo> tobie: set a date and aim for it and know that features are not ready get lost
13:23:35 <jo> need to decide which specs are at risk and what can get done in other working groups by then
13:24:03 <jo> dansun: agree with tobie, not get lost but not included in 2012
13:24:06 <jo> tobie:
13:24:33 <jo> tobie: yup, goes into 2012 - but we need to have enough for 2012 to make it worth attaining
13:24:55 <jo> jo: plus we note features that we wanted but had to get chopped in 2012 I suggest
13:25:13 <Josh_Soref> prsent+ Josh_Soref 
13:25:21 <Josh_Soref> s/prsent/present/
13:25:23 <jo> jo: need to continue this discussion for F2F, one for the agenda, definitely
13:25:33 <jo> josh: I was on vacation
13:25:46 <jo> jo: breathes sigh of relief that the proper scribe has appeared
13:25:52 <Josh_Soref> Scribe: Josh_Soref 
13:26:02 <Josh_Soref> s/[resent+ gmandyam//
13:26:14 <jo> topic: F2F
13:26:17 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, start meeting
13:26:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 25
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13:26:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
13:26:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
13:26:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Core Mobile Web Platform Community Group Teleconference
13:26:22 <trackbot> Date: 19 September 2012
13:26:37 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:26:42 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:26:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-coremob-minutes.html Josh_Soref
13:27:45 <Josh_Soref> s/rrsagent pointer?//
13:27:54 <Josh_Soref> Topic: F2F Planning + Agenda
13:28:02 <Josh_Soref> jo: we have 15 registered attendees
13:28:09 <Josh_Soref> s/rrsagent draft minutes//
13:28:14 <Josh_Soref> s/rrsagent: draft minutes//
13:28:20 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:28:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-coremob-minutes.html Josh_Soref
13:28:52 <jo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/52857/CoremobF2FLondon20120802/
13:29:09 <tobie> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/52857/CoremobF2FLondon20120802/results
13:29:30 <Josh_Soref> jo: if you haven't registered, please register
13:29:52 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: if you aren't going, you can still reply indicating you won't attend
13:30:03 <Josh_Soref> jo: the plan... for the meeting
13:30:08 <Josh_Soref> ... is pretty much the same agenda
13:30:13 <Josh_Soref> ... discuss the document on day 1
13:30:18 <Josh_Soref> ... discuss testing on day 2
13:30:28 <Josh_Soref> ... with the proviso, that there shouldn't be as much to discuss on the document
13:30:37 <Josh_Soref> ... as tobie should have it closer to where it should be
13:30:46 <Josh_Soref> ... so i anticipate more discussion on testing
13:31:10 <Josh_Soref> jo: Document, Test Framework, Tests
13:31:25 <Josh_Soref> ... Cars and Roads are different
13:31:41 <Josh_Soref> ... the test runner (roads) and what it runs (cars) are different
13:32:27 <Josh_Soref> ... anyone have things to add to the agenda?
13:32:37 <Josh_Soref> tobie: tied to this is when to add things for the next spec
13:32:44 <Josh_Soref> ... and when to release it
13:32:47 <Josh_Soref> ... 2013?
13:32:53 <Josh_Soref> ... wrt Testing/Test stuff
13:33:03 <jo> [tis relates to ISSUE-34]
13:33:07 <Josh_Soref> s/tis/this/
13:33:10 <jo> s/tis/this/
13:33:31 <Josh_Soref> ... i'd like to hear from people who have tests to know if they have plans to open source/donate their tests to w3c
13:35:21 <Josh_Soref> tobie: i'm happy to talk about TestTheWebForward
13:35:37 <Josh_Soref> jo: i'll add an agenda item for Other Initiatives that are complementary to our work
13:35:43 <Josh_Soref> ... and how we can build on them
13:36:12 <Josh_Soref> Topic: AOB
13:37:00 <Josh_Soref> XXX: do we want to talk about Facebook's approach to testing?
13:37:04 <dan> Dan
13:37:10 <Josh_Soref> s/XXX/Dan/
13:37:23 <Josh_Soref> jo: generally speaking, people asking about member companies activities
13:37:29 <Josh_Soref> ... is relevant up to a point
13:37:42 <Josh_Soref> ... what Facebook does with HTML5 may be relevant
13:38:01 <Josh_Soref> ... we can have a formal discussion about Facebook's position if it's relevant to an issue raised in the WG
13:38:08 <Josh_Soref> [ this is a CG not a WG ]
13:38:24 <Josh_Soref> jo: we can have an informal discussion about things beyond that
13:39:01 <Josh_Soref> jo: Facebook describing interesting issues it has had using the Web as we know it, provides input to the WG
13:39:18 <Josh_Soref> ... WG in the loosest possible sense
13:39:48 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't want us to have "why did you guys do this? why did you guys do that?"
13:39:55 <Josh_Soref> ... i think having it on the list is better
13:40:05 <Josh_Soref> ... and i don't want anyone to feel it's "open season" on any member
13:40:22 <Josh_Soref> ... but if Facebook wants to describe things it has experienced within scope, that's ok
13:40:28 <Josh_Soref> tobie: i'm happy to discuss that
13:41:01 <Josh_Soref> dan: i saw a W3C Perf Workshop hosted by Google in November (7th?)
13:41:13 <Josh_Soref> ... i'm not sure if it's related to Facebook's news item
13:41:33 <Josh_Soref> tobie: i can't answer that, you should ask the web perf wg chair
13:41:48 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll probably try to go there
13:42:23 <Josh_Soref> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2012Aug/0020.html
13:42:37 <Josh_Soref> tobie: my understanding is that the Web Perf WG is rechartering soon
13:42:44 <Josh_Soref> ... they have carriers expressing some interest
13:42:52 <Josh_Soref> ... so they're trying to find areas to work on
13:43:27 <Josh_Soref> jo: i'll send a more precise agenda to the list shortly
13:43:30 <Josh_Soref> ... thanks all
13:43:34 <Josh_Soref> [ Adjourned ]
13:43:45 <jo> with many thanks to FT for hosting the audio
13:43:48 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
13:43:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:43:48 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:43:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:43:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/19-coremob-minutes.html trackbot
13:43:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:43:57 <RRSAgent> I see no action items